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JetBlue Making Lots Of Fuel Stops Tonight (2/16)  
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13921 times:
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Obviously all the flights are heading westbound. The jet stream is much stronger than normal today and yesterday. This can't help B6's fuel costs or on time percentage any.

Diversions so far tonight:
Flight# City Pair Diverted(ing) to
351 JFK-BUR LAS
93 JFK-OAK LAS (SLC last night)
205 JFK-LGB LAS
169 JFK-OAK LAS (DEN last night)
355 JFK-BUR LAS (PHX last night, DTW on the 13th)
489 JFK-LGB LAS (LAS last night, OKC on the 14th)
306 IAD-LGB LAS
359 JFK-BUR LAS
95 JFK-OAK LAS (LAS last night, DEN on the 14th)
181 JFK-SAN PHX
221 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
219 JFK-LGB PHX (LAS last night)
481 BOS-LGB SLC (DEN last night)
475 BOS-OAK SLC (DEN last night, DEN on the 14th)
101 JFK-OAK SLC (DEN last night)
209 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
471 BOS-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
215 JFK-LGB SLC (PHX yesterday)
357 JFK-BUR SLC (DEN yesterday)
91 JFK-OAK SLC (PHX yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
173 JFK-SJC SLC (DEN yesterday)
107 JFK-OAK SLC (LAS yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
477 BOS-OAK SLC (OKC yesterday, DEN on the 14th)
185 JFK-SAN SLC (PHX yesterday)
171 JFK-SMF SLC (SLC on the 14th)
217 JFK-LGB DEN (LAS yesterday)
321 IAD-OAK DEN
89 JFK-ONT DEN (LAS yesterday)
483 JFK-LAS DEN

That's all I can find for now..

[Edited 2006-02-17 05:02:59]


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD.
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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13921 times:

Are other carriers making similar stops?

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User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13921 times:

Air Canada Calgary-Cancun A321 today - stop in Winnipeg
Air Canada New York JFK-Vancouver A319 today - stop in Winnipeg



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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13921 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Obviously all the flights are heading westbound. The jet stream is much stronger than normal today and yesterday. This can't help B6's fuel costs or on time percentage any

Look how much they are saving flying eastbound  Wink

Is this just happening to B6, or are AA, UA, WN, or anybody else having to make fuel stops ?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13921 times:
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Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 3):
Look how much they are saving flying eastbound

True, but considering they have to pay landing fees etc. westbound that they wouldn't have to otherwise as well as the additional fuel to climb back up again it's costing them a lot more than they are saving.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 3):
Is this just happening to B6, or are AA, UA, WN, or anybody else having to make fuel stops ?

WN isn't that I know of, there longest route, PHL-OAK, made it n/s just fine. The 73G's have no problem making these, just are carrying a little extra fuel. AA doesn't have the A320, so they shouldn't have a problem. I don't see any UA flights diverting.



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD.
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13921 times:

Yes, the jetstream dropped down here to LA, bringing really cold air and some wind and there will be rain.

Only 3 days ago it was 90F outside my door. Today the high was about 60F, and now it's in the high 40s.

When the jetstream dips like this, some airlines fly "around" it, but I don't think the A320 series has the legs to fly around or to fly through it, so they have to take on more fuel. Just a rare situation this time of year though, really.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7305 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13921 times:
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We had two diversions to AUS for fuel, en route to MEM.

Our 1030p flight also is delayed 45 min due to weather at MEM.

Regards.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1496 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13921 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
When the jetstream dips like this, some airlines fly "around" it, but I don't think the A320 series has the legs to fly around or to fly through it, so they have to take on more fuel. Just a rare situation this time of year though, really.

Yeah, one drawback to the A32x family in the U.S. is that the range envelope only leaves room for about 30-60 minutes extra burn on most Westbound transcons. IIRC the A319 does slightly better b/c it has same engines, weighs less and has the same fuel capacity as the 320.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Yes, the jetstream dropped down here to LA, bringing really cold air and some wind and there will be rain.

Watch out, rain in LAX is like snow an Ice storm in ATL. Locals don't know how to drive in either!  Smile



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13921 times:

Alaska #5 made it DCA-LAX, but is took a looooooong time.


737-700
Flight time scheduled: 5 hrs 46 min
Actual flight today : 6 hrs 38 min
Load: 12/111 out of 12/112
Fuel Load: 39.0

737 doesn't seem to have the problem.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13921 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
Watch out, rain in LAX is like snow an Ice storm in ATL. Locals don't know how to drive in either!

People in LA can't drive when the road is dry, I would not want to be there when it rains. From here on out I am flying into LAX, not driving.

The jet stream is dipping big time. It is even getting chilly here. The Lake Mead area barely got out of the 50s.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13921 times:

Quoting MEL (Reply 2):
Air Canada New York JFK-Vancouver A319 today - stop in Winnipeg

That is quite surprising. Perhaps they didn't think they would need to load as much fuel. I understand an A320 getting knocked down, but A319s should have enough range in reserve.



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User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13881 times:

1120A, The 319 has more range but not that much,few hundred miles in practicality.737NG's and 757 have lots more range when you get into flight planning.Airbus 320 family are good for east coast west coast 95% of the time ,this is that 5%.

User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13795 times:

Does anyone see this as a long term problem for jetBlue in terms of cost? 22 fuel stops at least to me is a huge amount of money to spend. Even if this only happens a few times a year it must cost jetBlue a few hundred thousand in extra expenses. Not to start an A vs. B war but it would certainly seem to me that the 737 would have been a better choice for and airline with so many supposed non-stop transcons. Any insight on this?

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13786 times:

Looks like another day with a strong (160-180 kts.) jetstream...  Sad



User currently offlineGreenguy01 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13774 times:

USAirways was making tech-stops out of PHL yesterday on their transcons also. I'm sure that anyone flying Airbiii yesterday from the east coast to the west coast was making tech-stops.


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13729 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 13):
Looks like another day with a strong (160-180 kts.) jetstream...

Great!! I love spending 45 minutes to fuel an MD80. Had to put 44,000 lbs on TOL-LAS last night when it usually takes 35,000 lbs. Hopefully they sent us another MD80 with Aux tanks...if not...It'll stop somewhere  Wink


User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13626 times:

So far the flights I have checked for UA last night to SFO and LAX were 30 minutes over target

User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13592 times:

Delta fuel stops due to winds aloft. 2/16

381 CVG PHX OKC M88
1091 CVG PHX OKC M90
499 ATL PHX DFW M88
627 ATL TUS ELP M88

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User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13282 times:

I bet Jet Blue had to been thinking......HMMM shoulda bought Boeing. Oh well, too late. I am a f/a for AirTran and we fly the 737-700's from Atl to the west coast. SFO,LAX and LAS. Never, even with the most severe headwinds have we ever had to divert for fuel. I love Airbus for the comfort level but the truth is Boeing definately has longer legs. Would hate to see that fuel bill!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13261 times:

Quoting Filejw (Reply 11):
1120A, The 319 has more range but not that much,few hundred miles in practicality.737NG's and 757 have lots more range when you get into flight planning.Airbus 320 family are good for east coast west coast 95% of the time ,this is that 5%.

The 757 has lots more range, yes, but the 737NG's only have slightly (though noticably) more range than their A320 Family counterparts. The A319 has nearly 500nm more range than the A320 and would have significantly less issue with the flights.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6398 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13212 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 13):
Looks like another day with a strong (160-180 kts.) jetstream...

Hey OPNL, what are the "floating" numbers on the chart? Is this the tropopause level?

Just wondering, us low-altitude guys don't look athe high altitude stuff much (except as needed for passing FAA exams  Wink )

Thanks!



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13208 times:

I bet all the US Airways A321 transcons to SFO/PHX/LAX are tech-stopping. Those things barely have the legs to make it transcon as it is.

[Edited 2006-02-17 20:42:31]


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13165 times:

Quoting Tbird (Reply 12):
Not to start an A vs. B war but it would certainly seem to me that the 737 would have been a better choice for and airline with so many supposed non-stop transcons. Any insight on this?

AFAIK, the A320 is more economical under normal operating conditions. since conditions such as the current jetstream are fairly un-common, im sure that the A320 makes up the economics during the rest of the year. otherwise, LCCs such as jetblue probably would have gone for boeings...


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13108 times:

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 22):
AFAIK, the A320 is more economical under normal operating conditions. since conditions such as the current jetstream are fairly un-common, im sure that the A320 makes up the economics during the rest of the year.

Actually, the 737 has lower fuel burn, lower landing costs (lower weight) and a lower CASM combined with longer range and higher dispatch reliability. Additionaly, maintaniance costs are lower on the 737.

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 22):
otherwise, LCCs such as jetblue probably would have gone for boeings...

Actually, B6 was ready to sign for 738s and F9 had signed an LOI for 73Gs. The problem was that the Boeing sales team didn't take them seriously and made WAY too many demands and not enough price concessions. Airbus came in and made a more competitive offer. in case you are forgetting, the world's largest LCC is an all Boeing airline.



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13093 times:

i hadnt forgotten. i was just under the impression that the A320 was a more economical aircraft, hence the incredible sales figure last year. but im happy to be corrected!

25 Jumbojet : JetBlue making more diversions today, 2/17 probably same reasons as yesterday
26 Ikramerica : Tell me about it. I'm a great snow driver, let alone rain driver, but when it rains here, I try to stay off the road because everyone else is freakin
27 N1120A : Actually, you are wrong here. The A320-200 and A319-100 were specifically designed with the range to do US transcons, which is why United bought them
28 Richierich : Isn't ATL-LAX considerably shorter (500 miles or so) than NYC-LAX?
29 Laxintl : Some are indeed making stops in MCI. However on a strictly technical point of view, the A321-200 does have in general longer legs then the A320, as t
30 ChiGB1973 : No real insight other than this is a yearly problem and always will be with this aircraft. It was a bad business decision not to buy something that c
31 Jacobin777 : B6 pax are loyal........a "diversion" won't stop them from flying on B6.......if it happens to a pax a few times however, then there might be some pr
32 Flyboy7974 : i think the subject behind United Airlines buying Airbus a/c has a lot more to do than the range of the a/c being able to fly transcons. Heated debate
33 ChiGB1973 : They were loyal to another carrier 6-7 years ago too. M
34 Donder10 : OPNL, where did you get that chart from out of interest? Thanks a lot,Alex
35 Petmbro : In February 2004 I remember there was a similar weather system on my FLL-ATL-BDL flight on DL, when we landed in ATL the T-storms rolled in and when w
36 727forever : The reason that the A319 has the longer legs than the A320 is a matter of weight. Under most conditions the 319 can climb straight to cruise altitude
37 Post contains links OPNLguy : Right here: http://aviationweather.gov/products/swh/ Look under Mercator, area B1... This is the whole chart--I just posted a small section of it ear
38 Jacobin777 : true, but B6's service is very good (while the others have deteriorated)... and as I said, if it happens a few times to a pax, I wouldn't be surprise
39 Hawaijahaz : My brother is on the evening B6 fight from JFK to SJC. Do you think that flight will also have to make a fuel stop? thanks. Priyanshu
40 ChiGB1973 : Winds can change, but I would keep check on the flight status if you are picking him up. He would probably call from where ever they stop, if they ha
41 QANTAS747-438 : WN --- PHL-LAX stopping in TUL PHL-OAK stopping in MDW[Edited 2006-02-18 01:53:03]
42 OPNLguy : 185 PHL-LAX was going to fuelstop TUL but the payload dropped off and they were able to launch non-stop... 343 PHL-OAK was going to fuelstop at OMA,
43 Chris133 : WN BWI-lax no problem today but it did take 6:38 and the fuel load was around 41,000 (counting all the reserves)
44 Halls120 : I fly IAD-OAK three or four times a year. While I always fly UA because I'm premier elite, I wouldn't fly JetBlue even if I wasn't PE. Why fly on a "
45 N1120A : The US birds don't have the ACTs to my knowledge. Also, the ACT has, at least on the A320, proved useless They aren't. The 737 has the lower operatin
46 Halls120 : Premier executive. So sorry I made a mistake. That's one for me and dozens for you. I guess you missed the first post in this thread. IAD-OAK flight
47 N1120A : They also fly a smaller plane with less frequency. Beyond that, it is entirely possible that United's dispatchers prepared better for the strong jets
48 Notbluejet : We will see come June/July when the winglets start being tested. I have heard 4-5% increase in fuel efficiency but have also heard 2-3%. No one will k
49 Halls120 : UA also flies that route with a 757. But in any event, who cares about frequency when you have to stop to make unscheduled fuel stops? Nice try. I'm
50 Iowaman : Looks like nothing made it non-stop JFK-SJC today.
51 Jfr : On a slightly different tack...............anybody taking pictures at these F/S airports?
52 Av8rPHX : As of right now there are 5 flights inbound to MSP. JBU107 JBU173 JBU83 JBU165 JBU477
53 ChiGB1973 : Exactly! UA is great! Good choice. M
54 TokyoNarita : more Delta fuelstops 2/17 due to winds aloft 793 CVG SLC MCI M90 381 CVG PHX LIT M88 627 ATL TUS ELP M88 499 ATL PHX DFW M88 1102 ATL DEN MCI M88 Toky
55 Post contains images FCYTravis : Gosh, I didn't know the A320 aircraft couldn't fly transcon You learn something every day on A.net.
56 TWAMD-80 : Yeah I noticed this as well tonight when I was checking flytecomm. I saw that JBU219 made a stop in MKE at approx 7:48 P.M. I would guess that this is
57 Ken4556 : "1102 ATL DEN MCI M88" Wow, that is only a 1200 mile flight. Surprising!
58 OPNLguy : Not really; a 150-180 kt headwind will do that, especially if the fuel load also considers a "long" (more distant) alternate because the close-in alt
59 Vulindlela744 : Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 18): I am a f/a for AirTran and we fly the 737-700's from Atl to the west coast. SFO,LAX and LAS. Never, even with the mo
60 N1120A : Um, the airport was never actually shut down and having a jetstream like this is about as isolated as having to circle above RDU for nearly 2 hours b
61 Post contains images Kjet12 : I was at MSP tonight and saw 477 and 165 land. As you can imagine, I was quite shocked to see JetBlue in the Twin Cities. A nice suprise none the les
62 TymnBalewne : THis was due to a failure of the cockpit crew's emergency oxygen system. THe aircraft landed and had the fault rectified and then took off again for
63 Pilottim747 : Damn, I knew I should've gone home to MSP this weekend! Would've been incredible to see so many JetBlue planes at MSP. A total of seven JetBlue fligh
64 Gigneil : You want to back any of that up except the weight with facts? AVITAS frequently rates the costs of owning and operating an A319 lower than that of a
65 JetBluefan1 : Hmmm...interesting. Song 2071 from JFK-LAX diverted to MCI. Song 2022 from JFK-SFO diverted to MSP. Looks like B6 isn't the only airline having proble
66 ChiGB1973 : Was this bad planning or did they make the fuel stop to put more on because of less expensive fuel? Was it on an older 737? The -700 shouldn't have a
67 N1120A : Well, the weight thing is obvious. According to CFM, the 7B engines has lower SFC because of its more advanced systems as compares to the 5B engine,
68 Flyhigh69 : Two more diversions this afternoon for MSP : JBU 308 IAD-LGB ( landed just before 5 pm - Reg was N520JB ) JBU 471 BOS-DEN ( due to land at 7.15 CT ) A
69 Post contains images OPNLguy : You seem to have answered your own questions... The OMA fuelstop was moved to MDW since MDW is a crewbase, and they were going to be close on their t
70 Iowaman : Looks like you guys planned on making a fuel stop in MDW today on the PHL-OAK flight, but it appears to be going n/s now.
71 Bruce : Ok, I have to ask this. Why MSP??? Jetblue has to make all these stops, but they seem to like MSP. They don't even serve MSP, do they? Why not MKE, Mi
72 Brick : We got numerous jetBlue flights into Denver today. It may not have been the best choice for fuel stops however. Because of the bitter cold temperature
73 OPNLguy : Sometimes (not always), the actual payload ends up being lower than what was planned, and it's enough to permit the non-stop operation. Other times,
74 Jumbojet : The problem I see with this is say the plane goes mechanical while refuling. I'm sure the chances are slim but it can happen. at that point, wouldnt
75 OPNLguy : It's a chance, sure. If a mechanical happened, contract MX folks would still be the ones to fix it, just like they would if it happened at a Jet Blue
76 B6FA4ever : of course having your own people work on your plane is always better (and cheaper) but also too...an alternate airport that also has an A320 family M
77 Bridogger6 : B6 is by far not the only airline affected by these problems. They're wreaking havoc on HP's operations in Phoenix with more than half the flights bot
78 Cory6188 : I flew from EWR-LAX on Friday night on CO. Not only was our flight delayed by nearly an hour due to a late arriving aircraft, but we had to make a fue
79 Post contains images OPNLguy : According to the 18Z map for Sunday the 19th, it looks like another long day for anybody westbound...
80 Post contains images Iowaman : And short for me eastbound.
81 RDUDDJI : Yes, but when flying into the NY Metros it is not uncommon to be put in holding and receive an EFC time outside of your "bingo" fuel range. Especiall
82 Post contains links OPNLguy : If you want to see some big tailwinds, or evidence thereof, check out http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/ where pilots post photos of their instrument
83 CRJ900 : Does the B737-800 fly effortlessly on US transcons? Some people here seem to compare the B73G with the A320, and of course the 73G will win... But B73
84 AASTEW : AA's many B767 flights to both LAX and SFO are averaging flight times between 6hr 30mins up to 7hr 12mins. Flights are leaving on-time but arriving on
85 Bruce : OPNL, question about your map. The green shows the jetstream at that altitude but what does the other numbers mean? Like 500, 340? And I assume each o
86 Post contains images BOS2LAF : You beat me to it. In the midst of this whole A vs B pissing match, people seem to forget that B6 was set to buy the 738 not the 73G. Even if B6 went
87 Post contains images OPNLguy : The key to the NWS' map is back in reply #37.. Tropopause heights... The triangular marks are 50 kts. each, and the single hash lines are 10 kts. each
88 Deltadude8 : yesterday flew MCI-ATL....in kansas city there were 3 song birds on the ground...(quite a neat thing to see) and then 1 us air 757 and many extra airc
89 Deltadude8 : yesterday flew MCI-ATL....in kansas city there were 3 song birds on the ground...(quite a neat thing to see) and then 1 us air 757 and many extra airc
90 S12PPL : Hey, looks like the PDX flight is gonna be ok!
91 N1120A : The 738 without winglets has slightly more range than the A320. With winglets, it is no contest.
92 Tommy767 : I flew out on friday and have a good headwinds story: I woke up at 8:45am to catch AA flight 1364 to ORD to visit a friend for a few days. I called Am
93 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I've flown that route a few times before, lots of turbulence on regular days, can't imagine how it was on some of these days.. by the way, the flight
94 Coronado : Quoting Kjet12 (Reply 61): I was at MSP tonight and saw 477 and 165 land. As you can imagine, I was quite shocked to see JetBlue in the Twin Cities. A
95 Ikramerica : If the 320-200 was truly designed for these kind of routes as a smaller alternative to the 757, then it is a failure on that front, as it is pushed t
96 Post contains images Cactus739 : Since you were flying east, wouldn't these be tailwinds?
97 N1120A : United ordered the A320 and A319 specifically because they have transcon range, as did Air Canada. The A319 has more than enough range for US transco
98 AR385 : My question may sound stupid, but how does this affect North-South bound flights and vice-versa? For esxample, an ORD-MEX, or an NYC-IAH? Thanks
99 N1120A : NYC-IAH is still a fair bit westbound. Generally though, north/south flights are not affected to the same extent as east/west flights
100 OPNLguy : Today, not much. Next week, however, the jetstream could just as easily be oriented SW-NE, running from Laredo to New York, in which case NYC-IAH and
101 AR385 : Thanks a bunch. I appreciate the info.
102 ScottB : An interesting aside since NYC-IAH came up; I flew DCA-IAH on Thursday evening and we actually arrived about 15 minutes early. I was a bit surprised b
103 Apodino : This problem isn't just limited to transcons. At work today I had a ZW CRJ from PHL-MSP. Despite the CRJ having a seating capacity of 50 passengers, a
104 Pmg1704 : Actually, it will. I flew JFK-SAN non-stop on 2/13 without problems, BUT going back home SAN-JFK on jetblue on 2/17 our incoming plane was delayed wi
105 Post contains images Jacobin777 : it would be interesting to see how many would actually change carriers if this happened... "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"..
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