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NWA F/A's In Asia... Protected?  
User currently offlineRedneckslim From Congo (Brazzaville), joined Sep 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

I have some truly wonderful friends in Manila who are working for NWA and supporting big families on tiny paychecks, in the event of a work stoppage will the Manila people be protected? Do they have a union and a strike fund?, I sure hope so.

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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Only depends on if they are union thru PFAA or not. If they are locals then they may not be protected.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
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Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1):
Only depends on if they are union thru PFAA or not. If they are locals then they may not be protected.

No, the Pacific Division FA's aren't part of the US Seniority system, and aren't protected by the PFAA, which is coincidental, since neither are we apparently, the US based FA's.



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User currently offlineRedneckslim From Congo (Brazzaville), joined Sep 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

So these folks are just at the whim of the wind? no security or representation? and it takes 11.000 applicants all with undergrad degrees to turn out that one diamond who gets awarded this shakey job.... Thank God we live in Americia is guess.

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Yes but if NW gets their way the MNL base will do almost all intl flights..like SEA-AMS ect....

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
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Quoting COSPN (Reply 4):
Yes but if NW gets their way the MNL base will do almost all intl flights..like SEA-AMS ect....

It probabaly won't be MNL-based FA's. NW is looking to use outside companies to provide staff in NWA uniforms instead of them actually being NWA employees. The company will likely hire all of it's staff out of China. As for the Europe-US flight's, those would be staffed from India.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
NW is looking to use outside companies to provide staff in NWA uniforms instead of them actually being NWA employees. The company will likely hire all of it's staff out of China. As for the Europe-US flight's, those would be staffed from India.

Where did you get all that excellent information that no one else seems to know?


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

I can belive it Outsource even the lower paid MNL Employees...WOW gotta hand it to NW....where will it end ????

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
Where did you get all that excellent information that no one else seems to know?

JetJack74 is a FA for NW based out of DTW!



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
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Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
NW is looking to use outside companies to provide staff in NWA uniforms instead of them actually being NWA employees. The company will likely hire all of it's staff out of China. As for the Europe-US flight's, those would be staffed from India.

Delta already does this for their MAA-based FAs; they use an Indian contracting company for these FAs who only fly DL's MAA-CDG-MAA flights. DL's BOM-base however has FAs who work directly for DL. Ironically, these BOM FAs are actually represented by a union, whereas DL's US-based FAs are not...


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
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Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
Where did you get all that excellent information that no one else seems to know?

On the 9 day DTW-NRT-MNL-NGO-MNL-NRT-PVG-DTW pattern I got off of 3 days ago. The Shanghai-based FA's are not NWA employees, they wear the the same FA uniforms, ID badges, and wings, but they are not employed by NWA. They're from an outside company. This is an experiment, i'm told by Cindy Wu, the director of In-flight Services, Pacific Division, to see if this works. If it does, than all of the Pacific Division will be replaced by these people, on most of (70%)the Interport, Beach and Japan Gateways-CONUS routes. The company is also looking to do this from 100% AMS-India, and 70% from Europe-CONUS. The company tried to do this on the trunk domestic routes too, but the DHS put brakes on that apparently, according to Pat Friend, AFA-CWA president.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):
JetJack74 is a FA for NW based out of DTW!

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Quoting COSPN (Reply 7):
I can belive it Outsource even the lower paid MNL Employees...WOW gotta hand it to NW....where will it end ????

Good question, i've been here 11 years, and thought I was safe, secure in the job that I enjoy so much, but now even the Pacific-based crews aren't even safe. They're somewhat happy now because they're getting some seniority when bidding, but they're unaware of what's coming down the pike. I told them what Cindy Wu told me, and they kinda laughed it off, (they believe the high marks that they get will save them). I told them, "you don't know what they're in for, this is NWA".



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting Redneckslim (Thread starter):
will the Manila people be protected?

Protected in what way? What do you mean?



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):
JetJack74 is a FA for NW based out of DTW!

How is he able to get the inside info on the negotiations that others don't get? While he appears to be very knowledgeable, JetJack74 is not the only NW employee on this board.


User currently offlineNWAskyteam From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

hmmm, wow JetJack seems to be privvy to alot of info....

Before you go insulting PFAA and their efforts, they are out to protect the US positions as they have been told to do by its members. If you read the website and negotiations updates and the court proceedings, you'd see this.

The company would surely like to outsource flying to make it cheaper on Europe and Asia roots, but can't unless the union allows it. They have stated clearly many times they won't let that happen as long as the membership states that it is not what they want. Pat Friend and company want one thing from us.....$$$$$....because their membership ranks have diminished. Do you realize NW wants contracts equivalent to what UA or US has?....remember these low wage contracts were negotiated by AFA.

Even if people vote to bring in AFA, it won't change unless we vote new people into our local offices. Isn't it funny how alot of the same PFAA reps were former Teamster reps? All bringing in AFA would do would mean a greater dilution of our funds to an international. The grass is not always greener.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1966 times:
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Quoting NWAskyteam (Reply 13):
Before you go insulting PFAA and their efforts, they are out to protect the US positions as they have been told to do by its members. If you read the website and negotiations updates and the court proceedings, you'd see this.

Their actions have warrented insults, and the carelessness and wreckless abandonment in attempts to satisfy the company requirements at the expense of the members they claim to protect

Quoting NWAskyteam (Reply 13):
The company would surely like to outsource flying to make it cheaper on Europe and Asia roots, but can't unless the union allows it

Laughable, The company holds much more power than the PFAA, and Guy Meeks foolish and ego-prompted actions show it as clear as day.

Quoting NWAskyteam (Reply 13):
They have stated clearly many times they won't let that happen as long as the membership states that it is not what they want.

They've promised many things, and most of the promises have been reneged upon.

Quoting NWAskyteam (Reply 13):
Pat Friend and company want one thing from us.....$$$$$....because their membership ranks have diminished.

How? No flight attendant group split form AFA is the last 15+ years. Proof Skyteam.

Quoting NWAskyteam (Reply 13):
Do you realize NW wants contracts equivalent to what UA or US has?....remember these low wage contracts were negotiated by AFA.

They didn't give the farm away to UAL in it's negotiations, all of UA's furloughs were voluntary. We lost 667 in the first round.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22865 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 10):
The Shanghai-based FA's are not NWA employees, they wear the the same FA uniforms, ID badges, and wings, but they are not employed by NWA. They're from an outside company.



Wouldn't it be a real pain in the ass for NW to get the infrastructure in place to hire Chinese nationals in China? Seems logical to me to get an outside company to do it... Comparing that to outsourcing flights, trips, or portions thereof presently flown by US-based f/as seems like apples and oranges to me.



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