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United To Add 32 Additional Flights At DEN  
User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 939 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060214/unite..._airlines_denver_service.html?.v=1

Did I miss something? I can't believe that nobody has posted this yet.

Does anybody know the details. The article lists some of the cities but not all. I would also like to know when it is going to be loaded into the schedule.

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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5812 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Here's a few more. From the actual UA press release.
"In addition to its previously announced new service to Toronto, United and United Express® will increase frequencies to cities already served from Denver, including Boston, Baltimore, New York-La Guardia, Los Angeles, San Francisco and St. Louis, and many more. In addition, TedSM -- United's low-fare service -- will add one frequency each to Las Vegas; Reno, Nev.; and Ontario, Calif."
http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,6862,53674,00.html

Also don't forget that UA announced Denver and Knoxville last week. That may be part of the 32 flights also.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4404 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6321 times:
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Hmm.... it seems like it was just the other day they were cutting domestic capacity.

[Edited 2006-02-15 02:13:47]


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

Any chance at least one of the flights will be DEN-BFL on UAExpress?


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Lets hope US wants to act before WN or F9 would and add PVD-DEN


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13152 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6188 times:
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Quoting Iowaman (Reply 2):
Hmm.... it seems like it was just the other day they were cutting domestic capacity.

Yes it does seem "just the other day." I'd much rather read about expansion. 7% versus current (or 4% versus last June) is great!  bigthumbsup 

Oh, I'll have to check the schedules. I've been flying LAX-"small towns" via DEN. I hope UA still has a convienient schedule if not a better schedule.

From the link:

Quote:
United Airlines said it has been working to use its assets -- such as aircraft and gates -- more efficiently. The company said the expanded service will provide the equivalent of at least 10 additional aircraft by targeting turn times and other ways to boost efficiency with its existing fleet.

Expanding the fleet without buying aircraft... smart (and a little overdue, but still good to see). Does anyone know UA's current leases/commitments on CRJ's? I like the CR7's that are "express plus," (doubly so that if you buy the last minute ticket at full fare one is put in econ+ almost automatically. Finally something of value for that full fare ticket!). But... the CR2's just have such poor CASM that they need to go and soon. Hopefully more E-jets!  bigthumbsup  But I'd be just as happy with CR7's with econ+.

Ok, since UA is again expanding, let me ask: are they going to do anything to retrofit the interiors of their aircraft? In particular, will they expand the overhead bins on the 757's? If they were 2" wider, my favorite carryon would fit so much better... (transverse or 3+ bags/bin vs. longitudinal or 2 bags/bin) I loath the LAX checked baggage experience. I know, a nitpick that won't change my buying preference.

When will the schedules load? I have a dozen staff shuffling LAX/ONT/BUR-"small towns" over the next few weeks/months. This could impact our planning... hopefully to the better. If you noticed a prior post of mine LCC vs. legacy and travel budgets... sometimes travel budgets get +uped!  Smile My only concern is minimal travel times (e.g., hub frequency).

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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
are they going to do anything to retrofit the interiors of their aircraft? In particular, will they expand the overhead bins on the 757's? If they were 2" wider, my favorite carryon would fit so much better...

UA has announced the $300 million (or was it 400?) which will be pumped into the aircraft interiors now that they are out of bankruptcy. For the 757 fleet, the only change should be seat cover colors and bulkhead treatments as they are already equipped with the "new" United Economy seat. The bins have been retrofitted with the Boeing BigBins for quite a few years now--since the product has been available.

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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
When will the schedules load?

they are already loaded...

on another note, does anyway give PVD and/or BDL a chance of seeing a DEN nonstop in 2006??? (how about MHT?)

[Edited 2006-02-15 03:10:25]

User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5557 times:
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I just checked United.com and the "Travel Desk" utility to see if there are any changes for DEN-PHL. Both have the same schedules, but something screwy is going on. Schedules for today and anywhere through May or even July are exactly the same. To top it off, aircraft types in to PHL are WAY off.

Example: Checking ORD-PHL for 2/14 it shows 100% B735s (except for one B733 thrown in) operating all 8 flights. Checking flight trackers, today there was a wide variety of aircraft operating ORD-PHL, from 319s/320s to 733s and even a 752 for good measure. 735s only show up at PHL once or twice a day if at all.

As for DEN, it showed 733s and 319s for 2/14 even though at that very moment a 752 was en-route.

In conclusion, for anyone checking UA schedules tonight for these DEN additions, take what you see with a grain of salt.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5552 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 2):
Hmm.... it seems like it was just the other day they were cutting domestic capacity.

They could have simply shifted unprofitable routes that had been cut and devoted the equipment to those mentioned.

Needless to say, many of these appear to directly target WN and F9.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5552 times:

I found this news out earlier today when I checked my email and saw this announcement in the newsletter United Mileage Plus sends.

I'm sure other Mileage Plus members recieved the same email.

I was quite happy to hear this news.




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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32868 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5536 times:

Nothing more than an over-exagerrated PR that takes typical summer seasonal increases and makes a big deal out of them. Smart PR, because in tomorrow's Rocky Mountain News, they are probably going to get a front page article in the business section, when in reality most of these flights are seasonal upgrades, some of which have existed in the past, for the busy summer travel period, and will be gone by October. I'm not downing on UAL for doing this, if I were a business, especially one just out of BK, I would do it too.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5501 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
in tomorrow's Rocky Mountain News, they are probably going to get a front page article in the business section,

You got that right, Mark:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm.../0,2777,DRMN_23912_4467753,00.html

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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5501 times:

We have been changing our schedules every month. It is really screwing up our manpower up here in PDX. We have to keep moving the start/stop times for our shifts. They give one of our LAX/SFO flights to UAX for a month. Then they put a Mainline aircraft back on the route the next month. I think they need to keep the same schedule for at least a three month period. I don't see the reason for monthly changes.

User currently offlineN723gw From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

This is good news, here in GRR, there was a big rumor about UA starting DEN flights. I asked the rampers and they said that the airport has been asking for it, so maybe GRR will get a new destination!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32868 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting N723gw (Reply 14):
This is good news, here in GRR, there was a big rumor about UA starting DEN flights. I asked the rampers and they said that the airport has been asking for it, so maybe GRR will get a new destination!

The only new destinations are the aforementioned Toronto and Knoxville flights.



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User currently offlineIceTitan447 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I'm not downing on UAL for doing this

Sure sounds like it.

I thought UAL was going to start a DEN-RDM flight? Did that fall between the cracks? Or is that in the talks?


User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting RampRat74 (Reply 13):
We have been changing our schedules every month. It is really screwing up our manpower up here in PDX. We have to keep moving the start/stop times for our shifts. They give one of our LAX/SFO flights to UAX for a month. Then they put a Mainline aircraft back on the route the next month. I think they need to keep the same schedule for at least a three month period. I don't see the reason for monthly changes.

Tell me about it, In OKC we just had to bid a new shift schd and now my manager is thinking about a rebid cause of a minor schecule change. So I feel your pain man.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4120 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Unfortunately I don't see much chance of getting DEN service at either PVD or MHT. Reason being, the legacy carriers are focussing more on Boston than on either of our airports. So if UA is picking Boston as one of the cities they are going to throw more service at, I don't see them also adding DEN-MHT or DEN-PVD service. Don't get me wrong; I'd love to see it at either airport. I just don't think it's likely.

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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

I agree Chris - just figured I'd throw the idea out there to see what other people thought...

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17537 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
The company said the expanded service will provide the equivalent of at least 10 additional aircraft by targeting turn times and other ways to boost efficiency with its existing fleet.

Wait a sec, I thought that was the entire strategy behind Ted Yeah sure. I guess they'll have to paint those 10 "additional aircraft" in Ted colors  rotfl 



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting RampRat74 (Reply 13):
They give one of our LAX/SFO flights to UAX for a month. Then they put a Mainline aircraft back on the route the next month.

Is that the UAX RJ I keep seeing? I never noticed those Skywest RJ's until recently, I thought it was all E120s out of PDX before.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 16):
I thought UAL was going to start a DEN-RDM flight? Did that fall between the cracks? Or is that in the talks?

If the airlines were smart, we would be seeing more RDM flights. Bend and the surrounding area are exploding in population and it is the biggest recreation area in Oregon. Hollywood has party houses there for goodness sake. I think UA could benefit from a DEN-RDM flight, and I think US could use a PHX-RDM flight as well. Probably would do better than PHX-MFR and it would get fewer wx cancellations and diversions.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Does anyone know where they are getting the lift for these extra flights? I didn't know they were adding aircraft.

User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Most of this was from a agreement with the City of Denver to boost it's hub in denver in exchange for DEN forgiving about 50 million dollars in debt and dropping a lawsuit. It's easy to get the impression sometimes on this board (esp from people critical of F9) that DEN and UA have a smooth relationship. There have been many lawsuits over the last 10 years since DEN opened and a lot of bad blood between mayors and UA executives.

User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 21):
Is that the UAX RJ I keep seeing? I never noticed those Skywest RJ's until recently, I thought it was all E120s out of PDX before

As of right now. Two SFO flights are RJ's, and one LAX flight. We don't work those flights because Skywest has their own employees here in PDX. We do all their counter work though. So CS keeps busy upstairs.


25 Post contains images RDUDDJI : I thought it was quite ingenious myself. Nice use of "aforementioned", one of my favorite contract words.
26 UPSMD11 : I love new service but I can't imagine why TYS would get DEN service before SDF. I would think there is much more O&D traffic at SDF especially with s
27 Flyboy80 : EUG needs to go back to mainline!!!!
28 HPRamper : That is a good question. Maybe UA just wants to avoid going into SDF since WN already has a good presence there...or maybe SDF is just too close to C
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