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Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Do they wish to have a try with the A320 ?

Written in Aviation Letter February issue.

".......plans to lease two Eirjet A320s from 23/1/06 to March 2006."

Probably to cover a plane shortage and the lease must be quite cheap.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

In the far distant past I seem to remember that an earlier version of Ryanair was one of the early customers for the A320...

User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
In the far distant past I seem to remember that an earlier version of Ryanair was one of the early customers for the A320...

You mean Ryan International which was flying for Apple Vacations with A320s ? They had no connection with Ryanair as far as know.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting Breiz (Reply 2):
You mean Ryan International which was flying for Apple Vacations with A320s ? They had no connection with Ryanair as far as know.

No, I mean Ryanair. There was a time when their planned fleet was ATRs and A320s. It may even have happened.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
In the far distant past I seem to remember that an earlier version of Ryanair was one of the early customers for the A320...

Correct - Ryanair even advertised the A320.

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Probably to cover a plane shortage and the lease must be quite cheap.

No shortage of aircraft - just pilots



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Found it. They were going to lease two CFM-powered A320s from GPA (remember them?) for delivery in 1991 and 1992 to augment their 1-11s. It never happened, as far as I know, as Ryanair began gobbling up used 737-200s instead.

User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Found it. They were going to lease two CFM-powered A320s from GPA (remember them?) for delivery in 1991 and 1992 to augment their 1-11s. It never happened, as far as I know, as Ryanair began gobbling up used 737-200s instead.

Yes, correct PM, found it as well.
In March 26th, 2005, CH-Aviation website published news that Ryanair would lease A320s from Monarch and eirjet. There was no time frame.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

That was the same last year as what it probably is right now: pilot and/or aircraft shortage.


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

FR has rented A320s on wet lease in the past. I flew DUB - BVA on an A320 last march which FR were wet leasing from Eirjet.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=4&prev_id=0994480&next_id=0992014


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

Are they being based @ DUB?

FR has used various airlines' aircraft before, including Excel's 738 machines (based @ STN).



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Last years leases were to cover for the structural issues they had with the 732's. This years leases are to cover for lack of pilots for the next six weeks.


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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 10):
This years leases are to cover for lack of pilots for the next six weeks.

Yep, they've (many of the flight deck crew) hit their 900hrs p.a. limit

As well as the Eirjet lease, FR have also been using XLA pilots during the winter (flying FR a/c)



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Also because of some slippage caused by last year's Boeing strike. I think they may still be a couple of frames behind their delivery schedule.

If they just needed pilots they could have hauled them in via an agency. Leasing a full aircraft or two on ACMI is a bit drastic just to cover crew shortages.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
Also because of some slippage caused by last year's Boeing strike. I think they may still be a couple of frames behind their delivery schedule.

If they just needed pilots they could have hauled them in via an agency. Leasing a full aircraft or two on ACMI is a bit drastic just to cover crew shortages.

Well I can tell you for a fact that 5 seperate Ryanair aircraft where sitting on the ground from 1pm (if not before I started work at 12) till 4:30 in DUB today, after that i moved from A peir Ops to C peir ops plus i got a lunchbreak in between so they could have been there longer. One of the Aircraft was only delivered yesterday, there was another one delivered today but that was sticking out of the FR hanger for most of the day, it's not big enough to fit in as the hanger was build for 200's (speaking of which do they ever plan to upgrade the hanger in DUB?).



John Hancock
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Hey Smokey - I passed through C at 19:00 this evening, and noticed the FR aircraft 1/4 of the way into their maintenance base. That hangar is history with the new terminal. No doubt if MOL had is way - it would be the new terminal....  Smile

The FR issue is pilot shortage, not aircraft shortage.



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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14):
Hey Smokey - I passed through C at 19:00 this evening, and noticed the FR aircraft 1/4 of the way into their maintenance base. That hangar is history with the new terminal. No doubt if MOL had is way - it would be the new terminal....

The FR issue is pilot shortage, not aircraft shortage.

ha, I could picture the aircraft lined up along the apron, why bother taxing in leave it out there and make the passengers walk, that way they don't need push back tugs either and that would save them a couple of minutes too.

Out of curiosity, how much training would pilots need from a 732 to a 738? I mean the 732's only went out of service around the 22nd of Dec, so would the 732 pilots already be operating the 738s? As I'm sure by the time the 732's finished up there was a large enough pool of pilots still operating them.

I guess I'm wondering if the 732's pilots flying the 738's yet?..... Yes that was simpler!



John Hancock
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

If they expand too quickly , and have to lease planes for the new routes they are opening , cause pilot shortage , isn't too dangerous for their profits ?
Will they be forced to up the ticket price to be paid by passengers ?
If it's the case , their philosophy will change.
I guess Easyjet is more reasonnable.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

The other way you can look at the pilot shortage is that FR are making the best use of (some of) their assets - their flight deck crew - by ensuring they work their maximum allowable hours.
It may make business sense to lease in a couple of aircraft for a few weeks rather than employ a number of extra crew for the whole year that you simply don't need.



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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

How funny, that twit at Ryanair gave EI-DAC (738) the unofficial name of 'Driving Airbus Crazy' Now he will lease some!

User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 13):
Well I can tell you for a fact that 5 seperate Ryanair aircraft where sitting on the ground from 1pm (if not before I started work at 12) till 4:30 in DUB today, after that i moved from A peir Ops to C peir ops plus i got a lunchbreak in between so they could have been there longer.

The same happened today, I'm just back from the airport. Three brand new Ryanair aircraft (with winglets) landed and parked at the usual Ryanair stands at Dublin. I was waiting for them to come back out so I could get a picture of them but the first one didn't depart for a full hour and a half. The other two followed after nearly 2 hours sitting on the ground. There were other Ryanair aircraft at the airport aswell but even they were on the ground for nearly 45 mins - 1 hour before they departed.



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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Are they being based @ DUB?

They are based at Liverpool and have been since the start of the lease. The aircraft are EI-DIJ and EI-DKF; they should be gone by the end of March. Ryanair still have 3 based B737-800s at Liverpool, Eirjet are just covering for some of the Ryanair flightcrew based at Liverpool which are currently out of hours.

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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 19):
The same happened today, I'm just back from the airport. Three brand new Ryanair aircraft (with winglets) landed and parked at the usual Ryanair stands at Dublin. I was waiting for them to come back out so I could get a picture of them but the first one didn't depart for a full hour and a half. The other two followed after nearly 2 hours sitting on the ground. There were other Ryanair aircraft at the airport aswell but even they were on the ground for nearly 45 mins - 1 hour before they departed

Were they parked because the was no flying scheduled for them, or were they parked because there was no one to fly them?

Have FR been cancelling flights today from DUB, or were the Eirjet aircraft operating?

Out of interest, are Eirjet operating set routes, or can they be seen anywhere on the FR network?

Quoting N754PR (Reply 18):
How funny, that twit at Ryanair gave EI-DAC (738) the unofficial name of 'Driving Airbus Crazy' Now he will lease some!

I don't see Michael O'Leary getting sentimental about what aircraft he's using - Eirjet have operated for FR previously anyway - I do see M O'L ensuring that he gets the best deal, which is what FR have no doubt done.
I'm sure that Eirjet are grateful for a bit of flying coming their way in the winter months, especially if they have 2 aircraft not committed to flying programmes.



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User currently offlineSteady Eddie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

if someone ever found a picture it sure would be a rarity but I distinctly recall seeing the Airbus A320 demonstrator in LTN late eighties/early nineties with Ryanair titles.

this was around the time of the ATRs and 1-11's


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 22):
if someone ever found a picture it sure would be a rarity but I distinctly recall seeing the Airbus A320 demonstrator in LTN late eighties/early nineties with Ryanair titles.

You mean this one:
A320-111 F-WWDF MSN 0004, at DUB March 14th, 1988 with added Ryanair titles
http://www.irishairpics.com/database...ir&fields=all&sort=latest&limit=10


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Last year for a few weeks Ryanair based a Monarch A320 they leased and was based at Luton.

Ryanair were not too happy with the lease as Monarch struggled to maintain the 25min turnarounds they operate.


25 BCALdavid : Airbus definitely had an A320 painted in the Ryanair colour scheme in the early 90s. I remember watching the Eurovision song contest held in Dublin, w
26 Post contains images Breiz : If you read my post, 2 posts before yours, you'll find the confirmation
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