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AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes  
User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Air Canada to launch daily Fort McMurray-Newfoundland express; Expands non-stop flights from western Canada

MONTREAL, Feb. 17 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada today announced the
introduction of the only non-stop flights between Fort McMurray and Toronto,
with same plane service continuing to St. John's, NL. Beginning April 8, 2006,
Air Canada will operate Saturday service linking Northern Alberta and
St. John's with the only direct service, ramping up to daily service starting
June 17. Tickets are now available for purchase at aircanada.com or through
travel agents.
"The introduction of the only non-stop flights between Fort McMurray and
Toronto links Northern Alberta to Air Canada's largest hub giving direct
access to our worldwide network," said Ben Smith, Vice President, Network
Planning. "Not only do the new flights offer North American business
travellers to and from Fort McMurray the most convenient connections at Air
Canada's Toronto hub, the new flights also offer the fastest and easiest way
for Atlantic Canadians living and working in Fort McMurray to travel to
Newfoundland and Labrador. The arrival of our new, state-of-the-art Embraer
jets allow us to pursue these new market opportunities, and meet travellers'
needs with the best schedules and the most choice every day."
Air Canada's new Fort McMurray-Toronto-St. John's flights will be
operated using its new, ultra-modern, spacious and efficient 93-seat Embraer
E190 jet with a choice of Executive Class or Hospitality service. The
aircrafts are equipped with Air Canada's new personal entertainment system
that is being introduced fleet-wide, and feature 8.9-inch wide digital in-seat
monitors with touch-screen controls offering audio and video on demand
programming at every seat.

Schedule:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
AC 1198 1305 departs 1839 arrives 1925 departs 0005 arrives
Fort McMurray Toronto Toronto St. John's
----------------------------------------------------------------------
AC 1197 0715 departs 0915 arrives 1000 departs 1208 arrives
St. John's Toronto Toronto Fort McMurray
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Travellers to and from western Canada are benefiting from new non-stop
services as Air Canada renews its North American fleet:

Calgary-New York (JFK): daily non-stop service starting March 1 with
93-seat Embraer E190 jet offering a choice of
Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Edmonton-Los Angeles: daily non-stop service starting May 1 with
75-seat Bombardier 705 jet offering a choice of
Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Recently launched routes include: Vancouver-San Diego, Vancouver-Las
Vegas, Calgary-Las Vegas, and Calgary-Abbotsford.


Upcoming summer schedule enhancements include:

Vancouver-Ottawa: one additional flight for a total of four daily non-
stop flights offering a choice of Executive Class or
Hospitality service.

Vancouver-New York (JFK): one additional flight for a total of two daily
non-stop flights with 120-seat Airbus A319
offering a choice of Executive Class or
Hospitality service.

Vancouver-Whitehorse: one additional flight for a total of three daily
non-stop flights with 75-seat Bombardier CRJ-705
offering a choice of Executive Class or Hospitality
service.

Edmonton-Ottawa: one additional flight for a total of two daily non-
stop flights with 93-seat Embraer E190 offering a
choice of Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Edmonton-Montreal: up to daily non-stop flights by April 2 offering a
choice of Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Edmonton-Winnipeg: one additional flight for a total of three daily
non-stop flights with 50-seat Bombardier CRJ-200.

Edmonton-Fort McMurray: one additional flight for a total of five daily
non-stop flights.

Edmonton-Grande Prairie: one additional flight for a total of five daily
non-stop flights.

Calgary-Montreal: one additional flight for a total of four daily
non-stop flights offering a choice of Executive Class
or Hospitality service.

Calgary-Grande Prairie: one additional flight for a total of four daily
non-stop flights.

Saskatoon-Toronto: one additional flight for a total of four daily
non-stop flights offering a choice of Executive Class
or Hospitality service.

Regina-Toronto: one additional flight for a total of four daily non-stop
flights offering a choice of Executive Class or
Hospitality service.

Once again the Embraers are exploiting new opportunities.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG


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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG

I was wondering that, too. Seems right, or else another YMM 'enhancement' would probably have been listed on the schedule.

Anyway, wow! This is exactly the kind of route that the 190's are going to be good for. To some extent (although it's hard to see exactly how much), this is sure to hurt Westjet a little bit, and it will be hard for them to respond. But I also wonder whether this might result in a reduction of Jazz' current flight to YMM, which are on Dash's, I think.

JL



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG

No,YEG is being served with DH3's,it's just an additional flight. YYC has 3 non-stop CRJ flights a day. I'm not shocked by the E90 non-stop service to YYZ and YYT,rather I'm really surprised that did something that mad perfect sense!


User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG

????
AC1197 arrives from YYZ at 1208 and departs back to YYZ at 1305


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
No,YEG is being served with DH3's,it's just an additional flight. YYC has 3 non-stop CRJ flights a day. I'm not shocked by the E90 non-stop service to YYZ and YYT,rather I'm really surprised that did something that mad perfect sense!

If you look at that schedule up there, YMM-YEG is getting one extra flight, which is why I wondered. I mean, why would AC keep the E90 on the ground at YMM for 4:31?



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User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
If you look at that schedule up there, YMM-YEG is getting one extra flight, which is why I wondered. I mean, why would AC keep the E90 on the ground at YMM for 4:31?

They are not keeping it on the ground in YYM for 4:31, it will be a 57 minute turn.


AC1197 departs YYT 0715
arrives YYZ 0915
departs YYZ 1000
arrives YMM 1208

AC 1198 departs YMM 1305
arrives YYZ 1839
departs YYZ 1925
arrives YYT 0005


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Quoting YOW (Thread starter):
1305 departs 1839

Ah, I see where I got confused now.



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User currently offlineHrhf1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 105 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5479 times:

Looks like a few people need to eat some well cooked crow. Recalling a thread several months ago from a.netter CAYMAN, the question of the YMM-YYZ route was put forth and he was roundly dismissed.

RE: Any Chance Of AC YYZ-Ft McMurray? (by CayMan Sep 3 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2308289

It certainly goes to show despite all the speculation you never know what is going on the in boardroom.


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

AC1197 departs YYT 0715
arrives YYZ 0915
departs YYZ 1000
arrives YMM 1208

AC 1198 departs YMM 1305
arrives YYZ 1839
departs YYZ 1925
arrives YYT 0005


Well done, that is some good aircraft utilization.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Man those are really marginal routes. San Diego to Vancouver? Boy, you could never do that in the old days. Same with four nonstops a day between Vancouver and Ottowa. I mean, Ottowa's not a big town and Vancouver is nearly five hours away. How many nonstops were there from YOW to YVR in the 70s or 80s? One DC8 if you were lucky? God bless the RJ and the long legs of the A319.


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User currently offlineYOWguy From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

Not very big!!!!  irked 

Quote:
The Ottawa Region, with 1.05 million residents, is the fourth-largest urban area in Canada.

Thats behind Toronto, Montreal, and then Vancouver.

Now only if the mainline carriers , the likes of BA or Luftansa, would come to YOW and fly internationally, our airport would grow substantially more.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5891 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5112 times:
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There was another thread in a.net stating that AC will be flying a 2nd RT between YYZ and SEA using E190 equipement.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

1 million people in the Ottowa "region" (how big is that? does it reach to Montreal's city limits?) ain't that big for somewhere that gets two flights a day to a city five hours away. Most cities in Europe with a population of 1 million or less don't have scheduled flights to anywhere five hours away. Or does EDI get Emirates flights now? That's about the extent of it. Not being down on Ottowa you understand, I've heard it's great, great music scene etc.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
Man those are really marginal routes. San Diego to Vancouver? Boy, you could never do that in the old days.

Um, San Diego is the second largest city in California and the seventh largest in the US. Vancouver is the second largest city in Canada. Both are maritime powerhouses. Why wouldn't they have flights. IIRC, Alaska has had a non-stop on the route for years and I think CP also flew it.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
Same with four nonstops a day between Vancouver and Ottowa. I mean, Ottowa's not a big town and Vancouver is nearly five hours away. How many nonstops were there from YOW to YVR in the 70s or 80s? One DC8 if you were lucky?

Um, why wouldn't they have more flights per day on the route given that Ottawa IS the capital of the country.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 13):

1 million people in the Ottowa "region" (how big is that? does it reach to Montreal's city limits?)

Ottawa proper has 808,000 people, actually more than San Francisco. Also, the Capital Region includes only the parts that are in Ontario. Ottawa is right on the border and across the Ottawa River is the 5th largest city in Quebec, Gatineau, which has another 226,000 people. Adding that to all the people in Ottawa suburbs in Ontario and you are approaching 1.3-1.4 million, about the same size as the New Orleans Metro Area pre-Katrina



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User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

First of all, it's OTTAWA.

I'm sure living in London gives you a much different view of city sizes, but a European concept of geography and population is simply not appropriate when talking about North America. It's more challenging to serve markets effectively, especially in the medium sized Canadian markets. You can't just stick a 757 or an A300 and fly 20 frequencies a day between cities, it needs to be planned thoughtfully, and until recently, appropriate aircraft didn't exist to do the job (as you pointed out).

I don't mean to be a buzzkill, but why be nostalgic about days when inefficient, infrequent, indirect service was the norm?



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5891 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4907 times:
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San Diego may have surpassed San Francisco in population in terms of the cities themselves, but the San Francisco Metro area is far larger than San Diego Metro area.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4798 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 16):

San Diego may have surpassed San Francisco in population in terms of the cities themselves

May have? San Francisco isn't even the largest city in its metro area, and hasn't been for quite a time.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 16):
but the San Francisco Metro area is far larger than San Diego Metro area.

QSF also has 3 major airports serving it, while SAN is the only game in town unless people want to hike to ONT/SNA/LGB/LAX.



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User currently offlineYulguy From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Just some stats here. N1120A, Vancouver is not the 2nd biggest city, but the 3rd, after Toronto and Montreal. The Ottawa area is the 4th...Why don't we let the facts speak for themselves:

The 10 largest CMAs (Census Metropolitan Areas) for the last census (2001) according to Statistics Canada www.statcan.ca

Toronto ON 4.65 M (not including Hamilton)
Montreal QC 3.38 M
Vancouver BC 1.97 M
Ottawa-Gatineau ON/QC 1.05 M
Calgary AB .94 M
Edmonton AB .93 M
Quebec City QC .67 M
Winnipeg MB .66 M
Hamilton ON .66
London ON .43



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User currently offlineYulguy From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Just a note too everyone, from a person who is involved in urban planning. When you talk about cities' populations, it is useless to just talk about the arbitrary municipal boundaries of an urban entity (unless you're talking about city hall financing, but we won't go there). An urban area is made up of all the municipalities that are contigious. Hence, the parts of New Jersey across the river from New York are part of the New York metro area even though officially, they are different entities created to manage municipal services. Likewise, Mississaga is part of Greater Toronto. Richmond is part of greater Vancouver Oakland is part of Greater San Francisco, Yokohama is part of Greater Tokyo, Hull-Gatineau is part of Greater Ottawa......

So, San Diego may be the second largest MUNICIPALITY in California, but it is definitely not the second largest metropolitan area; that title belongs to San Francisco.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

AC is certainly going to hurt WJ with these new E90 flights. YMM-YYZ should have been a natural WJ route.

So, since this is same plane E90 service from YMM to YYT, how does the E90 get rotated to other routes? Must be at YYT?

Quoting Yulguy (Reply 19):
Just a note too everyone, from a person who is involved in urban planning. When you talk about cities' populations, it is useless to just talk about the arbitrary municipal boundaries of an urban entity (unless you're talking about city hall financing, but we won't go there). An urban area is made up of all the municipalities that are contigious.

Correct. Indeed, more that that...the catchment area of an airport is often many times to size of the city. YYC serves as the primary airport for all of Southern Alberta and the western edge of BC.....which is about 1.5M people. Combined with YYC's wealth, that's why YYC handles as many passengers as YUL which has many times more people.

Similarly, London has a relatively unused airport since road connections are good and distances short.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 20):
So, since this is same plane E90 service from YMM to YYT, how does the E90 get rotated to other routes? Must be at YYT?

I believe the plane sleeps at YYT. It doesn't get there until just past midnight, and it leaves for Toronto at 7:15. So barring some red-eye to Halifax that would arrive at 3:30 a.m., or so, I don't think there's any more the plane can do. This route takes up its whole day.

JL



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineTennisace From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

Will the fully-loaded E190 have any trouble getting off YMM's 6000' runway?? If the flight is ever full it will have a lot of luggage and a fair amount of fuel heading for YYZ. Will be interesting to see how this route does for AC.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting Tennisace (Reply 22):

Will the fully-loaded E190 have any trouble getting off YMM's 6000' runway?? If the flight is ever full it will have a lot of luggage and a fair amount of fuel heading for YYZ. Will be interesting to see how this route does for AC.

The 1427nm flight is well within the range of the E190, which runs around 2200nm. Additionally, the flight is going with the jetstream. Shouldn't be an issue



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 21):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 20):
So, since this is same plane E90 service from YMM to YYT, how does the E90 get rotated to other routes? Must be at YYT?

I believe the plane sleeps at YYT. It doesn't get there until just past midnight, and it leaves for Toronto at 7:15. So barring some red-eye to Halifax that would arrive at 3:30 a.m., or so, I don't think there's any more the plane can do. This route takes up its whole day.

You missed my point. Unless another E90 meets this E90 at YYT, I don't see how AC will rotate E90's onto this route, other than "unscheduled" equipment changes at YYZ which will only serve to annoy the YMM-YYT pax.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Additionally, the flight is going with the jetstream.

Well, eastbound yes.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 N1120A : The eastbound is the one off the 6000' runway Looks like it will RON at YYT
26 Yeggerman : It just seems foolish IMHO to start it now??? Once a week on Saturdays then daily in June, just doesn't add up. Why go daily in the summer when that's
27 Yow : Thank you Lymanm for your brillant insight. Wherever Ottowa is (if it even exists) must be a pretty small place. 4 flights a day is an appropriate am
28 CXH : I agree, it looks like there may be an "unscheduled" equipment change at YYZ in order to rotate the aircraft occasionally. There is one other possibl
29 Tennisace : Maybe as more of the E190's come online, there may in fact be two overnighting in YYT in the future - maybe one of the YHZ-YYT runs will be a E190 in
30 9252fly : You're getting warmer.
31 Tennisace : Okay I'll bite..........YOW-YYT to be announced soon???
32 YOW : 9252fly, was Tennisace getting warmer with the YOW-YYT thought? The traffic is definitely there for such a routing with a 90 seater.
33 9252fly : To be frank and honest,I don't have the specifics to the E90 rotation,rest assured it will be a YYT cycling though. The likely answer is an existing
34 CurtisMan : Well as someone who lives in YMM I think I'll make a little comment. This is FANTASTIC news! Our city is currently the place to be in Alberta. We have
35 Tennisace : Yeah!!!......the AC website finally is updated and shows the 1-stop YMM-YYZ-YYT E190 service the way it was announced in the press release. Funny it t
36 TIMEAIR : In that thread, I stated that this wud need to be based on a charter basis, however, Syncrude/Suncor have committed to ensuring these flights are ful
37 Post contains images YOW : Still no sign of an extra E90 sortie even on a weekend. There is an E75 into YYT listed on Saturdays. Maybe the same E90 will operate the route for l
38 Sebring : There are many ways to spell an aircraft in those circumstances. You can run another E-90 up from Edmonton, for example, the YUL-YEG plane could go up
39 Hrhf1 : TIMEAIR, In the thread I refered back to on this topic previously: you stated: "A sked service would never work, as mentioned before, the majority of
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