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Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)  
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8087 times:

Following my first topic on this subject last December, here are some more News concerning AF operations and fleet for the next summer season 2006 starting end of March.

Europe & North Africa

New destinations :

EREVAN (EVN - Armenia) - 3 x Weekly A320.
LEIPZIG (LEJ - Germany) - 2 x Daily (ERJ145 Regional Airlines)
KATOWICE (KTW - Poland) - 3 x Daily weekdays (1 x Daily on Sat, 2 x Daily on Sun.) CRJ Brit'Air

New frequencies :

TLV : 2 x DAILY A320 (with a night stop and an early departure from TLV)
KBP : 2 x DAILY (3 x DAILY if you include the codeshare with Air Ukraine)
ATH : 5 x DAILY
OPO : 4 x DAILY - All flights operated by AF's partner Porugalia in codeshare
ZAG : 2 x DAILY operated by Regional (with a night stop)
VLC : 2 x DAILY & AGP 3 x DAILY, all flights are now operated by AF's partner Air Europa in codeshare.
EIN : 3 x DAILY
ALG : 3rd DAILY flight from/to CDG (the 2 other DAILY flights remain from/to ORY)

GVA : The 11th DAILY frequency introduced this winter will continue during the summer.
RAK : 2 x DAILY from ORY
ORY -> LCY : a 7th DAILY frequency is added.

Additional frequencies will be provided to TUN, CMN, RBA, IST, LIS, & NAP from mid-july to the end of August.

Long Haul

The second DAILY flight to MEX (A343) and IAH (A332) are confirmed.
The second frequency should continue during the next winter program (5 x Weekly).

SSG : + 2 Weekly flights = 4 x Weekly A319ER Dedicate
NKC : + 1 Weekly = 6 x Weekly A319ER Dedicate
CKY : 4 x Weekly A332 nonstop both ways
BGF : The weekly flight becomes nonstop both ways
NDJ : 5 x Weekly (4 x A319ER Dedicate + 1 x A332)
DXB : + 1 x Weekly = 13 x Weekly (B772ER + A332)
THR : + 2 x Weekly = 1 x DAILY (A332)
BEY : B773ER Daily
LAX : 17 x Weekly (DAILY B773ER + DAILY B772ER + 3 x Weekly B744)

SEL : B773ER Daily
PVG : 10 x Weekly (B772ER)

For the low summer season, SCL will be served via EZE (DAILY) but the very successful nonstop CDG-SCL relaunched this winter will be resumed next winter 2006/2007.

The B773ER will be largely deployed in Asia, serving NRT, KIX, SIN, SEL, HKG & PEK.

All the A343 fleet is now reconfigured with the new seats in two different versions :

12 a/c = 36J/236Y
8 a/c = 30J/261Y

10 A332 (out of a total of 16) are reconfigured 40J/179Y
14 B744 (out of a total of 16) are reconfigured ( 5 a/c = 17J/457Y, 9 a/c = 40J/393Y). The two last a/c (ex-Combi) will not be reconfigured with the new seats as they are due to be converted into all Freighters next year.

The first B772ER (out of 25) has been reconfigured 4P/49J/211Y with a second generation of the new Business & First class seat.

The 4 B743 based at ORY should all be retired next summer.
The first B773ER in a two Class high density config., to be used on the Caribbean/Indian Ocean network will join the fleet next june.
It will start to operate ORY-PTP on june 12th (one of the two DAILY flights) and ORY-FDF on June 19th. Those two destinations will be completely served by the B773ER starting August 2006 (2 x Daily to both PTP & FDF)

A total of 7 B773ER (Config : 14J/36S/422M) will be used on this network to replace the 4 B743 and 2 B744.

5 additional B773ER will be delivered from May 2007.

AF will then operate 24 B773ER + 25 B772ER.


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8060 times:

Thanks a lot for the great information, really interesting!

Patrick


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Great info, many thanks!

There have been rumors here that BEG will either receive additional 3-4 weekly frequencies or that a larger aircraft will be deployed due to better than expected performance on the route.

Also, a daily LYN rotation using an ERJ was mentioned as a distant possibility.

Do you have any info on that?



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineJMO-777 From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 501 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Hi!
Many thanks for the update. especially about the 777s.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The first B772ER (out of 25) has been reconfigured 4P/49J/211Y with a second generation of the new Business & First class seat.

But are you sure that AF is equipping the 772ER with only 4 First Class seats (2 rows of 1-"a lot of space"-1)?
Wasn't the new seat layout supposed to be 8P/49J/197Y ?
Or did they change their mind into a newer one?

Jan



~~~ Fly with a Triple Seven and you feel like in heaven ~~~
User currently offlineCuprita From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7918 times:

¿¿¿¿¿ 24 B777-300ER ?????.....only have 16 in order.....

[Edited 2006-02-16 19:56:39]


PANASONIC DMZ-FZ5
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

Tks for the update.

Will GRU continue to receive the extra 3 weekly A330 in addition to the daily B772?

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The second DAILY flight to MEX (A343)

Excellent news for MEX, which now gest 3 daily AF/KL flights!

Rgs,


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7737 times:

interesting FlySCC
I was told by an AF crew that the hi-density 773 for the west indies will be configured 3-4-3 in eco instead of 3-3-3 in a normal 773: do you know if it's true?



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7685 times:

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 4):
¿¿¿¿¿ 24 B777-300ER ?????.....only have 16 in order.....

I´m quite sure they also lease some from ILFC.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 4):
????? 24 B777-300ER ?????.....only have 16 in order.....

12 B773ER are already in service.
7 are due to be delivered between May 2006 and May 2007
5 more will be delivered delivered between June and Nov 2007.

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 6):
I was told by an AF crew that the hi-density 773 for the west indies will be configured 3-4-3 in eco instead of 3-3-3 in a normal 773: do you know if it's true?

Yes. As I mentioned above the configuration will be :

14 J (2 rows of 2 x 3 x 2)
36 S ("Alizée Class", a Premium economy available only on the Caribbean/Indian Ocean network with 3 x 3 x 3 )
422 M (Tempo Vacances/discount Economy - 3 x 4 x 3 )
PTV in all classes including M

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
Will GRU continue to receive the extra 3 weekly A330 in addition to the daily B772?

Yes. a minimum of 3 weekly flights will continue next summer in addition to the Daily B772ER, with a possible upgrade to 5 x Weekly if AF can have the traffic rights.

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 3):
Wasn't the new seat layout supposed to be 8P/49J/197Y ?

That was the initial plan.
It is now 4P (1 x 2 x 1 ) / 49J / 211Y.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
There have been rumors here that BEG will either receive additional 3-4 weekly frequencies or that a larger aircraft will be deployed due to better than expected performance on the route.

The Daily flight CDG-BEG is regularly operated by an A319 or A320 instead of the scheduled B735 to face the demand.
But AF is now codesharing with JAT on the line, offering 17 x Weekly flights ( 1 x Daily AF, 1 x Daily JAT, 3 x Weekly JAT Fri,Sat,Sun).

No direct flight from LYS for the moment ... but it is rumored, due to the important Serbian community in Lyon area.
I heard of a possible 2 x Weekly flights on week ends with A319, but nothing official.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11421 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7479 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
Yes. a minimum of 3 weekly flights will continue next summer in addition to the Daily B772ER, with a possible upgrade to 5 x Weekly if AF can have the traffic rights.

Hi FlySSC, AF has the rights for more 4 weekly flights (up to 21 weekly for AF, 14+7 JJ+RG), but loads on daily light seems not so good as 0454/0442 GRU/GIG flights. Rumors on Infraero that AF will ask for more frequencies to Rio starting on november, but nothing confirmed yet and i appreciate if you can verify/confirm/comment this.

If AF is looking for 3 more frequencies to GIG , so your info is perfect, there are no free frequencies to Brazil (only 1).

Some inside numbers from some CDG flights to Brazil on the last 7 days (source: a qualified Infraero staff member) :

Feb, 15 (arrivals)
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPQ PAXS: 232
TAM8097 GRU 0550 PT-MVH PAXS: 164
TAM8099 GRU 0620 PT-MVC PAXS: 166
VRG8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTH PAXS: 208
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GITE PAXS: 358

Feb, 14 (arrivals)
AFR0456 GRU 1930 F-GZCJ PAXS: 132
VRG8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTK PAXS: 173
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GITH PAXS: 382

Feb, 10 (arrivals)
AFR0456 GRU 1930 F-GZCN PAXS: 143
VRG8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTK PAXS: 233
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPL PAXS: 235
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GISC PAXS: 435

Feb, 09 (arrivals)
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPI PAXS: 231
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GITE PAXS: 404

Feb, 08 (arrivals)
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPJ PAXS: 225
RG 8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTH PAXS: 206
(GIG not informed)

Feb, 07 (arrivals)
AFR0456 GRU 1930 F-GZCI PAXS: 064
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPQ PAXS: 203
(GIG not informed)

Loads on the daily light CDG-GRU are not so good. Increase the number of frequencies seems will be not helpful.

Remember that feb is still high-season (not so good as january) in Brazil.

*Edit - Flight CDG-GIG Feb 16 / Arriving GIG @ 0740 Feb17 (this friday) 422 pax - F-GISD


Felipe

[Edited 2006-02-17 03:44:53]


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineAF773 From France, joined Dec 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

Hello,

Speaking of summer schedule, does anyone know why AF is droping their first daily flight into ATL this summer in favour of DL?

Cheerios,

AF773



Next flights: AF ORY-TLN-ORY; CDG-BOD-CDG; KL CDG-AMS-ADD-AMS-CDG; AF CDG-ATL; DL ATL-MSY-ATL; AF ATL-CDG
User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

Hello FLYSSC,

Thanks for th info on AF fleet and schedules.
Concerning the reconfiguration of AF B772ER, can you tell us which is the registration of the first B772ER to get the new interiors ?
Thanks !


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

It is also interesting to note that, for the first time, AF will continue nonstop CDG-SGN flights during the summer schedule. Normally the operation reverts to CDG-BKK-SGN/HAN for the summer. However, this summer AF will operate 3 weekly nonstop CDG-SGN, 3 weekly CDG-BKK-HAN and 4 weekly CDG-BKK terminator services.

User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

This may have been announced earlier - but I missed it - AF adds a second frequency IAH-CDG operating five days a week with an A332 and B777, starts on 09May06.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 11):
Concerning the reconfiguration of AF B772ER, can you tell us which is the registration of the first B772ER to get the new interiors ?

It's F-GSPA.

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 13):
This may have been announced earlier - but I missed it - AF adds a second frequency IAH-CDG operating five days a week with an A332 and B777, starts on 09May06.

The second CDG-IAH-CDG (A332) will be DAILY this summer.
This second frequency should be kept 5 x Weekly next winter.

Quoting AF773 (Reply 10):
Speaking of summer schedule, does anyone know why AF is droping their first daily flight into ATL this summer in favour of DL?

That was a deal with DL :
AF dropped 1 flight to CDG-ATL in favour of DL
DL dropped 1 flight JFK-CDG. AF didn't add frequencies to JFK this summer
but increased the capacity offered on the 5 x DAILY flight, with the "return" of a B744 to JFK.


User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

July - August :

TUN : 5th daily flight to CDG on days 1---567
CMN : 5th daily flight to CDG



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Any word about the last B737's leaving the fleet? Operating such a small independent fleet cannot be wise economically and operationally in the long run.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 16):
Any word about the last B737's leaving the fleet?

The B735 are progressively retired.
Only 11 aircraft are still in service. They should all be phased out by next April 2007.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
Yes. a minimum of 3 weekly flights will continue next summer in addition to the Daily B772ER, with a possible upgrade to 5 x Weekly if AF can have the traffic rights.

Tks for reminding me on the limitations imposed by bilaterals.

I also think that AF would first go for two daily GRU instead of increasing frequencies of its daily GIG dlight.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Loads on the daily light CDG-GRU are not so good. Increase the number of frequencies seems will be not helpful.

Lipe: se my reply above. I think AF will first go for two daily GRU instead of increasing flights to GIG. This because although GIG has high loads, its yields are very fragile. GRU, on the contrary, is a typical very strong high yielding destination. Have you looked at the configuration of AF's B772ER to GRU? 50% of the plane space is reserved for biz and first class.

If AF gets the rights, I'm sure that we will see 3 daily AF/KL to GRU by the end of the year, in addition to the already daily AF GIG flight.

Rgs,


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Too bad SJO is not in the list of new destinations...in CostaRica I saw a huge sign saying...AF direct SJO-CDG flights...now that's what I call wrong publicity (i'm sure its passing via MIA just as Martinair advertises direct flights to AMS from SJO)


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User currently offlineAF773 From France, joined Dec 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

I was hoping they would add CPT with their own bird as they use to have back in the old days.

And still dreaming about SEA and MSP...



Next flights: AF ORY-TLN-ORY; CDG-BOD-CDG; KL CDG-AMS-ADD-AMS-CDG; AF CDG-ATL; DL ATL-MSY-ATL; AF ATL-CDG
User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

What will happen to the two 744 withdrawn from ORY? Will they be transferred to CDG, refurbished, and pressed into long-haul service, or will they be sold off?


Boston, USA
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6901 times:
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As I always said FLYSSC, you're a real AF Bible !!!  Wink


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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
12 B773ER are already in service.
7 are due to be delivered between May 2006 and May 2007
5 more will be delivered delivered between June and Nov 2007.

You mentioned above the EZE/SCL leg is always very successful... Do you see this route changing to the 773 eventually?


User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The second DAILY flight to MEX (A343)



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
Excellent news for MEX, which now gest 3 daily AF/KL flights

Plus AeroMexicos own flights that I think are also codeshared with Air France...

regards AeroMexico777



"When the hope of dying becomes the only reason to live..." Die Laughing (Gothic), Safe little world.
25 AF773 : Looks like PHL's daily flight got an upgrade from 332 to 343 Any other aircraft changes?
26 FlySSC : The B773ER will take over the B744 on the routes ORY-PTP, ORY-FDF next summer 2006 and ORY-RUN starting Feb.2007 The B744 in use on these flights are
27 American 767 : That's what I was going to ask. I knew that by early next year the B737's would be gone but I was curious to know more about those. Can you tell me o
28 Post contains images FlySSC : Actually, the B735 are still used on many routes of AF network including domestic flights, all from CDG. They are of course on "secondary" routes but
29 Vega : They're happy cause they just moved to their own gate (#15) in A-West and away from the DL crowd.
30 Misbeehavin : That is correct. What will happen is that DL will reduce JFK-CDG by switching its JFK-CDG-BOM flight to ATL. Since this will add a 5th daily ATL-CDG
31 Airlinefreak1 : FlySSC , since you're knowledgeable about AF , im currently thinking of getting a reward ticket with either AF or KL to DXB in either F or J class, in
32 FlySSC : By Dec.06, all the A332 will be reconfigured in J/Y with the new NEV seats, so I would recommand you to chose this flight in J The B772ER still have
33 TGV : Well that was true until last Sunday (the 12th) ! I booked the non-stop flights CDG-SGN for early May this Sunday on the AF website, and everything w
34 Airlinefreak1 : FlySSC thanks for that . ill prob do that then . Shame the A330's to DXB wont feature First class , abit odd since amadeus reservations still show tha
35 Cgnnrw : Looks like PHL's daily flight got an upgrade from 332 to 343 Any other aircraft changes? Interesting...this must mean AF is doing well on PHL service.
36 Airlinefreak1 : FlySSC , one last thing , do you think the A330's will be reconfigured with the NEV seats by end of august/ begining of sept. and will feature on the
37 HB-IWC : Thanks for that info. I last checked on Monday, and the nonstop was still loaded. I was already looking forward to some cheap Z fares in Business, bu
38 AA777 : 472 PAX? 3-4-3 in Y class? That sounds NOT fun at all. The 777 should be 3-3-3- or 2-5-2.... I flew on two of AF's 772ERs in January, and 3-3-3 confi
39 FlySSC : Normaly theu should. AF operates 16 A332. 10 of them are already reconfigured at the date of Feb.16th. The 6 remaining a/c are schedulled to be all r
40 ZK-NBT : Out of interest how do AF's PPT flights perform? I ask because I see that TN are struggling and they fly through to CDG and AF still serve PPT both vi
41 FlySSC : Yep ! you got it ! That would be the most logical thing to do. Just like AF & UTA were doing until 1992. NO. Why would they resume a non profitable r
42 ZK-NBT : Ok. Thanks for the quick reply. It doesn't make sense to me that TN fly to CDG when they are struggling when they could surely arrange something with
43 FlySSC : You are absolutely right ... except about KIX. There is a huge tourist potential from Japan. The problem with TN is their fleet. The A340 is too big
44 Gkirk : Is there any chance that NCL-CDG could be upgraded to AF Mainline anytime in the future? Currently it operates 3 Daily CRJ-700s, but I understand the
45 FlySSC : 123 seats. Probably not. AF would rather add a CRJ frequency to increase the capacity offered if the traffic/demand requires.
46 TGV : I had the chance of getting such a Z fare ! Apparently there are still some Z possibilities (CDG-SGN May 03, SGN-CDG May 16), but fewer obviously.
47 Mindscape : FLYSSC, Concerning the interior reconfiguration of AF B772ER fleet, you said it is with a second generation of new First and Business seats. Have you
48 N1120A : So, will those 744BCF's remain in the Air France fleet at Air France Cargo?
49 FrenchPilot : Hi does anyone know about news about CityJet (WX) flights for the summer season???? I hope we get some great destinations ...... that would be a good
50 FlySSC : They will. F-GISA/SB in 2007. A third a/c in 2008. And probably more from AF, KL and maybe second hand according to the rumor, as AF wants to get rid
51 FlySSC : Maybe the high season for GIG, but not for GRU and a very low season in Europe. It explains the poors loads on the day light flight. The overall resu
52 SoBe : Someone may know better than I, but I believe Direct means the flight number does not change. It does not mean nonstop.
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