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Colombia Wants Alitalia Back...  
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Posted (8 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Within the International Tourism Fair (BIT) in Milan, the Colombian participation will include the Vice-President of Colombia to meet with high management of Alitalia to explore the possibilities of having them back.
10 journalists from Italy were invited to explore the tourist destinations and they were really pleased but lack of direct flights from Italy was a concern.

Related articles in Spanish:
http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/viaj/20...LO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-2745395.html


http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/viaj/20...LO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-2745398.html

Colombia will participate on the BIT to promote the country's tourist destinations and will have some of the most of the country's traditional spoke persons:
"Juan Valdez" and the 2006 national beauty queen.



Is it feasible for AZ to go back to Colombia taking into account all the financial problems that they currently have?


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Thread starter):
Is it feasible for AZ to go back to Colombia taking into account all the financial problems that they currently have?

that is the big question, + if the 767-300 can it make nonstop out of BOG to MXP, I am sure that AZ could fill the flights, even they are filling up currently there CCS flights with passengers from Colombia...

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

767-300ER - Range with design payload with PW-4060s 10,880km (5875nm), with CF6-80C2B4Fs 10,195km (5505nm)
Source: Airliners

MXP-BOG is 9084 km it should be able to do the route with reasonable payloads... Maybe not year-round...
It depends on the engine Alitalia uses as well.
I think it could be a profitable route.
The problem is even in who'll win the elections in Italy in April... the deals with the trade unions and the politics of the company will have a strong influence on what will come out of the company which is still non-profitable and unable to deal with new LCC's. Even the profitable part of the company (the maintenance which was more than excellent working even for LH i reckon) has been ruined. Hopefully something will change.
Ciao
Joe


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

I think the route could work, some time ago they made some sort of survey and Italy is the second country where Colombians travel the most in Europe besides Spain (I thought it was France or the UK).

If everything goes well politics-wise and they find a suitable plane it could work good.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 2):
MXP-BOG is 9084 km it should be able to do the route with reasonable payloads... Maybe not year-round...
It depends on the engine Alitalia uses as well.

AZ uses the CF6-80 if I'm not mistaken.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 3):
I think the route could work

I am sure the route would work (AZ flights in the past to BOG were mostly very good booked)....



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

It would be totally awesome to see AZ back in Colombia flying BOG-MXP. I'm sure the flights could fill up fairly easy. I'd fly the route if I were back living in Colombia. Seeing AZ come back to markets like BOG or SFO would be great. Hopefully with more planes, routes like this could come back.

-Copa


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Thread starter):
Colombia to meet with high management of Alitalia to explore the possibilities of having them back.
10 journalists from Italy were invited to explore the tourist destinations and they were really pleased but lack of direct flights from Italy was a concern.

I don't think that missing flights to Columbia are the main issue to Columbia's tourism industry. As long as security does meet international standards Columbia will not attract anything but some individual tourists and backpackers.

And with Cuba, DomRep, Jamaica and Yucatan/Cancun being nearer to Europe and the States they have a geographical problem anyway. Venezuela as a Columbian neighbor is even a relatively safe country, but also has not got a tourism industry as big as e.g. Cuba ... It's not always about flights ...


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 1543 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 7):
I don't think that missing flights to Columbia are the main issue to Columbia's tourism industry. As long as security does meet international standards Columbia will not attract anything but some individual tourists and backpackers.

And with Cuba, DomRep, Jamaica and Yucatan/Cancun being nearer to Europe and the States they have a geographical problem anyway. Venezuela as a Columbian neighbor is even a relatively safe country, but also has not got a tourism industry as big as e.g. Cuba ... It's not always about flights ...

Many things develop in our heads. You know for sure all the bad news coming up in TV about Colombian terrorists kidnapping people and asking money for, or hearing stories about the drug mafia. But this is only one aspect of the country which is by the way spelled Colombia (with O) Columbia is somewhere else  Wink

This nice country in Nothern South America indeed suffers from crime, but it's not the only place having this problem. Many other places with big safety problems are traveled very frequently. it's basically a question where in Colombia you go and how you do this. What you name, going as a backpacker is probably about the unsafest way to go there, as backpackers normally travel individually by bus etc. Colombia has many places, absolutely safe, Cartagena or San Andres are only two of them to name.
Colombia is also one of the countries in South America with the most continuous economy and this not because of drugs! Have once a look, when you go to the supermarket how many things are from Colombia you buy in Germany. This starts up with coffee goes trough fruits and ends up with the fresh roses we buy here in winter. They have a strong export and related to that strong economical ties with the world. Looking up, how many Colombians are living over Europe apart from Spain shows the potential for flights as well.

Increasing numbers in tourism would indeed be very good for the country. For both aspetcs, the economy and the reputation of the country. If you have a chance, visit once, I am pretty sure you will love it. Temperatures at altitude, nicely cool, we Europeans do like very much, tropical beaches in the heat, snowy mountains and very nice and friendly people. The country is pretty well organized and you will find around with all real fast. Finally for us airplane-sexulas, it is an aviators country, having a long tradition in airtransport. In Villavicenco (short flight by Aires from BOG) you can find real nice vintage airliners.
Have a good time,

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 1543 times:

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 8):
which is by the way spelled Colombia (with O) Columbia is somewhere else Wink

Ok, my apologies. In German it's spelled with a 'u'; that's why i spelled it wrong.

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 8):
Many other places with big safety problems are traveled very frequently. it's basically a question where in Colombia you go and how you do this. What you name, going as a backpacker is probably about the unsafest way to go there, as backpackers normally travel individually by bus etc. Colombia has many places, absolutely safe, Cartagena or San Andres are only two of them to name.

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I did not question that reality often looks different from reputation, but what's in the news has an enormous impact on people's travelling habbits.

Backpacking might be the unsafest way (anywhere in the world!), but these people often belong to breed that simply doesn't care! But that's the reason backpackers are often the first to reinitiate tourism in country after a longer period of war.

I just returned from Cambodia and that is exactly what I witnessed. Siem Reap is safe und relatively wealthy and has lots of medium and high-budget tourist, Phnom Penh is somewhere in between and if go down to Sihanoukville, which is still considered to be unsafe, the only people you meet are backpackers hanging out on Serendipity Beach ...


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Padspot, that may be the biggest difference with Colombia. Not only did we go from 350.000 foreign tourists in 2002 to over 1.000.000 in 2005, but most of the traditional places tourist come in Colombia are already catering and receiving middle and high end tourists who have been attracted by word of mouth. Cities such as Cartagena recieve cruiseships, direct international scheduled flights and charters. Same goes for some other regions. Backpackers (and have a look at the Lonely Planet guide) have discovered Colombia in the last few years and for very many of them, it has become their favourite country in S.A. So now the government is concentrating on certain markets to try and change this image, markets that are not as influenced by the international media, and that have generated important traffic to our country in the recent past. Spain as an example has Air Madrid and soon Air Asturias with flights into Cartagena.

User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 7):
I don't think that missing flights to Columbia are the main issue to Columbia's tourism industry. As long as security does meet international standards Columbia will not attract anything but some individual tourists and backpackers.

The point is that Colombia is inviting the journalists and travel agencies to bring more tourists to the country. They already visited it and were very pleased, they were happy to see that there is definitely a "new" destination that they can promote in Italy, but again, direct flights was the main issue...

I live abroad (in the US) and I can understand what a foreigner may think about traveling for pleasure to Colombia and that is exactly what the government is trying to improve.
The fact is, Colombia is a country were it is still dangerous if you go to certain rural and inhabited areas, but on the metropolitan areas and tourist destinations, it is just as a regular latam city but in most cases with better infrastructure and services (specially air services)...
I was the first one that wouldn't take a car to go between cities in Colombia, but since President Uribe assumed its role, security has improved so much that the internal tourist economy has improved dramatically. I went to the coffee growing area of the country a few months ago, and I had one of the best times ever in Colombia.. went kajaking, hiking, walk and drive to towns.. it was amazing.. we are still at war against the guerrillas but not on the metropolitan areas..

I recommend to everyone but specially to foreigners to read these two articles from the New York Times, to get a third party (non-Colombian) idea of what's going on:
This one about going to BOG: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/travel/12bogota.html

This one about the coffee trail: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/travel/12coffee.html with great pictures of the peasants and their life..



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