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NW Announces IND-SFO  
User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

INDIANAPOLIS, Feb. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Northwest Airlines today announced an expansion of its Indianapolis flight schedule with plans to provide new nonstop service to San Francisco, an additional daily flight to Los Angeles, the return of seasonal service to Seattle and improvements to its schedule to New York's LaGuardia Airport.

Wow! What a surprise! Typical response.

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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

What are the improvements on IND-LGA? All I see is 2x D9S and 1x CRJ, so it looks the same to me.

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Didn't see this one coming now, did we? sarcastic 

Regardless of the nature of the flights, I wish them luck.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3460 times:
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Gee, I wonder what prompted Northworst to start this service. Could it have been AirTran jumping on it two weeks ago with 2X daily service?


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User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 3):
Gee, I wonder what prompted Northworst to start this service. Could it have been AirTran jumping on it two weeks ago with 2X daily service?

Regardless of your recent negativity towards NW, healthy competition is perfectly legal in this competitive environment.

Personally, I do not see them sticking around this route very long.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

What are NW's current IND routes?

Thanks



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User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 3):
Gee, I wonder what prompted Northworst to start this service. Could it have been AirTran jumping on it two weeks ago with 2X daily service?

I thought their name was AirTramp Big grin



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:
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Quoting Northwestair (Reply 6):
I thought their name was AirTramp

I've also been called AirTrash

Quoting Mlsrar (Reply 4):
Regardless of your recent negativity towards NW, healthy competition is perfectly legal in this competitive environment.

I'm not saying that competition isn't legal, but this is just another example of how NW doesn't play nice with anyone other than themselves. Do you really think the IND-SFO was something that NW had planned? It is a knee jerk announcement, "what AirTran is doing IND-SFO? Yeah ....we'll do that route too, do we have a 747 lying around that we can put on that leg?"


By the way, what aircraft are they going to use on the route? I'd assume an A319, but I could be wrong.



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User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Thats ok. They will lose money and then get it from there employees. Its been working like that now for a few years. Employees will pay. Always have, always will. I can see it now. "judge we lost millions of dollars and we have to give our executives a bonus to stay so we need another 5-10 percent from our employees its the only we can survive".

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 7):
Do you really think the IND-SFO was something that NW had planned? It is a knee jerk announcement, "what AirTran is doing IND-SFO? Yeah ....we'll do that route too, do we have a 747 lying around that we can put on that leg?"

It was a strong candidate during the first round of IND expansion, not a knee-jerk reaction to FL's entry. Personally, I don't see this sticking around, nor having the success that NW has had with IND-SEA.

I think that FL will be able to outlast NW, though likely drop to 1x daily in the long-run.

All indications are that a 319 will be deployed.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:
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NW pilots will probably be striking by this point.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4547 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

I was told months ago that NW wanted to establish long haul (3+ hours) service out of IND. This to me meaning west coast service. This would of course go along with that. However the timing is suspicious. I guess this tells everyone that NW plans on keeping IND as a focus city. Will FL respond?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

It is good to see the increased west coast service. IND is surely lacking flights to the west as there is so much competition to the Northeast and Florida. This is an old ATA route that supported 757s, so hopefully it can support these FL and NW flights.

All I hope is that the increased competition doesn't dilute the market to the point where AirTran backs out as there is a chance if FL goes, then NW will go too as it prefers to connect people via hubs. Competition is great, but if NW is in it to just drive FL out, then we will be in a worse position then when we started.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4547 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Even with FL announcing the service on Jan 1 it still left service to LAX and SFO a bit thin. This will however give good coverage to the two markets. I don't think IND-SFO will support much more than 2 nonstop flights a day. Maybe 3 if we are lucky. I don't think this will phase FL much.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
All I hope is that the increased competition doesn't dilute the market to the point where AirTran backs out as there is a chance if FL goes, then NW will go too as it prefers to connect people via hubs.

Well this was the thinking with TZ. TZ left IND and NW didn't cut back to hub only flying. They kept their schedule in the 40's. This just starts the climb back to 50. With the new flights and the upgrade at LGA this will put 3 more mainline flights in to IND. Plus of course the seasonal mainline service to SEA and CUN.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offline73G From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
but if NW is in it to just drive FL out, then we will be in a worse position then when we started.

Theres no 'if' about it. But thats alright. Northwest, an airline on the brink of extinction, will lose their shirts protecting their market share against a much healthier competitor. To be honest, I'm surprised DL hasn't found a way to stretch the range of the CR7 to make it work on this route. Maybe they can weight restrict it to 25 pax or so.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6121 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Well you knew FL saw this coming. They are ready for NW. It does get very old by NW. Knock someone out of their market, then once the other carrier is gone they also cut the service. Has NW posted a timetable on the flight yet? Will it also be late night with a red-eye return to IND?

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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2661 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

I just hope they stick with it, and don't try to drive FL out, then cancel the route. Good luck to both FL and NW


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4547 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Flight 772 from LAX arrives in IND at 11:19pm.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Some healthy competition to the west coast? I see nothing wrong with that. Maybe it will keep prices down, which is something IND is becoming known for.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
What are NW's current IND routes?

Do a little poking around on nwa.com and it will yield these results.

[Edited 2006-02-15 19:39:22]


Boiler up! - Next flights: IND-DFW-AUS, AUS-DFW-IND
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4547 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

With the 304 additional daily departing seats being added to the schedule this summer (not including the return of SEA) won't this bring NW's total daily departing seats out of IND to nearly its higest ever? The additional seats (2 x 319's and 1 crj upgrade to DC9) are about the same as 7 of the 44 seat CRJs that NW used to run out of IND to STL, DFW and AUS. Plus one of the DCA flights had been upgraded to mainline in the past year as well as 2 other LGA flights to mainline that were originally CRJs as well.

BTW what are the chances of AUS coming back and perhaps DEN or PHX?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 19):
BTW what are the chances of AUS coming back and perhaps DEN or PHX?

I am somewhat doubtful of PHX and DEN. NW would be competing with Southwest and US Airways/America West to PHX and United and Frontier to DEN. Those other airlines all have connections beyond PHX or DEN and NW would not. In order to get market share on those routes, NW would have to have some very low prices and compete against multiple LCCs head to head.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 19):
BTW what are the chances of AUS coming back and perhaps DEN or PHX?

If FL decides to start it, I'd say you have a good chance of seeing the route.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3460 times:
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Quoting Mlsrar (Reply 4):
Regardless of your recent negativity towards NW, healthy competition is perfectly legal in this competitive environment.

Personally, I do not see them sticking around this route very long.

NW is only doing this because FL is, not to help the competitive enviroment. They obviously don't give a damn if they loose money by running half ass empty planes with poor yields to compete with G4 on FSD and FAR-LAS, or by running FNT-RSW, TPA, MCO. Do you really think NW is doing that to make money? I don't think so. How about DL starting ATL-MLI, BMI and MCO-MLI, BMI after FL does, and cancel CVG-MLI and BMI? Jee, I don't see CID getting CID-ATL, a larger market with no competition compared to Bloomington, IL. And as far as making money out of MLI and BMI as far as DL, the CVG yields are much better, but no, they have to try to run FL out, and push FL out, then jack up fares and whine that no one is flying them anymore, and leave. The real looser in this situation is the airport and the passengers. I'm so tired of this, and NW is not doing this because they see an oppurtunity here, or they would of already had this last year. I personally hope FL kicks a$$ on this route and NW liquidates soon and so does DL, It would be a better world without them.



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22):
NW is only doing this because FL is, not to help the competitive enviroment. They obviously don't give a damn if they loose money by running half ass empty planes with poor yields to compete with G4 on FSD and FAR-LAS, or by running FNT-RSW, TPA, MCO. Do you really think NW is doing that to make money? I don't think so. How about DL starting ATL-MLI, BMI and MCO-MLI, BMI after FL does, and cancel CVG-MLI and BMI? Jee, I don't see CID getting CID-ATL, a larger market with no competition compared to Bloomington, IL. And as far as making money out of MLI and BMI as far as DL, the CVG yields are much better, but no, they have to try to run FL out, and push FL out, then jack up fares and whine that no one is flying them anymore, and leave. The real looser in this situation is the airport and the passengers. I'm so tired of this, and NW is not doing this because they see an oppurtunity here, or they would of already had this last year. I personally hope FL kicks a$$ on this route and NW liquidates soon and so does DL, It would be a better world without them.

Thats a bit harsh....

We all know that NW doesnt care about going competeing on routes that other carriers start at strong NW cities....proposterious.

All NW is all about making money, pleasing passengers, flying profitable routes, and having great fleet utilization.

Good day to you all.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4547 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 23):
All NW is all about making money, pleasing passengers, flying profitable routes, and having great fleet utilization.

Sarcasim or serious?

I see sarcasim in it. They don't make money. They are doing a poor job of pleasing customers in my opinion by gutting service, and they have very questionable routes. I'm undecided on fleet utilization. Maybe its what NW wants but I don't see them actually doing it.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
25 Burnsie28 : I know that full flights dont equal yeild, but looking at most of the flights in AIMS, those flights are genrally quite full especially to Cedar Rapi
26 Stirling : I see that Spirit is adding DTW-SFO....any competitive response yet from NW? (insert sarcasm) Something along the lines of new hourly service?
27 Iowaman : On NW? NW doesn't even operate CID-LAS n/s. My point was, you and I know NW wouldn't even consider operating FAR-LAS in bankruptcy, unless someone el
28 Notdownnlocked : No, NW would never consider CID-LAS on their own accord and they should be lawfully be prohibited to start a route such as this...How dare they? If a
29 STLGph : of course it wasn't.....except for the part where it was.
30 Burnsie28 : Whoops meant Des Moines Interesting, because that route was outlined a couple years ago in the "heartland strategy"
31 Iowaman : Okay, I'll agree with you there, DSM-LAS is doing quite well, but also has much more O&D. Nothing personal, I just have a hard time believing that.
32 Nkops : That's funny!!! NW seems more concerned about FL then with us.... which is fine with me. We seem to co-exist in DTW ok right now
33 Post contains images Tornado82 : That's a shame coming from anyone with affiliation to NW. Look at their fleet, their faded/peeling paint jobs, their horrendous interiors, etc. They
34 Fedexexpress : Its about time to see a carrier going from SFO to IND. Since ATA pulled out service to SFO has lacked. TZ flew a 757 into there. So with Airtran and N
35 Indy : Well look who lives. Where have you been hiding the past several months? 2x daily might be a little much for SFO.
36 MD90fan : Can we expect some more destinations out of IND from NW? Will DFW or IAH come back? Maybe ATL and PHX?
37 Post contains links and images B742 : Here's the details of the IND-SFO-IND flight Indianapolis - San Francisco NW522 Depart: 08:00 Arrive: 09:35 (Terminal 1) Aircraft: Airbus A319 Flight
38 Tornado82 : I want a job as route planner for NW. All you have to do is wait for Airtran or Allegiant to announce a route, and then copy it, changing only the fl
39 Post contains images Indy : DFW is unlikely. From what I've seen posted it wasn't doing well at all. They didn't serve IAH. They served AUS which is probably the only Texas rout
40 MD90fan : That;s what I had thought. Why did AUS do well enough that It might come back? Any other markets maybe?
41 Tango-Bravo : Not "a chance" but a certainty. Equally if not even more certain.
42 Indy : The one change I think will come up is SEA going all year just to keep FL out. I think having a monopoly on the route with a 1x A319 would make it a k
43 Post contains images Indy : The fact that NW offers alot of nonstop service from IND shows that it isn't entirely accurate. Unless you call IND a mini-hub because of the connect
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