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Alaska Air Flight Depressurizes En-route To DEN  
User currently offlineSEAchaz From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 221 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

This just reported at end of 11pm newscasts in Seattle - following is from the King 5 website www.king5.com :

"Some passengers aboard an Alaska Airlines flight were taken to the hospital by ambulance after a pressurization problem forced the Denver bound jet to return to Sea-Tac and make an emergency landing. The airline confirms a malfunction with the automatic pressurization system on flight 578. The flight developed problems 15 to 20 minutes after take-off. Some passengers continued their trip on a replacement aircraft."

Update - KOMO 4 now has more in depth article: www.komo4.com

[Edited 2006-02-15 08:58:47]

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User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8203 times:

Would this be a classic 737?

Or what type was it?


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8190 times:

Quoting Mika (Reply 1):
Would this be a classic 737?

Yes..at least according to my AS desktop timetable. Very unfortunate for Alaska, I hope all aboard are alright.



Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8190 times:

I'm glad everything turned out ok.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

According to flightaware, it was a 737-400.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA578

(edited because I goofed and didn't read far enough.. sorry!)

Be interesting to hear more about this tomorrow. I get PDX stations, so I won't hear a lick about this until *maybe* tomorrow morning.

[Edited 2006-02-15 09:14:17]


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User currently offlineSEAchaz From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 221 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

The time table list equipment as 737-400, no idea if that was case or not.

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Quoting Ptharris (Reply 4):
According to flightaware, it was a 737-400.



Quoting Ptharris (Reply 4):
The time table list equipment as 737-400, no idea if that was case or not.

I think that's what Mika ment by 737 classic...The 732s only operate in Alaska with the exception of cargo-only runs to SEA. That said, AS seems to throw a pretty diverse mix of equipment onto the SEA-DEN runs, so it's possible that the aircraft that flew AS578 last night was a different type than listed. According to Flytecomm, the replacement flight (which arrived around 1230AM) was a 734 as well.



Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8054 times:

Quoting Ptharris (Reply 4):
According to flightaware, it was a 737-400.



Quoting SEAchaz (Reply 5):
The time table list equipment as 737-400, no idea if that was case or not.



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 6):
so it's possible that the aircraft that flew AS578 last night was a different type than listed

http://www.komotv.com/stories/41871.htm

Flight 578, a Boeing 737-400,

I suppose with the debate about the type of aircraft no one actually read the information in the link???

. . . .

Fortunate that no one is seriously injured.

52 Pax . . . rather a light load . . .

More bad juju for AS.


User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

Maybe bad juju or mojo or just a bad year... whatever... Regardless, they are becoming a scary airline to fly.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7961 times:

At least unlike last year's Helios flight, the procedures worked out right here and all got safely back to lower altitude and back to an airport quickly. I would assume that an investigation is already underway to figure out what happened here.

User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Does anyone know the tail number of this plane? This problem happens all the time. No big deal!

User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

I just posted another link/post with the full article. Sorry, I didn't see this thread.

User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 8):
Maybe bad juju or mojo or just a bad year... whatever... Regardless, they are becoming a scary airline to fly.

Menzies again?


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 8):
Maybe bad juju or mojo or just a bad year... whatever... Regardless, they are becoming a scary airline to fly.

Asinine statement,

Anybody can have a supplier provided part malfunction or fail and cause a depressurization. Not just an AS issue. I'd fly them.

[Edited 2006-02-15 18:56:29]


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

BoomBoom, NO. It said a malfunction with the the system. How is Menzies have anything to do with this.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineDCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 8):
Regardless, they are becoming a scary airline to fly.

Would you care to elaborate on this statement? I think you might want to change you statement to apply to yourself, not everyone. I know I will gladly fly AS anyday without being scared. The 2 aircraft depressurizations were on seperate types. It's unfortunate to have happened, but do you think this event only occurs on AS aircraft?

Medics treated five people with "minor symptoms of ear and sinus pain," said Bob Parker, a Seattle-Tacoma International Airport spokesman.

I'm glad that everyone is safe and I'll be interested to read the report on this. If I get more information I can share tonight, I'll try and update.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8142 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

Quoting DCrawley (Reply 15):
It's unfortunate to have happened, but do you think this event only occurs on AS aircraft?

When was the last time it happened to someone else?



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User currently offlineElton From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Glad to hear that everyone is ok. Pressurization and Oxygen generators worry me anyway.

User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Hey we can rip rattle and roll all we want on AS being safe and this being routine, but fact is what will the Average American/ AS pax think? Certainly they will not take such a defensive stance towards AS and all their recent happenings. Fact of the matter is its bad PR, even if all PR is good PR, this will only be used in the already misguided attempt to dethrone Menzies and bring back that labor workforce that we rip on and blame for all of UA's, US's, and NW's problems but for some reason we want them back for AS becuase of a few accidents? Something tells me there just may be a few to many "fair weather" fans here on A.net

User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

I've often said AS pilots are some of the best trained in the industry, they have to be flying around all of the mountain passes in Alaska, often with low minimums.

The news tidbit I read said the flight dropped from 30,000 to roughly 10,000 feet twice in a matter of a few minutes. I'm just glad the flight was still well enough away from the Rockies and Denver which is carries the moniker of the mile high city. It could have been worse. I bet there were allot of pax with  crossfingers 



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6617 times:
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Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 16):

When was the last time it happened to someone else?

More then we will ever know about. AS just drew the short end of the stick because of their current problems-- it gives the media an excuse to screw up their reputation when it's a slow news night...

JBLU


User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting DCrawley (Reply 15):
Would you care to elaborate on this statement? I think you might want to change you statement to apply to yourself, not everyone. I know I will gladly fly AS anyday without being scared. The 2 aircraft depressurizations were on seperate types. It's unfortunate to have happened, but do you think this event only occurs on AS aircraft?

My statement didn't apply to everyone, that's just what you read. AS had one of the worst operational years (2005) of any major airline. Dead last in on-time performance (out of 19 measured airlines), as well as in the bottom half for flight cancellations and denied boardings. Well publicized struggles with baggage handling and ground operations (damages, delays) after disposing of the in-house ramp. $500k proposed FAA fines for running an aircraft on hundreds of cycles with improper emergency lighting and now two similar in nature (but not in cause) in-flight emergencies. There are many airlines out there in much worst financial state and operational struggles but are still able to deliver a significantly more reliable product.


User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 21):
My statement didn't apply to everyone, that's just what you read. AS had one of the worst operational years (2005) of any major airline.

And incidentally, they've killed 0, and they're making money. Hmmm...

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 21):
Dead last in on-time performance (out of 19 measured airlines),

When a decent chunk of your operations are in Alaska, one wouldn't expect much better. Factor in the fact that they operate largely out of some stuffed airports out west, and there you go.

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 21):
There are many airlines out there in much worst financial state and operational struggles but are still able to deliver a significantly more reliable product.

To a certain degree $$$ is all every company cares about in the free market. As long as they still abide by the basic safety rules, nobody should hold anything against them.



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Well I am glad no one was seriously injured or worse. Makes me feel good to know there are many experienced crews out there who can act and get the plan down safely. I'm flying in 3 weeks and my nervous flying bit is sneaking up on me.

User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

This is a much more minor incident than the one in December. This had nothing to do with aircraft damage, reported or otherwise. It was a malfunction with the pressurization system. Also, unlike the December flight, the oxygen masks never came down. The plane took off from SEA at 18:51, was climbing up to around 30,000 ft when the problem developed and then quickly descended and returned to the airport, landing at 19:25.

I had a similar experience on a previous flight (not with AS). This kind of scenario happens from time to time. While I'm sure it was scary, no one's life was in danger.

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 21):
AS had one of the worst operational years (2005) of any major airline. Dead last in on-time performance (out of 19 measured airlines), as well as in the bottom half for flight cancellations and denied boardings.

Yes, the months of May-July were very bad operationally, due to problems with Menzies (short-staffing and unfamiliarity with the operation), an alleged work slowdown by pilots after the arbitrated pay cuts went into effect, and also some delays getting aircraft back from maintenance checks. Schedule cutbacks were made to allow for increased aircraft downtime and more spares. On-time performance and completions since September have actually been slightly better than for the previous year, and the baggage handling still ranked better than the industry average as of the most recent data.


25 AS739X : LegendDC9: Please feel free to send me and e-mail or message. I'd like to know what your beef with Alaska is. You sure have a judgement with very litt
26 1011 : Thank you as739X for the tail number. I like to keep track of tail numbers especially if they have accidents. I have been on 780AS before.
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