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Ridiculous 777 Configuration  
User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

In all this sadness over the Concorde incident, I found something very funny (not intended to be by BA, but it still is). Take a look at this 777 configuration. I'd hate to sit in that for a long flight: http://www.britishairways.com/flights/factfile/seatplan/docs/boeing777.shtml

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User currently offline777x From United States of America, joined Dec 2014, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

NO WAY! 3x4x3 on a 777! Argh! I wouldn't like to be on that plane!

What routes does BA use these cattle cars on?

Regards
777x



User currently offlineBobo2196 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

what a stupid configuration! Is this plane used for charters or something? For gosh sakes, it isnt a 747! Its probably horribly cramped! Good thing im flying BA 747-200 from DTW-LHR instead.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

Emirates fly their 777s in a 3-4-3 configuration too. The 777 cabin is just slightly narrower than a 747's, so its probably not too bad.

User currently offlineSabol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

I've flown on Malaysia B772 which has very
uncomfortable configuration 2x5x2, and unfortunately
I was seated JUST in the middle! The worst configuration that could be for 13h flight - 3x3x3 is much better. You must ask 2 people every time you
want to go to lavatory, from both sides! It was annoying.

regards,
Matej Sabol -Concorde victims R.I.P.-


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

When in a 3x4x3 configuration such as on BA's "Tropical" 777's, the seats are the exact same width as the A340/A330--17.3". Hardly cramped.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offline777x From United States of America, joined Dec 2014, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Sabol
in 3x3x3 at the both window seats you have to ask 2 people to move - in a 2x5x2 arrangement there is only one person per row in that situation, vs 2 people per row in a 3x3x3 config

Regards
777x


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

I believe the only thing that is really affected when an operator goes to a 10 abreast config in a 777 is that the aisles are marginally narrower. Otherwise the seat width should remain the same... give or take half an inch.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

I think that the 3x3x3 is much better than the 2x5x2. I flew in the center of the 2x5x2 on DC-10s, MD-11s, L-1011s and 777s trans altantic, transcon and trans pacific on AA md-11, 777, DC-10, CO DC-10 , TWA L-1011, Delta L-1011 MD-11,etc it is not comfortable at all. Atleast with 3x3x3 you are one seat away from the aisle or window. I would really like it if airlines went for 2x4x3 like KLM and swissair did with their MD-11s. the 2x5x2 sardine config has got to go!!!


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineSabol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

777x,
that is clear to me, but in 2x5x2 is bigger chance to
sit in the middle 5-seat column, and as I said (wrote),
I was siting in the very middle seat, so I had to ask 2
people, not 1 as by the window (and it's always better
to sit by the window! ).

regards,
Matej Sabol


User currently offlineOozabooza From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

I'm surprised they didn't try to fit another '7' into that 777.

User currently offlineTailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Wouldn't call that configuration "ridiculous". Experienced it on EK many times, no different to standard Y-class comfort.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

3-4-3 what a horror   .
I will enjoy my flight next Saturday on a SR A 330-200: 2-4-2  


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

I thought this topic was about a 777 configuration of 3-4-3 (i.e 10 abreast) as opposed to the standard 9 abreast seating (whether in a 2-5-2, or 3-3-3). I think we've heard enough statistical ramblings of the virtues of 3-3-3 viz a viz 2-5-2 on this site to last us a lifetime.

As Tailscraper said, it's hardly ridiculous. May result in narrower aisles or a marginally narrower seat, but not by much.


User currently offlineJmc777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

I actually work on this particular aircraft, and it is fine!!

Yes you're right the aisles are narrower, but it looks much worse in a picture than in reality.

The legroom isn't affected at all, The BA DC-10's were all configured 3-4-3 or 2-5-2 and the 777 is wider.(the DC-10 used to operate these routes)

It is a great aircraft to work on although it is very busy because of the sheer number of pax carried.

There is no first class, 28 Club World and 355 World Traveller.

There are three aircraft in this config and they fly to:
KIN
MBJ
ANU
UVF
CUN
TPA
TAB
GND
HAV

All these route have been deemed to be unprofitable using first class during the summer as they are primarily leisure routes and they compete with all the UK charter airlines and Virgin 747 3-4-3. Almost all the flights are absolutely chocker block full and over booked all the time. If they put any other config on, they could not meet the demand.

All seats have the pvt's with 12 channels, legroom of between 31-33 inches coach and a recline of 5 degrees it was 7 degrees but it was way to much.

Service runs smooth and there are enough facilites for all, so until you try it don't knock it!!!   

cya jmc777


User currently offlineMarair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

When I fly all I care about is elbow/shoulder room. If I sat there with my elbows tucked into my ribcage for6+ hours I am sure I would became one of those airrage incidents.

Do they have special carts for those 3-4-3 777's?



User currently offlineKlm-md-11 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Actually, the 3-4-3 configuration ain't that bad at all...I flew on a CZ 777, and it was quite comfortable....

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

As an interesting sidenote, during the design of the 777 Cathay Pacific was strongly in favor of a slightly wider cabin to support a ten-abreast setup, however CX operates their 777's in a 9 abreast setup... I remeber reading in Aviation Week that they found that the aisles would be too narrow for their liking when it came to servicing passengers onboard. But that is purely an operational decision by each individual operator. All in all it only makes the aisles marginally narrower and the seats slightly narrower.

Though one thing I do find interesting is that Asian and Middle Eastern operators really pack them in on the 777s... around 350 in a -200, while US operators barely put 300 in them, even UA's 2 class 777s just seat around 320, and AA doesn't have more than 240 or so seats on board.

One more thing that I find amusing... people bitch and moan over narrowbodies on long haul flights and then turn around and bitch and moan over a 2-5-2 or 3-4-3 setup on widebodies... seems some people will never be happy.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (14 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

FLY777UAL is right, according to the boeing web site, 3-4-3 on the 777 has the same comfort as the 2-4-2 on the A-330-340, and to those complaining about the 2-5-2, when have you ever had to sit in the middle? If it is so bad, most airlines will let you trade seats if you get that seat. The only time I have been in the middle of the five was when I was with two friends, we had the isle to the middle seat, and another time with my family when we occupied all five middle seats. Most people that are booked in that middle seat are sitting next to at least one friend. So that only leaves maybe one person to bother when getting up.


"FLY DELTA JETS"
User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (14 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

There may be no problem with seat comfort, but nobody I know likes middle seats. On a BA 777 that is 3-4-3, remember there are 4 middle seats in a row, compared to three for mostly any other carrier.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

I think that the Asian carriers pack more passengers in their 777s than US carriers because the Asian 777s are configured for medium haul regional routes whereas the US operators fly their 777s on long range flights. Thus,many asian carriers configure their 777s on such routes in only 2 classes with the Business class sections being relatively small or more packed. US operators like AA and UA fly their 777s on long range routes in 3-class configs. DL & CO do fly them in 2 class configs but their J class is an upgraded quasi First class product and the cabins tend to be larger. THe only Mideastern carrier that packs em in on a 777 is Emirates, but they offer good legroom (Something US carriers do not) and they overcome the tight 10-abreast seating by superior service standards.

In any case, I'd rather be on a tightly packed 777 on a transatlantic flight than on a tightly packed 757 any day !


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (14 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

Even on a 747 the 3-4-3 seating is to cramped and horrible, in a 777 ist must be worse, I would never take it. The economy class of all airlines in our days are cruel and a cheek. When I can afford it, I avoid this cattle class. If you pack animals like this, animal welfare societies would sue you. I remeber these happy days when Swissair had in its DC 10 only a 2-4-2 seating (at beginning 1970s).
I am sure that airlines won't put gyms or things like this into an A 3XX, but I hope they give passenger a little more room.


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