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Air Canada - 12 Daily LHR Flights This Fall  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11249 times:

Air Canada will be operating 12 Daily direct flights this summer from Canada to London Heathrow  Smile

From this fall, more direct flights than any other carrier between the UK and Canada...


  • Toronto 4 daily direct flights from London
  • Montréal 2 daily direct flights from London
  • Vancouver 3 daily direct flights from London
  • Calgary 2 daily direct flights from London
  • St. John’s, NL The only daily direct service from London
  • Halifax Daily one-stop service from London (via St. John's)


Air Canada will also be flying YYZ-MAN with the 767-200  Smile

I wish Air Canada would operate YYZ-BHX  cloudnine 

Certainly is good to see AC so much in Heathrow Big grin

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Does anyone have an update on the new seats, does any aircraft currently have them?
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My souce in AirCanada.com

Rob!  wave 

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6331 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11230 times:

Well I have been thinking about flying AC for a long while, I have family over there and now I live near Heathrow. It would be great to fly them again, they were such a good airline.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

So its actually 11 daily non-stops? Halifax is a direct flIght, not non-stop. Tiltle seems misleading considering at least 1 flight is the same plane.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Air Canada will be operating 12 Daily direct flights this summer from Canada to London Heathrow

I think you mean non-stop...



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User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
So its actually 11 daily non-stops?



Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Toronto 4 daily direct flights from London

Montréal 2 daily direct flights from London

Vancouver 3 daily direct flights from London

Calgary 2 daily direct flights from London

St. John’s, NL The only daily direct service from London

4+2+3+2+1 = 12


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
So its actually 11 daily non-stops?

You can't do your math  Wink

YYZ = 4
YUL = 2
YVR = 3
YYC = 2
YHZ/YYT = 1
Total = 12  Wink

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11090 times:

Thats down 1 frequency from YYZ isn't it---wasn;t YYZ often 5x daily?

User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Where's the YOW-LHR nonstop?


--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 7):
Where's the YOW-LHR nonstop?

Your correct, sorry there are 13 Daily flights to LHR this fall  Smile

Ottawa - Daily 763

Strange the Air Canada website didn't mention this, but amadeus still has it on the system  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19203 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

Does anyone know what percentage of these flights carry pure O+D traffic?


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User currently offlineMKandiah From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11023 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 7):
Where's the YOW-LHR nonstop?


Your correct, sorry there are 13 Daily flights to LHR this fall

Ottawa - Daily 763

Strange the Air Canada website didn't mention this, but amadeus still has it on the system

They should have two flights a day from Ottawa. There is sufficient load.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6331 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10966 times:

Well I booked my flights LHR-YYZ and YYZ-LHR for only £425.20. It will be a Boeing 767-300 both ways according to the AC website.
So in November there might well be a trip report!


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10926 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
Ottawa - Daily 763

Can't forget about good old AC888 - that's my lifeline to Europe here in YOW. We seriously need more services to Europe. The "shuttle bus" to YUL for AF and KL just aren't doing it for me anymore. I'm not a big fan of the YOW-LHR flight especially on the rickety old 767s they always seem to use but till I have another choice...

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10910 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Does anyone have an update on the new seats, does any aircraft currently have them?

The first 767-300 goes in for refitting of the new interiors (including AVOD for each seat) at the beginning of May (1 per month), 767-200 start in Oct. (1 every 2 weeks), and the 320's get the new interiors starting in April (1 per week), if my info is correct.
(only the 767-300's will get the new J seats pictured above)


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8084 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10854 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Does anyone know what percentage of these flights carry pure O+D traffic?

As far as the D goes, I would say nearly all of them. Outside the Canadian cities served nonstop (YYZ, YUL, YVR, YYC, YOW), there is almost no human settlement, so there ain't nowhere else to go. There's maybe Peg City and that's it. And no-one flies AC to the US from Europe, Delta et al can do it nonstop. When I worked in the travel industry, I don't think I ever sold a single seat to the US on Air Canada. As far as the O goes, admittedly a lot of pax transit LHR heading for Canada, mostly from India and the ME. Fly in on RJ, ME, PK, AI et al onto Air Canada - sure.

Interesting that Air Canada are beating the crap out of BA. I've been to Canada three times, all in 2005, and flew BA, AC and TS (Air Transat). Since I'm not fussed about legroom, I would put AC and TS on a par, Air Canada have the same lack of IFE and so-so service as Air Transat, I couldn't tell the difference. In fact I would say the cabin crew on TS were friendlier. However BA ranked head and shoulders above both Canadian carriers - better service, classier interiors, personal IFE, amenity kit etc. I'm going back in a couple of weeks and it's BA fer shore. Doing some Air Canada shorthaul (LGA-YUL-LGA) and it'll be good, but across the pond I fly the flag, they're more experienced, have nice planes (777, 747) and it's a better experience.

In fact (and sorry to go on so), Air Canada and Air Transat have put me off Airbus for long haul, our Air Transat A310 had to make a "quick return" emergency landing after takeoff from Gatwick, and on the way home we hit some really wacky Clear Air Turbulence. It wasn't particularly violent but in clear air we nosed over, quite smoothly but it kept going down, it wasn't a jolt that stopped as quickly as it started, it was a smooth and continuous over-the-hump pitch change that really unnerved me. It sounds slightly dramatic but I was in the cockpit of a Cathay Pacific 747 going into Kai Tak that had a runaway autopilot (albeit the crew were half-expecting it cos of an out-of-service VOR so it wasn't too mental), and it happened when I was in the right seat of a Piper Aztec in Germany once, and that was what it felt like on the TS A310. Air Canada's A330 from LHR-YYZ a few months later was frankly terrifying - we lifted off (after a loooooong takeoff roll) and the airframe let out some creaks and groans the likes of which I've never heard on a plane before, thank god. It subsided and the flight was OK, my expectations of the service on my first AC flight were not high in the first place. But those noises left me wondering if I should make a phonecall. The A319 is the most solid and gorgeous short and medium hauler in the sky, but the Canadians have put me off the Airbus longhaulers for the time being (yet to fly on an A340-500, they look niiiice).

Also, let's face it, Canadian airlines and twin widebodies has not proved a happy combination, given the number of times they seem to star in Seconds From Disaster episodes on Discovery Wings. Eh?

(As a final note, may I say that I am a huge fan of Canada, it's one of my favourite places and I don't wish to be seen to be taking the piss, but I do wish their national airline was better. AC isn't a disgrace, service is maybe a fraction nicer than US carriers and they're reasonably pro if you overlook the world's only two times twin widebodies have run out of fuel in midflight. But since Canada is such a nice place, why can't they have an airline like Cathay Pacific or Swissair?)



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10583 times:

Cedarjet,you are about to get yourself royally flamed!  stirthepot   flamed   tombstone 

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10512 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 11):
Well I booked my flights LHR-YYZ and YYZ-LHR for only £425.20

Only? That is expensive.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
And no-one flies AC to the US from Europe

Perhaps, perhaps not, but lots of Americans fly AC to Europe

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Outside the Canadian cities served nonstop (YYZ, YUL, YVR, YYC, YOW), there is almost no human settlement, so there ain't nowhere else to go.

Um, how about Edmonton, Winnipeg, Saskatoon, Regina, Kitchener/Waterloo, London, Quebec Ville, Laval, and Victoria among other places



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Since I'm not fussed about legroom, I would put AC and TS on a par


Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
I'm going back in a couple of weeks and it's BA fer shore

Seat pitch economy-world traveller
AC A333 - 32-34"
BA B777 - 31"

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Air Canada have the same lack of IFE

Not for long... Cabin. Seat and IFE upgrade starting soon on B763 A333

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Also, let's face it, Canadian airlines and twin widebodies has not proved a happy combination, given the number of times they seem to star in Seconds From Disaster episodes on Discovery Wings. Eh?

Air Canada incident was a conversion erorr.
Air Transat incident was a engine installation problem by Airbus

Krisyyz

[Edited 2006-02-18 03:11:54]

User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10434 times:

Im surprised to find out that BA have actually decided to send a 763 as well as the traditional 744 and 777. I'll be flying on BA during the summer to LHR (duh!).

From what I hear, BA's cabin environement in the 763 is much better than the 777! Lookin' foreword to that!

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8084 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 17):
Air Canada incident was a conversion erorr.

Exactly.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 17):
Air Transat incident was a engine installation problem by Airbus

This is rather disingenuous. The engine installation was the source of the problem but it was the crew who pumped the entire fuel load into the breached tank. Seems very mean of me to criticise the crew who pulled off the landing of the decade shortly afterward, but nonetheless it was not really an accident that could be classed Made In Toulouse.

And mean of me being negative about the Great White North at all, I'll be there in a few weeks and I'm looking forward to it in a big way. And that includes AC's E190s, my first ride on these new planes.



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User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Since I'm not fussed about legroom, I would put AC and TS on a par

Interesting concept...you must be a small person. I am 5'10", and I find the AC seats just right. I haven't been on TS, but on other charters, I have really noticed the difference.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Air Canada have the same lack of IFE and so-so service as Air Transat,

The IFE will be rectified in the near future as AC begins its cabin refits. Every plane from the ERJ's right through the A320's and 767/777/787's will have the new cabins. Service is hit or miss, but I personally cannot say that I have had a terrible experience on AC.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
However BA ranked head and shoulders above both Canadian carriers - better service, classier interiors, personal IFE, amenity kit etc.

The AC interiors are getting old...but that will be fixed within the next year fleetwide which will include Personal IFE.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Doing some Air Canada shorthaul (LGA-YUL-LGA) and it'll be good, but across the pond I fly the flag, they're more experienced, have nice planes (777, 747) and it's a better experience.

I don't know if it will be up to your high standards...AC has cut back a lot on the domestic/transborder flights. You will probably wonder if you are flying Southwest (but on an Airbus!).

As for being more experienced...I don't know how you can say that. AC flies 98 scheduled flights between Canada and the UK during summer...BA only flies around 40. That is far more than double. AC has also been flying into London since 1943...I couldn't find out how long BA has been, but I think that AC was doing it first. (http://www.achorizons.ca/daily/en/archive/issues/2006/february/02152006.htm)

As for the nicer planes, just wait a few years. AC will have a better fleet than BA with brand new 777's and 787's. BA will still have the same old 747's and 777's (which are 10 years older than the AC metal).

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
In fact (and sorry to go on so), Air Canada and Air Transat have put me off Airbus for long haul

Sorry to hear that...I would fly an Airbus longhaul anyday, although as I said before, soon you will not have to worry about this. AC is ditching all of its Airbus longhaul equipment.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Air Canada's A330 from LHR-YYZ a few months later was frankly terrifying - we lifted off (after a loooooong takeoff roll) and the airframe let out some creaks and groans the likes of which I've never heard on a plane before, thank god.

I guess you will not be flying with the other 78 carriers who fly the A330/A340 series of aircraft. If you were so concerned, then why did you not ask to speak to either the pilot, or have an FA ask the pilot for you. I am sure that they would have been happy to oblige.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
Also, let's face it, Canadian airlines and twin widebodies has not proved a happy combination, given the number of times they seem to star in Seconds From Disaster episodes on Discovery Wings. Eh?

Wow...you trust a TV show to let you know how many planes fall out of the sky. Actually, BA has been in the news lately for its maintenance practises, and have numerous issues. For example, there was an Airbus A319 that lost all flight displays at night. They returned to normal a little bit later, but it was not reported until a little bit later. Both AC & BA have great safety records, especially in the last 20 years. But here is some light reading...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...Airways+maintenance+practices.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+all+flight+displays+at+night.html

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 14):
but I do wish their national airline was better. AC isn't a disgrace, service is maybe a fraction nicer than US carriers and they're reasonably pro if you overlook the world's only two times twin widebodies have run out of fuel in midflight.

AC has only had one incident of running out of fuel which was attributed to a conversion error. That exact plane has been flying for about 20 years without incident since that mishap.

The service on AC is certainly improving, and will only get better as the airline gets the new planes in.



BA is not perfect...as I experienced a couple of times, but neither is AC. AC is changing, and really it is all for the better. Many of your arguements are unfair and biased towards AC, but that happens.

James

[Edited 2006-02-18 03:37:00]


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User currently offlineACB777 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Vancouver 3 daily direct flights from London

What are the flight numbers? I only see AC897 and AC855 listed on AC's timetable for the summer. For the fall, I see only AC855 listed. Are you sure there will be 3 daily direct flights?


User currently offlineAircanada333 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9973 times:

Quoting ACB777 (Reply 21):
What are the flight numbers? I only see AC897 and AC855 listed on AC's timetable for the summer. For the fall, I see only AC855 listed. Are you sure there will be 3 daily direct flights?

You're right I just went on AC's website and there's only two flight from YVR but five from YYZ.

So this summer it will be like that:

Flights from:

YYZ:
ACA848
ACA856
ACA858
ACA862
ACA868

YVR:
ACA854
ACA896

YUL:
ACA864
ACA866

YOW:
ACA888

YYC:
ACA850
ACA852

YHZ via YYT:
ACA860

Benjamin  wink 



De-icing RULZ!!!
User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9959 times:

Given the market size, would AC ever consider A380 for YYZ-LHR, YUL-CDG, YVR-HKG, and YVR-NRT? These 4 routes could take up to 8 A380, should LHR run out of slots (maybe even FRA in the future?), the only way they can increase the volume is aircraft size.

User currently offlineAircanada333 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

I don't think AC will consider the A380 in the following years because a few months ago they had 3 744 and this plane was too big for AC's need.


De-icing RULZ!!!
25 Intothinair : How often does AC fly to FRA and MUC? considering they are Star Alliance atleast FRA should be similar to LHR interms of frequency? cheers, Konstantin
26 AirCanada014 : Well AC will be getting 777-300ERs maybe they might put that a/c for YYZ-LHR or YUL-CDG.
27 Post contains images Aircanada333 : AC as a daily flight to MUC from YYZ with a B763 (ACA846). They have one flight to FRA from YUL with an A333 (ACA874) Also one from YYC with an A333
28 Humberside : Not very likely after they pulled YYZ-GLA. Also with Air India and Air Transat on the route, I imagine yields would be quite low Perhaps yields would
29 Shamrock350 : I have payed way more than that on similar routes with BA. Sometimes nearly £700.
30 Post contains links EGNR : The Air Transat engine problem was not as a result of actions/inactions by Airbus, it was due to Air Transat mecahnics not following a service bullet
31 N587NK : OH MY GOD...That is clearly the airlines fault, there is just no other explanation for it..yeah thats it. must be the pilots not knowing what they ar
32 Hmmmm... : You have no clue. It was an Air Transat error. They installed the wrong part. What's worse, is that they knew it was the wrong part. What does Airbus
33 TCXDegsy : Let's not foget the successful routes by Canadian Affair to 10 Canadian Cities East and West, using TCX, MYT and now MON. Also, the Toronto route by T
34 Post contains links and images Concorde001 : Sorry to go of track, but is it me or do AC's new business class seats look very similar to Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class? I know NZ bought a license
35 Ozvirginuk : Concorde001 - you beat me to it. I was just about to say the same thing... looks very similar, although seems to lacking the "dining table" that the
36 AirCanada014 : After looking at all 3 business class pictures, does it look like from the angle we can't see out of the window during take off and landing? It looks
37 Post contains links Ozvirginuk : The seat is kind of angled away from the window. This does make photography slightly more of a task, but I have just returned from SFO in Upper Class
38 AirCanada014 : Hello Ozvirginuk Can you tell us if the seats flips over to a bed or if it reclines and slides forward?
39 Ozvirginuk : Hi Aircanada014 - on the VS upper class suite, the seat actually "flips" over and the back of the seat has a matress which is used for the bed. Looki
40 Milan320 : Nice to see that you pointed it out before history gets misconstrued. AirTransat new about this, but tried to do some "hacking" with a different part
41 LongHauler : And yet, AC carries more than twice as many passengers as BA between Canada and the UK.[Edited 2006-02-18 21:37:50]
42 AirbusfanYYZ : No. BA will be operating daily with two 772s and one 763 on the LHR-YYZ route. Cheers, Kaz
43 USADreamliner : 12!!!! the number between 11 and 13! Count again...please. Why there's always somebody looking for errors? USADreamliner
44 AirCanada014 : I wonder if AC will use the 5th freedom right to LHR via eastern city like BOS, EWR from YYZ? They already picked their first routing to SYD via LAX f
45 Post contains images B742 : Sorry its my mistake, it's actualy 13 I forgot to mention the Ottawa flight, which strangly isn't mentioned on Air Canada's ad of non-stop flights to
46 Post contains images A319XFW : Who cares about direct AC flights from YVR, YYZ etc to LHR When are they going to have a direct flight to YWG That way I can save changing in YYZ. I s
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