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Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s  
User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15922 times:

According to an article in the latest issue of the German Aviation magazine AERO Air Tahiti Nui will replace their fleet of A343 with A359 starting from 2010.

The contract seems to be signed this summer.

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15880 times:

That makes sense from 1 side, but there is no way a firm contract was signed last summer. There aren't 5 UFOs outstanding.

Its possible they agreed to lease from ILFC or ALAFCO (did ALAFCO sign for 350s?).

N


User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15845 times:

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
this summer

I think he means this coming summer?



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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15731 times:

Hi,seems to be a translation problem from my side.Sorry for that!!!

In german THIS summer is the summer in this year (2006).The summer in 2005 would be called LAST summer.

They are expecting to sign a contract this coming summer.


Greets,

Johnny  Smile


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15586 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 3):
In german THIS summer is the summer in this year (2006).The summer in 2005 would be called LAST summer.

That's the same in English...

I will miss the TN 343s when they go as the 343 looks simply glorious in their colours.

YOWza



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15350 times:

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
According to an article in the latest issue of the German Aviation magazine AERO Air Tahiti Nui will replace their fleet of A343 with A359 starting from 2010.

Does it mean Air Tahiti Nui intends to survive till 2010?
Tale Of 2 Airlines, Air Pacific & Air Tahiti Nui (by Juventus Feb 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15256 times:

I think ATN needs to fovcus on making money and filling their flights first!

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15256 times:

Quoting Breiz (Reply 5):
Does it mean Air Tahiti Nui intends to survive till 2010?

Well, considering how badly written and biased the article you quote was written - yes this airline will be in existance long after 2010.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15239 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 4):
I will miss the TN 343s when they go as the 343 looks simply glorious in their colours.

I miss the original A342s. Anybody know what airline(s) those went to?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9908 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

That would be good news indeed and very nice to see the A359 in TN colors.

About the article written about both TN and Air Pacific, when I read it I was amazed, but I don't know anything about these two airlines. I thaught they were/are doing fairly well. So my question is: How true is this article? Are these two airlines really in that much danger to the point that they might go bankrupt? It would be a pity to see these nice and colorful liveries disappear....

Regards,

A388


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14983 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 8):
I miss the original A342s. Anybody know what airline(s) those went to?

I belive they went to Air Bourbon. After they went out I havent a clue.


User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
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User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14295 times:

Didnt Air Bourbon have only one A342?


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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14143 times:

The question WHY TN intends to replace baiscally brand-new aircrafts is far more interesting ... ?

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13868 times:
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Ia Orana all...

OK this is what one of my relatives who is an ATN chief purser told me. They were told during a training course that Air Tahiti Nui wants to add 2 A350 to its fleet, read ADD, not replace; They want to add these 2 planes and base one in PPT to fly the SYD and AKL runs and one in CDG to fly the CDG-JFK run.
Now I don't know why because the A343 fleet is not even well utilized yet what will they do with 2 spare A343 now... God knows what's going thru the minds of that airline... Mind you they changed CEO 4 times since may 2004 !



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21547 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13718 times:

This was first talked about last summer though, wasn't it? When they took on another A343? Or am I thinking of a different carrier?

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
The contract seems to be signed this summer.

The "this" part is right. It's the other part that got lost in translation.

"Seems to be" is not a future tense, it's a present tense describing an event that is already completed.

You would probably want to say "The contract seems as if it will be signed this summer." Or something better than that. Maybe "The contract will likely be signed this summer."

 Smile



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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13130 times:

@ Ikramerica

Thanks for your help !!!  Smile


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3219 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12463 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 14):
Mind you they changed CEO 4 times since may 2004

That there says it all! Unless the government can and wants to top this airline up all the time, there is no hope in that kind of environment.

So here is my Suggestion. Let them all be rolled into Air New Zealand and Qantas. For the sake of competition its probably better than NZ took over them all, however their track record isn't exactly great in that department. QF, we all know, is up to the job but i would expect them to slash routes, sell aircraft and raise prices. Obviously the solution is not quite as simple as this, but ALL these pacific islands DO NOT need their own airline.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12265 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):
but ALL these pacific islands DO NOT need their own airline.

Says who...you? And what do you base your opinion on?



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11929 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 14):
Mind you they changed CEO 4 times since may 2004 !

Heavens... they've had more CEOs than SAA!!!

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 6):
I think ATN needs to fovcus on making money and filling their flights first!

As much as I love flying on A340s, the move from A340s to A350s is a step in precisely that direction: making (more) money... I added the "more" because, as we all know, airlines can make money with A340s as well.

Nonetheless, the lower operating costs will save them money - then again, if they're really planning on adding those planes, instead of replacing A340s with them? What kinds of load increases do they think they'll be getting??

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11530 times:
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Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 6):
I think ATN needs to fovcus on making money and filling their flights first!

Is their loadfactor that bad ??

I had heard NYC had a slow start. What about SYD ?

Rgds,

FB.



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10965 times:

They are offering the most insane deals out of SYD to their destinations at the moment. Load factors are poor


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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10694 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):
So here is my Suggestion. Let them all be rolled into Air New Zealand and Qantas. For the sake of competition its probably better than NZ took over them all, however their track record isn't exactly great in that department. QF, we all know, is up to the job but i would expect them to slash routes, sell aircraft and raise prices. Obviously the solution is not quite as simple as this, but ALL these pacific islands DO NOT need their own airline.

Well considering QF has pulled out of flying to basically every pacific island ..
I would hesitate to say NZ would be the best management for the airline .. An airline like NZ that can pull itself from going under to making 100's of millions of dollars in a short period of time and has a history of serving the Pacific communities would be a better match for TN and Tahiti..



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 18):
Says who...you? And what do you base your opinion on?

I say this too.

Consider:

Royal Tongan = financial disaster

Air Nauru = didn't they just have their last plane confiscated in Melbourne = financial disaster

Solomon Airlines = only just scraping by, largely thanks to a domestic network that other PI nations don't have

Polynesian = financial blackhole (thought I'd vary it a little) - Pacific Blue had to be brought in to try and make this operation viable.

Air Tahiti Nui = a financial disaster. this one's gonna sink well before the A350 even hits the skies.

Air Pacific is about the only profitable South Pacific Island carrier EVER.

I've always wondered why Air Pacific or Air NZ didn't negotiate a deal with tthe island nations to create a right-sized airline serving all of Polynesia and some of Melanesia with 3 or 4 73G/8-sized aircraft to connect with NZ and Australia (and maybe Hawai'i) along with some 40-70 seat propjets to fly interisland routes (e.g. a Nuku'alofa-Apia-Nadi triangle, plus occassional connections to Rarotonga, Niue, Port Vila and Noumea.

Or maybe they have and it's all just an ego thing on the part of the respective governments. I wouldn't be surprised.

But yeah, ATN is losing WADS of cash and should probably be on death watch.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

LOL makes me laugh all you armchair analysts - i actually do the credit ratings for real, (involves research, and facts and everything!) and some of you may be quite surprised at how we rated ATN.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
25 Waleckdaddy : A350-900's? They're better off going with 747-100 "Classics". I'm just kidding - but wouldn't that be a twist?
26 BestWestern : Chris, we discussed these airlines only a few weeks ago. ATN are quite a robust airline, and are performing remarkably well considering the fuel price
27 Post contains links Mcmahonsmr : Well, I'm booked to travel JFK-PPT-AKL-PPT-JFK in May in coach and can hardly wait. They're offering an incredible deal of $364 each way (plus tax) fo
28 FlySSC : Air Tahiti Nui (just like Air Caraïbes, Air Austral or Air Calédonie) has no economical justification and is nothing else but a typical Political Ai
29 Flying-Tiger : Wrong. This airline might make perfectly sense from an overall economic point of view for the region/island(s). The airline itself might make losses,
30 KrisYYZ : Anyone know what ETOPS Airbus is planning for the A359s? I would think that Air Tahiti would need something in the 207min range. Krisyyz
31 CHRISBA777ER : Precisely.
32 Post contains images Varig md-11 : I unfortunately agree with FlySCC these airlines are surviving only because French public money is injected in them. here you have the economic NON-ju
33 MotorHussy : You may have hit the nail on the head! Possibly an apocryphal story, but an uncle of mine in the Samoan government tells of how the Tongan crown prin
34 FlySSC : Tahiti and PPT are not the Balearic or Canary Islands. It's Far, very expensive, and attract a "High Class" low flow seasonal tourism (and not a mass
35 Flying-Tiger : From my impression tourist flow into Tahiti starts to become High Class middle-flow business. Besides, these islands are located in the middle of the
36 AirPortugal310 : Alot of airlines go threw crazy management changes at some point before the right one... One example is Continental Airlines: In the early 90's they
37 Timz : 207 minutes would be nice, if it's available, but the dogleg to stay within 180 minutes isn't huge.
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