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Comair To Operate NW Airlink?  
User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

I did a search with no results.

There is a rather odd rumor floating around that I’ve heard from a number of Comair pilots, inflight and rampers now that OH is going to become a NW Airlink partner.

I’m rather curious about this and wondering if there would be any restrictions in place to keep this from happening or if it is in fact possible. I know there are currently code shares in place for NW/DL/CO. I wasn’t sure if DL having OH wholly owned would help this happen or keep it from happening. I know that AE used to operate codeshare DL Conx Flts out of LAX. So would this be the same type of thing?

If this is to happen is this go or bad for either party? Does this put the two closer to a merger? I can’t even begin to think what the true ramifications could be...

I know NW was looking for or to create another carrier which would have 60-90 seat aircraft. Is this thier solution?


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Any thoughts on this?


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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3387 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

I heard the rumor too.

OH is a different company than Delta. That must be remembered in this situation. Much like Eagle operates flights as DL connection out of LAX, OH is probably free to operate flights as NW Airlink.

And why shouldn't they? DL is taking away RJs from OH. It's a fight for life over there.

PJ


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
OH is a different company than Delta.

OH isn't a different company from Delta. It is a wholly owned subsidiary.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

OH is a wholly owned subsidiary of DL for now. Also from what I have heard floating around was that the Q400 was going to OH as well.


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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2804 times:

I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1. Anyone know any truth to that? The UA folks in JAX are also DGS.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2786 times:

There was a blurb in the Enquirer on Monday.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...AID=/20060213/BIZ01/302130019/1076

Comair is trying to reduce costs by $70 million, including $27.2 million from labor – cuts it says it needs to stay competitive with other regional airlines for Delta routes. It also has bid to fly routes for Northwest Airlines, and a decision on that could be coming soon.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 4):
I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1. Anyone know any truth to that? The UA folks in JAX are also DGS.

OttoPylit

Sure as hell hope this isn't the beginning of something bigger. The day Delta merges with NW is the day I switch!!! (No offense to the NW folks, but I hate NWA)



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Well it would probably be smarter financially for Delta to whore out part of OH to NW, as if DL drops EV or OO as a Delta Connection carrier in the next four years, they don't get the final $125 million payment from SkyWest for the ASA purchase (Due on the fourth anniversary of the closing date of the deal).

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

It's likely that Comair was invited to submit a bid to fly CRJs currently flown by Pinnacle. Its also likely that Comair submitted a bid. Comair could submit a competetive bid, depending on what services Comair would provide. For example:

- Ground handling. If Comair takes over ground handling for the Airlink flights, they would have an advantage. Comair already ground handles for Delta and Delta connection in a large number of cities that would be served by NW Airlink. The people and equipment are already in place, and would be used more efficiently if used to gorund handle both DL and NW flying.

- Fleet commonality. Comair would not have to type approve a new fleet. They have the program in place for initial training and recurrent. Companies like Republic would have to spend substantial amounts of money to get type approval for the new aircraft. Word is that Mesaba spent somewhere around $6 million to prepare for CRJ flying, only to have deliveries stop after only 2 aircraft were delivered.

Comair has disadvantages:

- Cost structure. If the bid is only for flying, they can't compete. Even after the Comair pilots agreed to concessions, their payscales are well above Mesaba and Pinnacle. Mesaba is looking for a 19% paycut from most employee groups, furthering the gap.

Will it happen? Who knows. I think it's unlikely, but it certainly could happen.....


User currently offlineKITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Even XJ has bid on routes from other companies (CO express) to fly on behalf of them, the days of a carrier being very loyal to one airline are dead (ALA FlyI). -Matt in KITH

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
Much like Eagle operates flights as DL connection out of LAX, OH is probably free to operate flights as NW Airlink.

MQ operates flights as MQ. NW and DL (and others?) codeshare on the flights, but they are MQ flights.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 4):
I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1.

Not in CLE, we aren't, I know that for sure.



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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Well I was told by our management that we ALWAYS submit bids to NW when given the opportunity. As some of you probably know, Fred's plan is for OH to exit ch11 protection, seperate from DL- so perhaps this is one of the first signs of that...

There certainly have been a lot of rumors that we'll be handling a number of Pinnacle services in different airports. I have been told by more than a couple flightcrews that it is "a done deal", however when I asked my manager, I was told, "I'm not saying anything". So who knows... maybe management is just trying to keep it quiet for now.

As others have said, OH's cost structure is a lot higher than that of Pinnacle. I don't think you'll see OH take over all of Pinnacle operations. What I do think is more likley, is OH taking over Pinnacle services at stations which currently serve both. As an example, at my airport there is a Comair flight and a Pinnacle flight about 30 minutes apart. These could easily be worked by solely OH staff, given maybe 2 or 3 more part time positions, which would certainly be more cost effective than staffing an entire 6 person Pinnacle station. Shared GSE, gates, etc could just help to further lower costs. I think if you evaluate the possibilities purely on the basis of labor cost you'll make the wrong assumptions. Rather, look at where it would be cost effective for OH to handle pinnacle flights...

The vibe I get from OH management, is a desired shift in our business model to obviously offer a competitive cost structure, but also fly for multiple carriers, like a Mesa or Shuttle America. There has been a lot of talk of getting some larger gauge airplanes on the property, and the EMB170 has been mentioned a lot. I'm not sure what the scope regulations are and such.

Obviously, being associated with DL for the whold ch11 deal hurt our growth plans a lot. Prior to the ch11 filing, there was actually a plan for acquiring larger gauge aircraft, which has since been put on the back burner- after all, who's going to finance someone that's bankrupt.

Just as a question- how come when I posted about this I was flamed, but this thread is doing just fine?  Wink



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User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

You know i was just thinking about it abd last time i flew in to CHO I think OH was handling NW Airlink flights. Are there any other stations currently like this?


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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 13):
You know i was just thinking about it abd last time i flew in to CHO I think OH was handling NW Airlink flights. Are there any other stations currently like this?

There are a few select cities that OH currently handles NW Airlink flights in, can't recall them off the top of my head, but there are a few...



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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2247 times:

Bangor, Maine has delta handling NW airlink (Pinnacle) flights. For that matter though, Continental handles Pinnacle flights in CAE

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 4):
I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1. Anyone know any truth to that? The UA folks in JAX are also DGS.

Actually I had heard that XJ picked up the ground services in JAX and a number of other cities.



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User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2196 times:

Actually no one has picked up any Ground Handling contracts at this moment. Until the final vote on 03Mar to see if the IAM accepts NW offer then that is when you will start to see ground Handling converted in a number of Stations. I do know that RDU and AUS are the first 2 stations to go, cause they will be the Pilot Program Stations, but only if the Contract passes.


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User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2163 times:

8 different carriers bid on the NWA RJ flying.

User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

wow, thanks for all the info guys!


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

I think Skyteam needs to do a better job of integrating ground operations. While things like the DL and CO move to the World Gateway at DTW and NW and CO moving over to Terminal 3 at CVG are a start, the UA-AC model is one to which NW, DL, and CO ought to look. There are certainly cost savings to be had, and aside from the loss of jobs, there's not really any downside. After all, an OH CRJ can't be any harder or easier to push back than a 9E CRJ.


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