Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8444 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9366 times:
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1): I always thought it was a joke the way they would put the smokers in the back of the airplane. Like there was an invisible wall that would magically keep the smoke in that part of the airplane.
better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 64 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9339 times:
I haven't been on a plane in maybe 10 years or more where you could smoke. In the late 80's California banned smoking on all flights within the state, around the same time there was a ban on smoking on U.S. flights under 2 hours. That was later extended to flights under 6 hours and now a full ban. I believe it was NW that did a smoking ban for domestic flights ahead of the 6-hour ban, and I think DL did the first systemwide ban.
Occasionally a flight longer than 2 hours would go out all non-smoking before the 6-hour ban if there weren't enough seats in the section reserved for non-smokers, since anyone requesting a non-smoking seat had to be accomodated. It was just easier for the airline to make the flight all non-smoking rather than reseat a couple rows of passengers to extend the non-smoking section.
In the waning years of smoking on planes, the only thing I objected to was non-smokers reserving a smoking seat in a small first class cabin to forcibly reduce the numbers of smoking seats. This happened a few times to me on CO where a DC-9 had only two rows of first, and both times the crew asked the non-smoking couple to move to the first row so smokers could sit in their seats.
I am amused by reports I read that smoking bans haven't appreciably improved cabin air quality, that supposedly is regulated more by the quality of the air filtering and proportion of fresh air in the mix.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9311 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3): I am amused by reports I read that smoking bans haven't appreciably improved cabin air quality, that supposedly is regulated more by the quality of the air filtering and proportion of fresh air in the mix.
I too have read such reports and find it highly amusing.....in the days when they permitted smoking on board, inevitably, after even a 5-6 hours flight, you would notice that your clothes would be carrying a smell of cigarette smoke....I personally used to encounter stinging sensations in the eyes and redness too.....none of these things happen these days....
Must say that the jerks who publish such reports are on the payroll of the tobacco lobby somewhere.....
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2133 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9303 times:
When smoking went to the back half of the cabins it became quite noticeable how much crud was in the air....all you had to do was look at the sidewalls on a 727-200 and see them turn progressively darker and darker yellow/brown as they went towards the rear. Course the advantage of smoking on the aircraft is that your taste buds were numb and that's why everyone thought the food was better back then...just kidding!!
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9281 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 6): Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)
You didn't have to go to Russia. Lufthansa used to do the same!
Whichever way they did it, either the Russian / LH way, or dumping all the 'chimneys' to the back of the aircraft, the smoke just used to get around to wherever you may have been sitting in the plane.....the best solution was to ban it altogether.....
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 64 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9252 times:
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4): Must say that the jerks who publish such reports are on the payroll of the tobacco lobby somewhere.
Far be it from me to expect level-headed discussion on a.net.
The one thing that's never really brought up when this issue arises are the sheer number of pollutants you breathe in just sitting on the taxiway waiting your turn to get into the air. I've sat on planes parked behind 747's belching out so many fumes that I thought I'd get fresher air by hooking up a tube to the exhaust from a diesel city bus.
The truth is that air on aircraft is inherently bad, and is worse than it needs to be due to decisions of airlines and aircraft makers. Address all the problems, not just one of them.
Rongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9220 times:
Whatever rationalisations people might make about air quality the simple fact for me is that in the days of smoking being allowed every time I flew it triggered an asthma attack. I've never had one on a no smoking flight.
And - yes - the same goes for smoking and non smoking restaurants.
Thje only difference that non-smoking sections of planes made to me was to reduce the severity of the attack. I was often confronted with the advice that there were no seats left in the non-smoking section. They always found one when I described what the FAs and my fellow passengers would have to deal with. After awhile my FF airlines (UA QF and NZ) learned to assign me aseat as far away from the smokers as possible at the time I made the booking.
Wdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9071 times:
Myself, I believe smoking is horrible to do on aircraft.... but it did save one guys life who was on that air florida crash in New York, it was because he wanted a smoking seat that he was seated at the back of the aircraft which is where the people who survived the crash were located.
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9066 times:
I remember those days. I still smoke, but I can handle a flight without lighting up, but you know, it'd be nice if they gave us smokers a place in an AIRPORT where we might light up prior to boarding. Too many places, you have to go outside the security area, have a smoke, and then reclear security.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9037 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8): The truth is that air on aircraft is inherently bad, and is worse than it needs to be due to decisions of airlines and aircraft makers. Address all the problems, not just one of them.
Yes, but why not stamp out the one immediately controllable and harmful source of pollution onboard...what's wrong with that??
And I still maintain that the nuts who said that banning smoking has not made a significant difference to the air quality onboard are probably on the payroll of the tobacco lobby....they (the lobby) have been known to do much worse things to protect their interests.....
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8): Far be it from me to expect level-headed discussion on a.net.
Well, this is a forum to express one's personal opinions on aviation related subjects, right.....opinions are opnions and whether they are level headed or not is just a perception....
Brink777 From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9037 times:
a smokers gally would be cool i said it a long time ago on a smoking thread especially on flights over 4 hr it is hell if your a smoker not to able to light up
in that amount of time in flight.
maybe they could come up with an idea on the A380 since the plane is so big
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying
as long as the health freaks shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keego From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9020 times:
Quoting Brink777 (Reply 19): a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying
That would be a very good idea. Here in Ireland there is a complete blanket ban in smoking in public places ie pubs, restaurants etc and they dont even allow smoking rooms. It would be horror for a smoker on a 10hr flight not being able to light up!!!
Afay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8917 times:
Aeroflot in no way allows smoking on domestic flights since at least 2002. It is true that people will occasionally smoke and nothing is done about it, especially in the lavatories, but official policy is that it is not allowed. This goes for Pulkovo and S7 as well.
Gritzngravee From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8898 times:
I flew on Air Europa from Fiumicino to Barajas during the summer of 2002. My friend sat in the back and didn't know there was smoking allowed he has asthma and suffered big time, if I had known before we left the gate I would've switched seats but the entire cabin filled up so it really made no difference.
25 NWADC9: 1997 Northwest 747-100 GMP (Then SEL)-NRT. We were non-reving, and the flight was almost full, but since I was only a little 6-year-old stuck with a b
26 Nzrich: Same here in New Zealand ..All Indoors public and work areas must be Non Smoking ..Its great ..Even when i used to smoke i always requested a non smo
27 IRelayer: Some airlines to add to the list: Cubana, Iran Air, and Garuda still allow smoking...I believe MEA does as well. -IR
28 Leskova: Oh lord... threads that start like this one somehow make me feel old... In my case, the last flight on which smoking was allowed - and I, a nonsmoker,
29 Keego: its great I dont mind smoke at all, but I wont complain (pardon the pun) about it being banned from planes, or anywhere as a matter of fact
30 Jacobin777: Smoking was allowed on EK upto and including 2000! My cousin smokes and we would go to the back of the plane and chat with a bunch of smokers.........
31 EMBQA: Not in 1989 they where not... I'm sure MSP to ORD is less then 2 hours... plus Delta was first to stop all smoking... but I forgot when in the mid '8
32 Lightsaber: A quick google finds that second hand smoke is responsible for 85%+ of harmfull pollutants. I "googled": inflight cabin pollutants smoking 1st link:
33 LTBEWR: Probably the last flights where had a choice of smoking or non-smoking was in the early 1990's. The USA banned smoking on at first most flights within
34 Sabena332: Sure, October 2004. Two buddies and I flew DTM-PMI on Air Berlin, we sat in the second last row and smoked like there is no tomorrow. When we flew ba
35 AeroWesty: yourself. That's why I said I was "amused" by those claims. Again, I've never stated that smoking shouldn't have been banned from aircraft, but it's
36 Toulouse: Yeah I sure remember sitting down the back of those old and beloved Iberia 727's... some flights, especially between Dublin and Spain in the summer wi
37 Willyj: Air France had something similar to this back in 1997. The flight attendants used to get sort of angry as the smoking area was right next to the gall
38 Brink777: one more thing and i got to go to work im sure the health freaks will be happy that im leaving and this is to all you health freaks think of the air t
39 Keego: The clean air to smoke ratio is much greater outside than it is inside. no matter how bad the air outside is its still better than the air in a smoke
40 Gritzngravee: Everyone profits from peoples vices and addictions: drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, television, plastic surgery, shopping (credit card debt is GINORMOU
41 TheFlyGuy2: EMBQA: Sorry, I was wrong, I actually took my first flight in January of 1988. This was just before the smoking ban went into effect on flight less th
42 Highpeaklad: I'm correcting you, Air China does not allow smoking anymore Chris