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What Happens To SLC?  
User currently offlineAcjflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 426 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

If DL ever takes a hit and has to liquidate what would become of SLC? Who would move in and take over the gates? I've heard everything from B6 moving in, to CO making it one of their hubs, even FL putting in some flights. Anyone heard anything relevant on this topic?

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User currently offlineAZFLYER84 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

I think if DL would decrease their ops at SLC, B6 would increase ops at SLC, Wn would add another 8 gates, Air Tran would start service, and Us would open another couple of gates, but there would be alot of open gates though.

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Yeah, I'd expect UA to increase its presence given that it is the 'second' legacy after DL there really (enough flights per day from DEN to access almost anywhere easily), also given that Western used to operate duel hubs in both SLC and DEN. There is definately a lot of business to be had here.

CO would do well given that it is week in the west, as is AA.

As for Jetblue... YES highly likely, given the background of their CEO already having established operations in SLC before. He's very well connected in that city and I'm sure he'd be able to win a lot of business contracts from companies that are headquatered there, IF, and ONLY IF, he had a sizeable network. In other words, as long as the product is good enough to meet their needs, he's already first in line for the corporate contracts.

So my bet would be Jetblue, CO and UA.


User currently offlineTedEx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

I wonder what OO's role would be like in SLC with a DL liqudation.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

My thoughts is it would become a focus city for a couple of airlines and would benifit from lower fares due to increase in carriers offering service now.

F9 I could see as first to build up flights.
B6 also would increase flights.
CO I could see building up slightly.
WN slight increase
US slight increase



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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4691 times:

WN would probably add alot of flights and make it a sizeable operation. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3803 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

In the event of Delta going bye-bye, it seems highly likely that Southwest would ramp up their presence at SLC, if in no other way by adding frequencies to fill the void left by DL's demise in markets currently served by WN. Can also see the possibility of SLC becoming more prominent as a second-tier focus city for WN.

SLC post-Delta would also seem to potentially be a natural for JetBlue to seriously consider as a focus-city or incidental (non-banked) western hub.

And virtually guaranteed, if/when DL is gone, Alaska would start SEA-SLC-SEA as soon as possible at least 3-4 times daily with 737 and/or MD80 service and, more than likely, PDX-SLC-PDX, with mainline or Horizon CR7 (or some combination thereof) service 2-3 times daily. Might even see BOI-SLC-BOI 1-2 times daily by Horizon with DH4 or CR7.

The significant number of pax who presently use SLC as nothing more than a connecting point would be quickly absorbed by other airlines who can take them from the same point A to the same point B city-pair combinations, albeit through different hub cities.


User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

With WN adding flights in SLC if DL goes CH7, WN would be the largest/dominant carrier in SLC. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 7):
With WN adding flights in SLC if DL goes CH7, WN would be the largest/dominant carrier in SLC. Robert NWDC10

Not quite, OO could continue outta of SLC with their own flights branded under OO. They wouldn't have the same amount of flights but they would still dominate the SLC market and airport.



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 8):
Not quite, OO could continue outta of SLC with their own flights branded under OO. They wouldn't have the same amount of flights but they would still dominate the SLC market and airport.

I was thinking the same thing, but remember what happened the last time a carrier tried CRJ ops under their own name?(aka Indy Air) They crashed and burned, OO isn't that stupid.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 9):
I was thinking the same thing, but remember what happened the last time a carrier tried CRJ ops under their own name?(aka Indy Air) They crashed and burned, OO isn't that stupid.

True however I would imagine they would have very little competition on certain routes and would probably try to fly more United Express flying outta SLC. I don't see OO trying the same thing as Indy Air (buying Airbus etc.) although my strong opinion is if UA & US can make it out of bankrupcy as long as they were in, then DL going under isn't likely. Just my 0.02 cents.



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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 8):
Not quite, OO could continue outta of SLC with their own flights branded under OO. They wouldn't have the same amount of flights but they would still dominate the SLC market and airport.

Don't forget that OO has no res system or anything. Flying under DL, they're in a similar position as OH. It would take a lot of work to operate independently, as there is no reservations infastructure at all, it all goes through DL.

It's certainly possible, but it would be an awful lot of work. I think it would be more likley that another carrier would acquire OO simply for their equipment and presence at SLC, and have them continue to operate it, just under another name.

I know OO isn't wholely owned- do they currently fly for anyone other than DL??



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 11):
I know OO isn't wholely owned- do they currently fly for anyone other than DL??

UA I think



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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 12):
UA I think

You may be right-

OO works ground for UA at my airport, but the actual flight services are by Colgan Air (not sure what their airline code is). Before Colgan, they were operated by Mesa, still with OO ground though...



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User currently offlineAcjflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 426 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 12):
UA I think

OO does indeed operate for UA with flights through DEN,ORD,SFO,and LAX.

http://www.skywest.com/routemaps/rm_img/united_72.gif


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

I think if that were to happen that AS would step in..... they have kicked DL butt since the WA merger... no reason for them to stop now... I have to think that they are planning more "Kick DL Butt" strategy anyway... DL has shown they cannot defend against AS superior service levels...


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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 2):
Yeah, I'd expect UA to increase its presence given that it is the 'second' legacy after DL there really (enough flights per day from DEN to access almost anywhere easily), also given that Western used to operate duel hubs in both SLC and DEN. There is definately a lot of business to be had here.

We (UA) have been cutting back mainline in SLC the last few years. About 80% of our flying into SLC is Express. Western never had SLC and DEN as hubs at the same time. I believe SLC became a hub in 1983/1984.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

Why are we so sure of B6 increasing service alot? They only had 1 gate when I was there 2 months ago... has that changed lately?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 17):
Why are we so sure of B6 increasing service alot? They only had 1 gate when I was there 2 months ago... has that changed lately?

It has to do with Neelman's Mormon background and ties to the city. In fact, he got into trouble for opening SLC before SYR (or was it ROC) and B6's call center is in SLC.



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User currently offlineN175UA744 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

I hope DL works things out. I live near Salt Lake, and losing a major player like Delta would be a blow. And plus, its that much less spotting I would be able to do:P

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3906 times:
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Quoting RampRat74 (Reply 16):
Western never had SLC and DEN as hubs at the same time. I believe SLC became a hub in 1983/1984.

Neither were hubs, but both were focus cities.
SLC with services to the big cities as well as up thru Eastern Idaho,Wyoming,and Montana.
DEN had services to big sities then into South Dakota,Wyoming, and Billings.
Bith served Western in its own way.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

oooo I didn't know they had a call center etc. in SLC.


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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3803 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 20):
Quoting RampRat74 (Reply 16):
Western never had SLC and DEN as hubs at the same time. I believe SLC became a hub in 1983/1984.

Neither were hubs, but both were focus cities.

According to Western route maps in my timetables collection...

1979-1981: both SLC and DEN could be considered as major focus cities for Western, perhaps even small hubs

1982: SLC was clearly becoming a major hub for Western, serving 26 destinations non-stop while DEN had shrunk to only 9 destinations served non-stop

1984: SLC was clearly Western's major hub with no less than 46 cities served non-stop; DEN had been reduced to only 2 non-stop routes, YYC and the spoke to the SLC hub. LAX had been established as a second hub or major focus city with non-stop flights to 14 cities in the western U.S. plus HNL, YYC, YVR and 6 Mexico destinations: MZT, GDL, PVR, ZIH, MEX and ACA.

1986: Virtually identical to 1984 for mainline; Western had added Skwest as a "Western Express" regional partner at SLC at some point after 1984, with service to several smaller cities not previously served by Western.

1987: Western merged into Delta who for about 2 years kept Western's SLC, DEN and LAX operations much the same as 1984-86 except under the Delta banner; as I recall, Western's aircraft were re-painted into full Delta liveries in what seemed like no more than a few months.


User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
B6's call center is in SLC.

I thought the B6 call center was in their call center employees' homes. Is this reservations only, or are all of their home-based call center employees in and around SCL?

Anyway, F9 and B6 and everyone elso could increase, but if CO had the capital avalable to pick up the gates and enough aircraft, they could replace DL there. Unfortuantely, I don't know if they could get that much money.



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User currently offlineSeaTran From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

I think AirTran would most assuredly step in with service.

25 BigJimFX : Don't worry.... The Mormans will think of something!
26 Post contains images Piercey : Continental. They could pick up a western hub with ease and, if the CLE shut down happens (at which point my life will suck ) they'd, in theory, have
27 PanAm330 : If DL shut down, opportunity would be breaking down F9's door, at least in my opinion.
28 Post contains images L1329II : Do you have any basis other than assumptions on this one? There is no "call center" in SLC. In fact I read somewhere (no i cant find it) that some B6
29 PeachAir : Guy's, Lets stop already. All of this Moday morning quarterbacking. I am so tired of hearing all of this SH**. Most of you all don't have enough time
30 Skymileman : I think if DL went away, a lot of cities who have service from SLC would never see a replacement for that service. For example, cities in MT would nev
31 Post contains images BigJimFX : My Wife-To-Be would probably kill me for that. She's a Mormon! All cynicism aside, I think you proved my point for me. There are a large number of pe
32 Tango-Bravo : It ain't magic, and it isn't like they "just do" because of some mystical 34-year string of nothing but good luck. Sure, you have to be lucky to be g
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