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Pricing Boeing And Airbus  
User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Leeham Company has an article on how Boeing and Airbus price their aircraft.

Below is the list price ($) and estimated discount (%) by Airline Monitor Magazine:

B737 $65 29.50%
B744 $221 24.35%
B767 $133 31.00%
B777 $212 31.00%
B787 $141 25.60%

A320 $70 34.60%
A330 $167 32.70%
A350 $171 27.00%
A343 $188 37.23%
A346 $212 31.60%
A380 $292 34.60%

There are, of course, stories around the industry that discounts are occasionally even deeper.
http://www.leeham.net/filelib/Excess_Baggage_AB_Boeing_pricing.pdf

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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Thank you for posting. We can argue all day long whether or not its "gospel", but at least its a data point for future reference.


"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Thanks for posting  Smile

By any chance does anyone know the price of the 747-8?  Smile

I hope this post doen't cause an A vs B war, personaly I like both Airbus and Boeing as much as eachother  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 1):
We can argue all day long whether or not its "gospel", but at least its a data point for future reference.

Yes, the article states:

Quote:
Richard Aboulafia of The Teal Group issued his estimates of the average prices paid per aircraft family. Comparing them to those issued in November by Ed Greenslet in his Airline Monitor magazine shows they are fairly close in agreement.


User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3898 times:

For 747-8 I think is 275.


But anyway this prices are a b..shit. 777-3000ER can't go over 170mil if you ask me.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2728 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3886 times:

The list prices of those models which have the version specified look pretty accurate and consistent to what I have as information. However, as the difference on the A343 and A346 suggests, it might be worth splitting out the other models too...
Some diversification of the figures for the Airbusses:

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
A330 $167

A330-200 goes for around $160 and the A333-300 at $175, also the discount is too high, currently no A330 for delivery before mid 2008 goes away with a discount higher than 28%...

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
A350 $171

A350-800 at $162 and A350-900 at $178


One I find off by quite a bit is the A320.

Quoting BoomBoom (Thread starter):
A320 $70

A318 starts at $50 and the A321 tops out at $78, with the A320 itself at $64, so this average is on the high side...


Anybody cares to split out the Boeing models?

[Edited 2006-02-18 00:33:37]

User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3791 times:

I think that these are the closest numbers that we will ever get...they certainly seem to indicate roughly how much each airline pays. The only one I find a bit high is the 777. Why would it be the highest discounted (% wise) plane when it is selling like hotcakes?

James



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3762 times:
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well look what I dug up!! actual contract prices CI paid for 744s and A333s in their financial report. look at page 54!
http://www.china-airlines.com/en/about/2004e.pdf

to all those who said I was full of .... for saying they paid 80 million for a A333 , I apologize profusely! I suspect that since these prices are almost list price, they may include significant spares/training packages.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Thanks for the link Trex8. Any idea how much those options cost?

[Edited 2006-02-18 01:52:21]

User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3715 times:
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
Thanks for the link Trex8. Any idea how much those options cost?

all I know is whats in the link, if you check previous year reports at their website, you find they paid 60 something million for their 738s and 160 for A343. They seem to like to use the term aggregate price for the contracts which again leads me to think the price quoted in the reports is not just for the plane itself but everything else related to it also. Their history is also to use single banks to finance individual planes so the 80 something million for a A333 may still be the price of the plane itself an maybe even less the engines which for a A333 are probably 10 mil a piece.

[Edited 2006-02-18 02:11:20]

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 6):
Why would it be the highest discounted (% wise) plane when it is selling like hotcakes?

That could be the reson why it is selling like hotcakes.


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