YOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2503 times:
Given that the only route Virgin America have announed to date is SFO-NYC, does anyone here know, or think, they will do international flying? Given their fleet will consist solely of Airbus narrowbodies, by international, I'm refering primarily to serving Canada and Mexico, along with the Carribean and Central America.
NKMCO From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2490 times:
Just to clarify, as far as I know, VA didn't announce any routes so far. SFO-NYC is the most probable, but not confirmed.
At the same time I am sure they are looking into all possible route options (not excluding international) to see where the greatest profit margin would be achieved.
I don't see international routes in VA's near future since they are more expensive, require more training, certification, etc. Possibly 4-5 years into the operation once they grow and establish market presence.
It is true that we all have to wait and see if and when they get the certification. From what I've seen there are no legal restrictions against them. They might be a bit delayed getting the certification due to major airlines disputing the "foreign ownership" - but that is a big stretch on their part.
Yesterday they did announce purchase of Ramco - maintenance software solution and Navero EFB systems.
My guess is they will begin operation sometimes between July and October.
Motopolitico From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2490 times:
Wouldn't it make more sense to plug-in to the existing Virgin Atlantic international route structure?? Oh, I guess you mean non- longhaul international. I think Virgin America would best serve as a collector system for Virgin's longhaul routes. They could OWN the east coast-london market if they wanted to.
N770WD From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 126 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2490 times:
Quoting NKMCO (Reply 4): It is true that we all have to wait and see if and when they get the certification.
To fly international they would need to apply for foreign authority. VA's DOT application is for scheduled interstate service. Flag service would assume the licensed Virgin brand name can be used internationally, potentially against Singapore Airlines or Virgin Atlantic. So the signal from management is domestic service only.
There is no chance they will be flying in July without divine intervention (at least on a new certificate) given that DOT has not yet issued questions about their application. Flying by November is still possible if everything moves quickly from today. DOT is moving no slower or faster on Virgin America than they did on recent fresh Part 121 certifications for Eos and MAXjet, both of which were also funded entities with fit management teams and complete applications -- and neither of those had foreign ownership or control issues to deal with.
Petmbro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2490 times:
Quoting N770WD (Reply 8): Flag service would assume the licensed Virgin brand name can be used internationally, potentially against Singapore Airlines or Virgin Atlantic.
They would never put one Virgin against another, that makes no sense. The best thing they should do is work off the Virgin Atlantic destinations in the US and help feed it. Doesn't VS want to serve YYZ? Couldn't Virgin America be the stepping stone they need to connect YYZ with LHR via one of their east coast destinations? Also once Virgin America gets going will VS leave their CO codesharing and use Virgin America instead?
[Edited 2006-02-15 20:25:50]
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Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
I thought the Virgin name could not be used for new international services (except VS) without the permission of SQ. This is why Virgin Blue's international services are flown under the Pacific Blue name.