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PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served  
User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

With the recent surge in International flying by US Airlines I'd like to start a thread on cities that Pan Am and TWA flew to in their heydey that haven't been served by US Airlines since.

I can think of a few:

Karachi (Pan Am)
Krakow (Pan Am)
Riyadh (Pan Am and TWA)
Bahrain (Pan Am and TWA)
Dhahran (Pan Am- now known as Dammam)
Kuwait (TWA)
Nuremberg (Pan Am)
Recife (Pan Am)
Zagreb (Pan Am)
Dubrovnik (Pan Am)
Ankara (Pan Am)
Santa Maria (TWA)
Casablanca (Pan Am and TWA)
Entebbe (Pan Am)
Monrovia (Pan Am)
Nairobi (Pan Am)
Accra (Pan Am)
Abidjan (Pan Am)

I am sure there are many more!

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User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

PNE (Northeast Philadelphia) -- no longer served by any scheduled carrier since TW Express pulled out in the mid-90s

User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

I'm not sure about this one but I'm pretty sure Beirut (BEY) didn't see American carriers since. The Lebanese will surely give their input if they know of such endeavours.


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4165 times:
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an interesting list - I assume that KRK ZAG and Dubrovnik were served on narrowbodies from FRA ?

just curious when did PA serve EBB ?



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User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
an interesting list - I assume that KRK ZAG and Dubrovnik were served on narrowbodies from FRA ?

Yes, Pan Am had a fleet of 727s at FRA. When Delta bought out PA's Atlantic routes, the FRA hub didn't last very long.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Beirut (Pan Am)
Okinawa (TWA)
Nairobi (TWA did it also)
Nadi Fiji (Pan Am)
New Caledonia (Pan Am)
Belgrade (Pan Am)
Dar Es Salam (Pan Am)
Tehran (Pan Am)
Keflavik (Pan Am)
Colombo (TWA)
Basra (TWA)
Bergasi (TWA)
Tripoli (TWA)
Tunis (TWA)
Algiers (TWA

[Edited 2006-02-17 17:27:37]


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
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Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Nadi Fiji (Pan Am)

I am pretty sure that CO flew to NAN enroute to SYD for a little while when they first ventured into the South Pacific , although they no longer do so .

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
New Caledonia (Pan Am)

Are you sure PA flew to New Caledonia ?



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
New Caledonia (Pan Am)

Continental Micronesia flew to Noumea from GUM in the late 1990's.

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)

Air Mike also flew GUM-Okinawa.


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting ContinentalFan (Reply 4):
When Delta bought out PA's Atlantic routes, the FRA hub didn't last very long.

It was there through at least '96...


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 8):
It was there through at least '96...

They didn't dehub Frankfurt until late 1996 and at that point they dumped the remaining A 310s also. A lot of points were linked directly with JFK while others were dropped entirely.

Quoting Haveric (Reply 1):
PNE (Northeast Philadelphia) -- no longer served by any scheduled carrier since TW Express pulled out in the mid-90s

When did TWA serve PNE? That's neat that they did, just wondering when.

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)

I believe NW served Okinawa for a bit in the 1980s, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was one of those points NW put on their route map at the time (like Kuala Lumpur and a few others) but did not serve!


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)



Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 9):
I believe NW served Okinawa for a bit in the 1980s, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was one of those points NW put on their route map at the time (like Kuala Lumpur and a few others) but did not serve!

actually...both Northwest AND Continental flew to Naha, Okinawa (a.k.a OKA)

i flew on those flights. back in '92 i flew HNL-GUM-OKA (on CO; HNL-GUM DC-10, GUM-OKA B727)

in summer of '93 flew on NW OKA-GUM-HNL (B727 OKA-GUM; DC-10 GUM-HNL) same a/c for return routing.

IIRC, NW discontinued HNL-GUM/GUM-OKA between the end of '93 or '94 cause i remember my mom making travel arrangements for us (summer of '94) to fly via ITM in '94. we flew JAL from OKA-ITM and NW from ITM-HNL and we flew CO back to OKA via GUM.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
New Caledonia (Pan Am)



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Nadi Fiji (Pan Am)

CO flew to all those destinations.

There's also plenty of International Destinations CO currently serves that PA or TWA never flew.



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

PA and TW were true American flag carriers... they connected the US to every major world city and many other smaller ones, something that no current carrier in the US does (although CO, DL, and AA are trying)...

I hope some of those cities do get service back from American carriers... Let's have America reach out in the world in a non-negative manner...



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

While I grew up with the likes of Braniff and Pan Am in the 60s and 70s, I am still fascinated by TW's global reach during it's heyday almost on a par with their cross JFK rival PA. When I first took any real notice of TW as a teen in the 70s, TW by then had ceasd much of their Asian (save for Isreal) operations and with the exception of Cairo all of Africa. By that time TW was slowly beginning their decline into the history books.

Thomas



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Sorry I was so bad skipping COMIKE all the time for the South Pacific,


I thought NW served KUL once from KIX, but after the ASian economy crisis, they pulled out and did a codeshare with MH from KIX

NW also served CGK at one time too.



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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Midway Island (MDY), USA - Pan Am
Wake Island (AWK), USA - Pan Am
Douala (DLA), Cameroon - Pan Am Definitely
Brazzaville (BZV), Congo - Pan Am I think
Kinshasa (FIH) (then known as Leopoldville), Congo - Pan Am I think

This is all from memory, but PA in Africa definitely served Douala, and I'm pretty sure at one time they served Brazzaville and Leopoldville. I'm sure they served the Azores and probably Gander or St. John's New Foundland during the days of shorter ranged aircraft.

Cairo

[Edited 2006-02-18 06:03:03]

User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

PA 707 to Libreville
PA 707 to Cotonou
PA 707 to Rabat
PA 707 to Bergen
PA ATR42 to Kiel
PA ATR42 to Saarbrucken
PA 707 to CapeTown
PA 707 to Jakarta
PA 707 to Yangon (Rangoon)
PA 707 to Kolkata (Calcutta)
PA 707 to Rock Sound
PA 707 to Paramaribo


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 15):
Douala (DLA), Cameroon - Pan Am Definitely
Brazzaville (BZV), Congo - Pan Am I think

Good ones! Forgot about them.

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 16):
PA ATR42 to Kiel
PA ATR42 to Saarbrucken

Didn't PA Express, also go to Basel/Mulhouse, Dormund and Bremen?


User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

There were other Pan Am German destinations too: Westerland (Sylt), Kiel, and Hanover come to mind.

What about Papeete?

I'm not sure about Riyadh. Didn't Delta fly there just before September 11th?


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Delta never served Saudi Arabia,

CAI-DXB only



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User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
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Brasilia and Recife in Brazil had Pan Am service. And if this thread only regards scheduled service, then Havana, Cuba too.

[Edited 2006-02-18 17:52:51]

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)

NW served that until 1994 i believe

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 9):
Maybe it was one of those points NW put on their route map at the time (like Kuala Lumpur and a few others) but did not serve!

NW did serve Kuala Lumpur, as said pulled out with Asian economy crisis.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

Quoting Kkfla737 (Thread starter):
Accra (Pan Am)

North American Airlines currently flies JFK-ACC. 1 flight per week.

JFK-ACC 11:00pm - 1:30pm (depart friday arrive saturday)
ACC-JFK 12:30pm - 6:55pm (depart sunday arrive sunday)

what the aircraft does in accra for 25 hours i do no tknow.

'902



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 15):
St. John's New Foundland during the days of shorter ranged aircraft.

CO currently flies daily nonstop from EWR to St.John's.

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 16):
PA 707 to Bergen

I think NWA might have flown JFK-Bergen or BOS Bergen in the Early '80s.

Quoting Mats (Reply 18):
What about Papeete?

CO flew to Papeete.



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User currently offlineNW305 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

I can't imagine why Northwest pulled Okinawa service since we have some very large bases there. Kadena AB and the Marine Bases have very large populations of US Dependents, DoD Civilians and Active Duty Personnel. In order to leave Okinawa you have the Patrioit Express Flight to Seattle which will end in 2006 or fly JAL to Tokyo Haneda and transfer to Narita to fly to the US or fly to another Japanese Airport to change planes.

25 Mats : Did Delta at least PLAN to serve Riyadh? Or have I completely made this up? I remember when they added service from JFK to Cairo, Tel Aviv, Dubai, and
26 Timz : You remember Delta flying JFK-NRT?
27 Kkfla737 : I think it was JFK-Gotenburg. Maybe Bergen as well also. NW was very agressive with Scandanavia service in the early 80s.
28 Oldman55 : I bet the aircraft just sits there !!
29 TOLtommy : It's all about the yield. Too many travelling on gov't fares. The resources were moved to other routes, where yields were better.
30 Bobnwa : Northwest served a lot of Scandanavia but never Bergen or Gotenburg.
31 Stirling : Most of what has been posted so far has been from the jet-age, but if you go back just a little deeper, the peak of PanAms reach was in the late 40's,
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