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Smoking On Airplanes!  
User currently offlineTheFlyGuy2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9973 times:

Hi All,

Does anyone remember when smoking was allowed on airplanes?

Any Memories?

All you Flight Attendants- Memories?

My first flight was on a Delta Flight from MSP-ORD, and people were smoking!

This was in January, 1989, I was four.

Thanks

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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

I always thought it was a joke the way they would put the smokers in the back of the airplane. Like there was an invisible wall that would magically keep the smoke in that part of the airplane.

Mark


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9955 times:
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Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
I always thought it was a joke the way they would put the smokers in the back of the airplane. Like there was an invisible wall that would magically keep the smoke in that part of the airplane.

better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

I haven't been on a plane in maybe 10 years or more where you could smoke. In the late 80's California banned smoking on all flights within the state, around the same time there was a ban on smoking on U.S. flights under 2 hours. That was later extended to flights under 6 hours and now a full ban. I believe it was NW that did a smoking ban for domestic flights ahead of the 6-hour ban, and I think DL did the first systemwide ban.

Occasionally a flight longer than 2 hours would go out all non-smoking before the 6-hour ban if there weren't enough seats in the section reserved for non-smokers, since anyone requesting a non-smoking seat had to be accomodated. It was just easier for the airline to make the flight all non-smoking rather than reseat a couple rows of passengers to extend the non-smoking section.

In the waning years of smoking on planes, the only thing I objected to was non-smokers reserving a smoking seat in a small first class cabin to forcibly reduce the numbers of smoking seats. This happened a few times to me on CO where a DC-9 had only two rows of first, and both times the crew asked the non-smoking couple to move to the first row so smokers could sit in their seats.

I am amused by reports I read that smoking bans haven't appreciably improved cabin air quality, that supposedly is regulated more by the quality of the air filtering and proportion of fresh air in the mix.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9900 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
I am amused by reports I read that smoking bans haven't appreciably improved cabin air quality, that supposedly is regulated more by the quality of the air filtering and proportion of fresh air in the mix.

I too have read such reports and find it highly amusing.....in the days when they permitted smoking on board, inevitably, after even a 5-6 hours flight, you would notice that your clothes would be carrying a smell of cigarette smoke....I personally used to encounter stinging sensations in the eyes and redness too.....none of these things happen these days....

Must say that the jerks who publish such reports are on the payroll of the tobacco lobby somewhere.....


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9892 times:

When smoking went to the back half of the cabins it became quite noticeable how much crud was in the air....all you had to do was look at the sidewalls on a 727-200 and see them turn progressively darker and darker yellow/brown as they went towards the rear. Course the advantage of smoking on the aircraft is that your taste buds were numb and that's why everyone thought the food was better back then...just kidding!!

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9879 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)

You didn't have to go to Russia. Lufthansa used to do the same!


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)

You didn't have to go to Russia. Lufthansa used to do the same!

Whichever way they did it, either the Russian / LH way, or dumping all the 'chimneys' to the back of the aircraft, the smoke just used to get around to wherever you may have been sitting in the plane.....the best solution was to ban it altogether.....


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9841 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4):
Must say that the jerks who publish such reports are on the payroll of the tobacco lobby somewhere.

Far be it from me to expect level-headed discussion on a.net.  Wink

The one thing that's never really brought up when this issue arises are the sheer number of pollutants you breathe in just sitting on the taxiway waiting your turn to get into the air. I've sat on planes parked behind 747's belching out so many fumes that I thought I'd get fresher air by hooking up a tube to the exhaust from a diesel city bus.

The truth is that air on aircraft is inherently bad, and is worse than it needs to be due to decisions of airlines and aircraft makers. Address all the problems, not just one of them.



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User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Whatever rationalisations people might make about air quality the simple fact for me is that in the days of smoking being allowed every time I flew it triggered an asthma attack. I've never had one on a no smoking flight.

And - yes - the same goes for smoking and non smoking restaurants.

Thje only difference that non-smoking sections of planes made to me was to reduce the severity of the attack. I was often confronted with the advice that there were no seats left in the non-smoking section. They always found one when I described what the FAs and my fellow passengers would have to deal with. After awhile my FF airlines (UA QF and NZ) learned to assign me aseat as far away from the smokers as possible at the time I made the booking.


User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9765 times:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, Air China still allows smoking!

User currently offlineMoparman From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 10):
Air China still allows smoking

So does Aeroflot on domestic flights. I flew Moscow to St. Petersburg a two years ago, and people were smoking onboard.



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User currently offlineXpat From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Back in 1999 MH allowed smoking, but only on flights to and from Tokyo. I found that rather interesting, amusing and extremely convenient.


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9691 times:
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I rememer a flight with OA two or three years ago. Smoke was allowed on a determinate rows and the first rows of Business Class.

Two: more african airliners as Air Ivoire, Aerocontractors, Air Burkina,... allows all its passengersa to smoke after take off and land.



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

Myself, I believe smoking is horrible to do on aircraft.... but it did save one guys life who was on that air florida crash in New York, it was because he wanted a smoking seat that he was seated at the back of the aircraft which is where the people who survived the crash were located.

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

I remember those days. I still smoke, but I can handle a flight without lighting up, but you know, it'd be nice if they gave us smokers a place in an AIRPORT where we might light up prior to boarding. Too many places, you have to go outside the security area, have a smoke, and then reclear security.

User currently offlineKeego From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

Aparrently some airlines in the middle east still allow smoking!!!

well so iv heard! does anyone know anyhing about this???


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The truth is that air on aircraft is inherently bad, and is worse than it needs to be due to decisions of airlines and aircraft makers. Address all the problems, not just one of them.

Yes, but why not stamp out the one immediately controllable and harmful source of pollution onboard...what's wrong with that??

And I still maintain that the nuts who said that banning smoking has not made a significant difference to the air quality onboard are probably on the payroll of the tobacco lobby....they (the lobby) have been known to do much worse things to protect their interests.....

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Far be it from me to expect level-headed discussion on a.net.

Well, this is a forum to express one's personal opinions on aviation related subjects, right.....opinions are opnions and whether they are level headed or not is just a perception....  smile 


User currently offlineBrink777 From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

a smokers gally would be cool i said it a long time ago on a smoking thread especially on flights over 4 hr it is hell if your a smoker not to able to light up
in that amount of time in flight.
maybe they could come up with an idea on the A380 since the plane is so big
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying
as long as the health freaks shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineKeego From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9609 times:

Quoting Brink777 (Reply 19):
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying

That would be a very good idea. Here in Ireland there is a complete blanket ban in smoking in public places ie pubs, restaurants etc and they dont even allow smoking rooms. It would be horror for a smoker on a 10hr flight not being able to light up!!!


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9609 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 17):
Yes, but why not stamp out the one immediately controllable and harmful source of pollution onboard...what's wrong with that??

You're more than welcome to copy/paste for us where I ever stated it was wrong to ban smoking on airplanes.

My point is that smoking is what is picked out of the basket of inflight pollutants, while the others are dismissed, even though they may be similarly controlled with little effort.

If you want cleaner air, why not go all the way?



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9609 times:

Quoting Brink777 (Reply 19):
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying
as long as the health freaks shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about somewhere down below the cabin floor, in an unpressurised and unheated cargo hold....? After all, you guys do argue that the fag warms you up..... Big grin  duck 


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9506 times:

Aeroflot in no way allows smoking on domestic flights since at least 2002. It is true that people will occasionally smoke and nothing is done about it, especially in the lavatories, but official policy is that it is not allowed. This goes for Pulkovo and S7 as well.

User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9506 times:
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Quoting Keego (Reply 20):
Here in Ireland there is a complete blanket ban in smoking in public places ie pubs, restaurants etc and they dont even allow smoking rooms.

And there's no harm in that! The smoking ban in Ireland is a great idea!


User currently offlineGritzngravee From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

I flew on Air Europa from Fiumicino to Barajas during the summer of 2002. My friend sat in the back and didn't know there was smoking allowed he has asthma and suffered big time, if I had known before we left the gate I would've switched seats but the entire cabin filled up so it really made no difference.

25 NWADC9 : 1997 Northwest 747-100 GMP (Then SEL)-NRT. We were non-reving, and the flight was almost full, but since I was only a little 6-year-old stuck with a b
26 Nzrich : Same here in New Zealand ..All Indoors public and work areas must be Non Smoking ..Its great ..Even when i used to smoke i always requested a non smo
27 IRelayer : Some airlines to add to the list: Cubana, Iran Air, and Garuda still allow smoking...I believe MEA does as well. -IR
28 Post contains images Leskova : Oh lord... threads that start like this one somehow make me feel old... In my case, the last flight on which smoking was allowed - and I, a nonsmoker,
29 Keego : its great I dont mind smoke at all, but I wont complain (pardon the pun) about it being banned from planes, or anywhere as a matter of fact
30 Jacobin777 : Smoking was allowed on EK upto and including 2000! My cousin smokes and we would go to the back of the plane and chat with a bunch of smokers.........
31 EMBQA : Not in 1989 they where not... I'm sure MSP to ORD is less then 2 hours... plus Delta was first to stop all smoking... but I forgot when in the mid '8
32 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : A quick google finds that second hand smoke is responsible for 85%+ of harmfull pollutants. I "googled": inflight cabin pollutants smoking 1st link:
33 LTBEWR : Probably the last flights where had a choice of smoking or non-smoking was in the early 1990's. The USA banned smoking on at first most flights within
34 Sabena332 : Sure, October 2004. Two buddies and I flew DTM-PMI on Air Berlin, we sat in the second last row and smoked like there is no tomorrow. When we flew ba
35 Post contains images AeroWesty : yourself. That's why I said I was "amused" by those claims. Again, I've never stated that smoking shouldn't have been banned from aircraft, but it's
36 Toulouse : Yeah I sure remember sitting down the back of those old and beloved Iberia 727's... some flights, especially between Dublin and Spain in the summer wi
37 Willyj : Air France had something similar to this back in 1997. The flight attendants used to get sort of angry as the smoking area was right next to the gall
38 Brink777 : one more thing and i got to go to work im sure the health freaks will be happy that im leaving and this is to all you health freaks think of the air t
39 Keego : The clean air to smoke ratio is much greater outside than it is inside. no matter how bad the air outside is its still better than the air in a smoke
40 Gritzngravee : Everyone profits from peoples vices and addictions: drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, television, plastic surgery, shopping (credit card debt is GINORMOU
41 TheFlyGuy2 : EMBQA: Sorry, I was wrong, I actually took my first flight in January of 1988. This was just before the smoking ban went into effect on flight less th
42 Highpeaklad : I'm correcting you, Air China does not allow smoking anymore Chris
43 EI787 : Thanks for clarifying that!
44 TheFlyGuy2 : 1988 ban went into effect April 23, 1988 1990 ban went into effect February (mid to late month), 1990.
45 Swissy : I smoke and I also drink, OK grow up in Europe and I remember these days free booze and smoking on the aircraft, do I miss that time? oh yessss Howeve
46 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Well...thanks for enlightening me .... but you know what I was referring to....amazing to see what lengths smokers will go to, to justify their love
47 ANother : IMHO, and as an ex-smoker, people that smoke do so because they are addicted. While they may say that they enjoy it, the opposite is likely to be more
48 HPLASOps : Why is it new aircraft (I mean 6-7 years or younger) that are not likely to ever leave the US (RJs, ERJs, 733s, 73Gs, A319s) still feature no smoking
49 FLALEFTY : All I know is that I flew for years in the 70's and 80's with people smoking on planes, and while it stunk, I'm still here.... But newer technology ai
50 Aeroflot777 : Incorrect. ALL SU flights are non-smoking. Some rude pax refuse to follow rules and fail to listen to F/A instructions. Aeroflot777
51 474218 : As a former smoker, I am glad I quit and think erveryone that wants to should quit too. However, I would much rather sit next to a smoker than someone
52 Petmbro : Did Japan do away with smoking? When my dad use to fly JFK-NRT on ANA he told me how the Japanese smoke like crazy and how the whole 742 use to look l
53 Tbear815 : If in need, chew Nicorette! Smoking does not belong in a closed, pointed object hurdling through space at 600 MPH. LOTS of water, relaxation technique
54 Post contains images SATX : Good question. Look how long it took to get rid of the 737's 'eyebrow' windows. Just because something isn't used doesn't mean the manufacturer will
55 Petmbro : On my last US flight from DCA-FLL I was on a brand-spankin new A319 and I noticed the no smoking sign was not there. The usual seatbelt sign is there
56 Superhub : CX banned smoking in all flights around 1993/94. I remember they banned smoking on certain routes like HKG-LHR before then. It usually happens on take
57 Djw030468 : I've flown both on Emirates, Kuwait Airways and MEA. NONE allow the disgusting habit onboard. Either on the ground or in the air.
58 Djw030468 : MEA does not allow smoking on any of it's flights. Either on the ground or airborne.
59 Flywithjohn : I was talking to my grand dad who remembers the days you smoke is cockpit on the DC-6. Then to the pan am 707 rolled in he quite
60 Leskova : I've noticed the same as Petmbro, but the sign has certainly been around for quite long after the bans went into effect in some areas... ... but not
61 777fan : I can remember smoking on UA's ORD-HNL nonstoppers back in the early to mid 80s. The old 747 UD was basically a smoking lounge (before they figured ou
62 Post contains images HAWK21M : I remember the Nicotine stains on the Air Filters during Mx. Nicotine smoke residue used to help in troubleshooting then. regds MEL
63 Post contains images Marambio : Nah, you get used to it. I tend to fly from Argentina to Europe quite often (the shortest flight is +12 hours) and I simply got used to not smoking o
64 Jhooper : I don't remember when the first time I flew was, but I guess I was a newborn. I remember when smoking was allowed, and looking back, I can't believe i
65 Mandala499 : Smoked in a 732 carrying pax last week... *hides in cockpit* Mandala499
66 Viv : I am a health freak - and I will NEVER shut up.
67 SparkingWave : I remember that in 1996 I took an AF flight from LAX to CDG. It was a 747-400. I remember in particular they had a special section just for smokers. I
68 Post contains images Dj737 : Hi there I am a smoker and used to remember when smoking was permitted on the major airlines, I can get thru a flight without smoking OK, but i get th
69 YukonTrader : Yup guys, that discussion recalls - mostly unpleasant - memories like that stench of cold tobacco you could hardly get rid of, or of ending up in the
70 WF2BNN : Pilots on Nouvelair, Tunisia smokes all the time during flights. Cabin crew also goes in to the flightdeck to have a puff. I know this because I used
71 Post contains images Starlionblue : There's always smokeless tobacco. The Nordic "snus" bothers no one unless the snuser breathes right in another person's face. And it's been damnably h
72 Manu : Here too in Canada, which I love. I was just in europe and dispised the smokers in areas, as they stunk up the place. I was amazed at the yellow in L
73 Post contains links and images David L : Um... no. I'm not going to condone smoking on aircraft but let's not misplace any blame. Is this the Saudi incident you mean? http://aviation-safety.
74 Petmbro : When smoking was allowed did pilots smoke too?
75 Swissy : [quote=Petmbro,reply=74]When smoking was allowed did pilots smoke too? Sure they did just like everyone else, some pilots still do, the good old 1011
76 777jaah : I remember flying AV BOG-UIO in a 757. I'm a very unusual smoker, but the last rows of Y class were smoking, no separation at all from the rest of the
77 Mandala499 : When smoking was allowed did pilots smoke too? On that flight? Yes... if pax smokes in the cockpit on cockpit visits it should be with the Captain's p
78 Underminer : A non smoking policy was applied from Olympic Airways on April 15th 2001, almost 5 years ago...
79 Cedarjet : Wrong, the fire started because of leaking hydraulic fuel. That accident was in 1980, two decades before smoking in the air started to be banned. Smo
80 Post contains images Sabena332 : That is the worse that can happen to you as a smoker, a non-smoking cockpit crew. Some dude who once sat in a jumpseat next to me said: "Actually do
81 Post contains images Santosdumont : Thanks for making us feel like old geezers I remember I took an IB flight from MAD to JFK in the late 1970s and even the flight attendants fired up c
82 WDBRR : When I worked in reseravations in the late 80's, I used have to ask if they wanted smoking or non-smoking for seat assignments. I think it changed in
83 Poitin : Agree! If you want to kill yourself, that is fine, but don't force me to breath your smoke as well.
84 Post contains links SparkingWave : Thanks for the correction. However, I'll still stand by what I said about smoking danger - there is documented proof of someone who died inflight fro
85 Post contains links SparkingWave : Here's another stat: http://www.smoking-cessation.org/quit_smoking_guide_4.asp Begin quote: On December 24, 1983, a fire caused by a passenger¡¯s ci
86 Boeingguy1 : Heres a true story: When I was visiting NYC in 2003, heading out to Long Island on the LIRR, a man was being very loud on his phone. Someone yelled a
87 Brink777 : good for you will live forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cheers
88 Post contains images Starlionblue : Well, first of all doing it on the LIRR isn't really conducive to a long life Also, I tend to ask very politely, not yell. There is no point respondi
89 N1120A : Many newer planes now have a "no cell phones" or "no electronic devices" sign in place of the smoking sign That case cost OA a $2 million USD judgmen
90 Brink777 : it might not be banned forever you never know never say never airlines might come up with smoking flights for smokers only or a smokers gally hopeful
91 Gr8Circle : Yes!!
92 Brink777 : i miss the good old days
93 Tommy767 : I remember my dad telling me about how he flew to london for business JFK-LHR and it was a smoking flight but ONLY in first class. He remembers how ba
94 Wdleiser : For those preaching about the number of deaths each day from smoking ciggarettes Tell me how many people die each day in car crashes please. I think i
95 Brink777 : I just added you to my resp list!!!!!!!!
96 Max999 : Not a very good analogy. Many car crashes are unpreventable...that's why they're called accidents. However, all smoking-related deaths are preventabl
97 Delta767300ER : ATL has several designated smoking lounges in the concourses. I hate smoking and support no smoking on a/c but I agree that ALL airports need designa
98 Starlionblue : I don't smoke and I dislike smoking passively. But I agree that smokeless tobacco doesn't bother anyone else. So why ban it? Then again, you won't ha
99 Andaman : Actually selling smokeless tobacco (can it be called snuff, the stuff you put under your upper lip?) is prohibitted in EU, because of the mouth cancer
100 Starlionblue : Snus is not snuff. Snus is closer to what some Americans call "tobacco dip". Snuff is stuff you sniff. You are correct about the prohibition. Ironica
101 Andaman : So their sell "snus" is Norway, as it's not in the European Union? I know it's quite common habbit in Finland too in some circles, especially in the s
102 Jafa39 : I remember being on "smoking" flights in the early 90's, I would sit in smoking if better seats were available.
103 Starlionblue : It's a Swedish/Norwegian thing. Frankly, I find the EU ban totally baffling. While it's not proven that snus has no health effects, it is proven that
104 Post contains images Gr8Circle : In case you've not noticed, the entire automobile industry, the law enforcement authorities, etc. are working day and night to introduce new technolo
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