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Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation  
User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...KOC_0_US-SECURITY-LASER.xml&rpc=22


NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New Jersey man was sentenced to two years probation on Friday after he pleaded guilty to interfering with pilots of an aircraft by shining a hand-held laser into the cockpit of a private jet...


...U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said he had not opposed the defense's request for a sentence that did not include prison time.

"At no time did we believe that Mr. Banach was involved in terrorism or that he should face a maximum penalty of 20 years in a federal prison," Christie said in a statement.



I think that this is stupid, that they guy gets off with little more than a slap on the wrist. What kind of a message does this send to the other idiots that are out there doing this? They should have used this to set an example and slammed the guy with jail time (not 20 years though).

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User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Agreed. Now it justs seems like if it ain't terrorism then it pretty much is ok.


Weren't there recent reports of pilots being interfered by laser beams while on approach to DTW? Even more reason to make someone an example!


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12883 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

I live near TEB, so I am more concerned than most over this idiot's acts. While not intentionally acting to create havoc, he will pay in many ways. He has lost his job and will have difficulty in getting any other decent one for a long time, will have a criminal record for the rest of his life, probably lost a chunk of money for lawyers and ticked off a lot of people. Still, it would have been better for this guy to get some jail time to get the point accross of the critical danger these devices present.
There has been a proliferation of laser devices including for household use (home decorating and renovations), surveying, measuring, presentation pens and so on so there will continue to be a increasing risk of these devices. Of course, there is the legitment fear of intentionally harmful acts from these devices by NIMBY's going too far in their protest as to nearby airports and of acts of potential terror to cause airline crashes.


User currently onlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
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Quoting APFPilot1985 (Thread starter):
I think that this is stupid, that they guy gets off with little more than a slap on the wrist. What kind of a message does this send to the other idiots that are out there doing this? They should have used this to set an example and slammed the guy with jail time (not 20 years though).

Bingo!

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
Still, it would have been better for this guy to get some jail time to get the point accross of the critical danger these devices present.

This definitely deserves jail! ("do no pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail")

Russell



Things aren't always as they seem
User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting Mika (Reply 1):
Weren't there recent reports of pilots being interfered by laser beams while on approach to DTW? Even more reason to make someone an example!

exactly. clowns will continue to do this kind of thing, until they are faced with real jail time


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

He should have been charged with attempted murder, as that's exactly what it is.

Something I have very strong feelings about. This laser crap is nothing less than an attempt to bring down an aircraft and kill the occupants.


User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

As someone who flies in and out of TEB more than I care to admit to, the outcome of this case is more alarming than anything. It's a slap in the face to the many professional aviators who use this airport safely, hundreds of times a day. It's a challenging enough environment, particularly on departure, without idiots like this risking passengers, flight crews and people on the ground alike. To suggest his actions were not terrorist related completely misses the point as to his true intent, which was to harm and possibly murder others. He better pray our paths never cross.


My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 5):
He should have been charged with attempted murder, as that's exactly what it is

I don't think it is attempted murder...if anything happened, maybe manslaughter, but it was proven he did not purposely attempt to kill occupants, and that is the definition of attempted murder, FYI...at least according to American law, where the incident occured

While I agree it was bad what he did, and I am for sure not defending him, it would be worse for his three little girls to grow up without a father if he did get sentenced to 20 years in jail. Since none of us know the ins and outs of this case, I don't believe anyone of us should say how horrible of a person this guy is.


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Thread starter):
They should have used this to set an example and slammed the guy with jail time (not 20 years though).

He's an idiot that has a very childish sense of humor, but he doesn't deserve jail time at all. I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved - a slap on the wrists.

AAndrew


User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 8):
I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved - a slap on the wrists.


You can't be serious. You don't point a laser at a flight crew for sh1ts and giggles. The intent to harm was there, if you're just fooling around, you point a flashlight.



My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3581 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 2007 times:

It all depends on the type of laser. If it was just a Class I laser pointer, then there was no real danger to the crew and pax and the sentence was appropriate. If it was a higher power Class IIIb laser, he should be sentenced to death as either a terrorist, or to improve the gene pool.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 1996 times:

I would go for 10 days plus 2 years probation. Even 10 days in jail would set this guy straight if he was truly just a moron, and let others know that you are potentially subject to a "prison hazing" if you try this sort of thing.


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User currently offlineL1329ii From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 5):
He should have been charged with attempted murder, as that's exactly what it is.

Something I have very strong feelings about. This laser crap is nothing less than an attempt to bring down an aircraft and kill the occupants.

Oh please! Isnt this a little melodramatic?  Yeah sure Although his sentence was rather light the guy got what he deserved and then some. I'm sure he had no intention of sabatoge other than annoying the pilots. I guarantee he wont do it again.


User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

This guy's intent was malicious, pure and simple. First of all, the airport has recently been embroiled in a battle with several nimbys regarding safety and the feasibility of closing the airport. Second, with the recent well publicized laser events against airlines in SLC and LAS, I find it hard to believe that he thought he was being unique. His timing was too obvious.


My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 9):

You can't be serious. You don't point a laser at a flight crew for sh1ts and giggles. The intent to harm was there, if you're just fooling around, you point a flashlight.

Most flashlights wouldn't reach up to an aircraft and it wouldn't be very noticeable to pilots if it did. Not annoying. A laser pointer does annoy the pilots. I doubt this husband and father of three from Jersey is a terrorist, and the US Attorney agrees with me.

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 13):
This guy's intent was malicious, pure and simple.

Give me a break! The guy pointed a laser at a plane to see if he could piss of a pilot, not to see if he could bring down a Lear Jet. Thank God cooler heads prevaled.

AAndrew


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 8):
I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved -

Bull, if he had no idea of the danger that it posed why did he blame it on his daughters?

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 10):
It all depends on the type of laser. If it was just a Class I laser pointer, then there was no real danger to the crew and pax and the sentence was appropriate. If it was a higher power Class IIIb laser, he should be sentenced to death as either a terrorist, or to improve the gene pool.

It was more than a laser pointer, it was a green laser so that would lead me to believe that it was a Class IIIb laser

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 14):
Give me a break! The guy pointed a laser at a plane to see if he could piss of a pilot,

That would be malicious, sport. Do you really think it is a good idea to piss off a pilot while he is on approach anyway?


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

So what are you saying? That when pilots get pissed off, they ususally crash their planes? Pilots get pissed off every day and don't crash their planes. If it was his intention to piss off the pilot, it can not be assumed, therefore, that his intention was to down the plane.


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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 16):
So what are you saying? That when pilots get pissed off, they ususally crash their planes? Pilots get pissed off every day and don't crash their planes.

Noooo.... I am saying that when I am on approach i really don't like to be distracted and I would assume that this is a common trait amongst pilots (hence the sterile cockpit rule)


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21105 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 14):
I doubt this husband and father of three from Jersey is a terrorist, and the US Attorney agrees with me.

Does one have to be a terrorist to be a danger to others? Of course not. We send people who drive drunk to jail because their presence on the road is a danger to others on the road, whether it is their intent to be a danger to others or not. This guy was a danger to planes in the sky, and the people on board those planes. Perhaps before 9/11 it could have been understandable that he didn't know better, but not after. He was trying to screw with the pilots, and he knew it. If he had been on the plane and tried to screw with the pilots, he would have been thrown in jail (and we wouldn't hear a word of protest from anyone). Why does the fact that he was on the ground change things?

-Mir



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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 8):
He's an idiot that has a very childish sense of humor, but he doesn't deserve jail time at all. I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved - a slap on the wrists.

Don't agree with your analysis.

Interfering with the sight of someone operating a machine that needs to be operated correctly to avoid injury or loss of life is potentially extremely dangerous. I think a brief custodial sentence should be given in these cases in order to send out the message that this behaviour is quite unacceptable. Why wait until someone is killed?

Interference with high power lasers able to damage eyesight, should, I think, attract a sentence commensurate with those given for offences involving serious physical harm to another.

The fact that someone (aware that he is doing wrong) has not contemplated the potential consequences of his wrongdoing does not excuse his wrongdoing.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2336 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):
While I agree it was bad what he did, and I am for sure not defending him, it would be worse for his three little girls to grow up without a father if he did get sentenced to 20 years in jail.

And if he did bring the plane down, what about the pilot's and FO's kids???



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User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Quoting L1329ii (Reply 12):
I'm sure he had no intention of sabatoge other than annoying the pilots. I guarantee he wont do it again.

How the hell do you know this, through an interview, or simple mind reading technique??



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 15):

Bull, if he had no idea of the danger that it posed why did he blame it on his daughters?

Hindsight is 20/20.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 15):

That would be malicious, sport. Do you really think it is a good idea to piss off a pilot while he is on approach anyway?

No it's not a good idea. But he was firing a laser pointer, not a rocket. I'm assuming we're talking about the laser pointers people use at assemblies and speeches. If it's a more powerful version, I might have to reconsider my thinking.

Quoting Art (Reply 19):
I think a brief custodial sentence should be given in these cases in order to send out the message that this behaviour is quite unacceptable.

The message was sent out with this punishment.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 20):

And if he did bring the plane down, what about the pilot's and FO's kids???

But he didn't, so that's irrelevant.

Quoting D950 (Reply 21):

How the hell do you know this, through an interview, or simple mind reading technique??

Why are you assuming that his intention was to kill someone?

AAndrew


User currently offlineSmokescreen From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

He tried to make a seven year old girl take the fall for his asinine and dangerous behaviour? Some father. Maybe his three daughters would be better off if he WAS sent to jail for twenty years.

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 20):
And if he did bring the plane down, what about the pilot's and FO's kids???

Than this would be a COMPLETELY different story. If people had died from this, than he would in fact be justified being charged with multiple counts of manslaughter at the least. But...no one did. This was a possibly deadly situation, but in the end wasn't. No one loses a parent, child, husband, wife, etc. Was he right in doing this? NO. But I personally believe he got what he deserved, no more, no less.


25 APFPilot1985 : Well than start reconsidering as it has been pointed out multiple times in this thread as well as in the news articles that it was more. That is just
26 Aa757first : Where? The below quote doesn't count as it appears to be speculation. AAndrew
27 Iowaman : How would you like to be a pilot in the cockpit having a laser shined in your eyes and ruin your eyesight like what has happened in some of these case
28 Post contains images NWOrientDC10 : First this guy does what he did, then he got cute and did it again. When caught, he blames his daughter. Even if the little girl did it, he's still re
29 AirlineAV8tr : Bingo, and Bingo! He should've been charged with interfering with a flight crew, and criminal mischief. To blame his daughter shows that she's the ma
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