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First Widebody Airbus To AY  
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Finnair's CEO confirmed in a Finnish business paper that AY will get their first Airbus widebody (used) already by the end of this year, as suitable Md-11s aren't available. At the moment they have 7 Md-11s.

My wild guess is that the Airbus will start flying HEL-JFK.

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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5299 times:
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But TG is retiring this year and next its MD11 fleet. Why AY not purchase these aircrafts??

And RG MD11 fleet??



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

I thought AY was retiring their MD-11s too, even though I'd heard they had been happy with them, in general. When is KLM going to set down their MD-11 fleet? They are flying the MD-11 on SFO-AMS, I can't help but think a 777 would be cheaper...and preferable on that route.


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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2):
When is KLM going to set down their MD-11 fleet? They are flying the MD-11 on SFO-AMS, I can't help but think a 777 would be cheaper...and preferable on that route.

IIRC KL will fly the M11 until 2015



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User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Seems A340 will not be their first widebody Airbus.


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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2):
I thought AY was retiring their MD-11s too, even though I'd heard they had been happy with them, in general.

AY said their Md-11s will be retired by year 2012, and yes they have been happy with them (especially with the cargo capacity) but now Airbus widebodies will replace MadDogs. AY has plans to expand strongly in Asia, this year to Nagoya and Delhi.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Quoting Andaman (Thread starter):
Finnair's CEO confirmed in a Finnish business paper that AY will get their first Airbus widebody (used) already by the end of this year,

An A343 ? From where will it come ?



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
An A343 ? From where will it come ?

No idea where it comes but they deed it badly, I suppouse there are something available out there?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Good question, I also don't know where AY will get this A343 from. Maybe from SA? I seem to remember reading something about SA and their A343 aircraft going to another airline, was this related to AY getting the A343?

A388


User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 4):
Seems A340 will not be their first widebody Airbus.

Is that photo with Eastern Airlines logos on the engine?!?!?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 9):

Is that photo with Eastern Airlines logos on the engine?!?!?

Hi Boeingguy, no that it is the AY logo on the A300 engine.

Regards,

A388


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
Hi Boeingguy, no that it is the AY logo on the A300 engine.

AY used to have A300 for holiday (charter) flights early 90's.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

By the way is the first A343 coming later this year or in 2007?

If I had to wager, HEL-NRT maybe a start for the A343 because the A343 can land on the shorter runway and take-off on the longer runway. This will allow AY to double frequency from two a week to four. Slots on the shorter runway should still be available in the mornings. MD-11 could stay on the NGO & KIX runs as they have no slots and runway issues.

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
An A343 ? From where will it come ?

Toulouse, France would be a good guess and a place to start.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
An A343 ? From where will it come?

My first guess would be from AC, since they'll get rid of them very soon, once their 77W and 772LR fleet goes online.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 12):
Toulouse, France would be a good guess and a place to start.

That would apply for the A340-313Es they ordered. However they are apparently getting another few used A340-313Xs for expansion, since they are unable to acquire more MD-11s.

It would be sad to see the Mightydog leave AY for good. And considering that AY, one of the few original MD-11 launch customers who didn't cancel their orders for the Mightydog, has been the airline that got the very first MD-11 delivered, it's been quite a long run. Once the last MD-11 leaves AY, some 22 years will have passed since the first delivery of their first Mightydog.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4241 times:

Quoting Andaman (Reply 5):
AY has plans to expand strongly in Asia, this year to Nagoya and Delhi.

Yes, and I read that they are planning to open routes from HEL to MNL, KUL, ICN...
I also heard somewhere that they are planning to open to SGN...

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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4103 times:
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Quoting Carpethead (Reply 12):
If I had to wager, HEL-NRT maybe a start for the A343 because the A343 can land on the shorter runway and take-off on the longer runway. This will allow AY to double frequency from two a week to four. Slots on the shorter runway should still be available in the mornings. MD-11 could stay on the NGO & KIX runs as they have no slots and runway issues.

So NRT has an extra short runway where only a few types can land ??? And they distribute slots only for that runway ??  Confused  Confused
Any explanations are welcome to me !!

I must have missed something...  boggled 

FB.



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User currently offlineFinnair MD-11 From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Hello Andaman!

Can you give your source please. Because I just read in Finnair Group's personnel magazine, Okay, that the first A340 will be delivered in May 2007 and it will be a new one. I know that there have been rumours of a used A340-300 joining the AY fleet this year but there aren't so many A340-300s available at this moment. It can be that AC might get rid of them soon but I suppose not so soon..

-Finnair MD-11



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting Finnair MD-11 (Reply 16):
Can you give your source please.

It was business paper Kauppalehti, Friday 17th if I remember right, they said the used Airbus widebody would come in the second half of this year, instead of the 8th Md-11.


User currently offlineFinnair MD-11 From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Okay, thanks! It is true that they need planes for the long haul operations and I hope they'll find some soon.

Happy landings!

-Finnair MD-11



MD-11
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12522 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Great news if they do that (introduce an A340 to Japan); I'm hoping to arrange a trip to Japan during the transitional period (from MD11s to A340s), from MAN. If I work it properly, I can combine E-170s and A319s on the short flights!

I think AC would be a strong possibility; I heard they were looking at getting rid of one or two A340s later in the year.

By the way, have you heard anything about AY returning to DUB; they used to operate a Summer seasonal service, but they don't seem to be coming back this Summer. There's a strong increase in Irish long haul traffic to Asia, so it's the kind of place they should look at; E-jets would be ideal ...


User currently offlineFinnair MD-11 From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Hello Kaitak!

Finnair will be flying to Dublin on 13.4-30.9 mainly with A319. I think they have 3 flights/week, but I'm not sure.

-Finnair MD-11



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 15):
So NRT has an extra short runway where only a few types can land ??? And they distribute slots only for that runway ??

The shorter runway at NRT is only 2,180 meters. NRT has decided DC-10s, MD-11s, 773s, A346s, & 747s + soon A380 are not to be operated from that runway. In emergencies, (like longer runway shutting down) I have heard DC-10s, MD-11s, and 773s landing on it.
Therefore, I make the assumption, that with morning slots on the short runway still open, AY can double their frequencies into NRT with just a change in aircraft.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Some of SA's A343 has gone to Jet Airways(9W).


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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2240 times:
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Quoting Carpethead (Reply 21):
The shorter runway at NRT is only 2,180 meters. NRT has decided DC-10s, MD-11s, 773s, A346s, & 747s + soon A380 are not to be operated from that runway. In emergencies, (like longer runway shutting down) I have heard DC-10s, MD-11s, and 773s landing on it.
Therefore, I make the assumption, that with morning slots on the short runway still open, AY can double their frequencies into NRT with just a change in aircraft.

Many thanks for the explanation, I wasn't aware of it at all !!

FB.



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