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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2168 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

I saw some aerial pictures of the Le Raizet airport on the island of Guadeloupe (French West Indies), and I wanted to know more about what is what there.

From what I can tell, the main passenger terminal is on the north side of the runway, with 5-6 stands for mainline jets. Do only mainline jets (i.e. Airbus and Boeing planes from the airlines coming into PTP) use these stands? Or are they also used by commuter planes?

To the west of that is another tarmac with about 10 stands in either west or east orientation. Is this where the commuter aircraft park? Do all airlines' commuter planes use these stands? Are some of them "reserved" or typically used by Air Caraibes, or is there mixed usage by airlines?

Then there is another building to the East of the main terminal. Architecturally, it looks like the main terminal. Is this the cargo area?

Then, on the south side of the runway is a series of buildings which look like the old terminal. Is that right? Which aircraft are parked in front of those buildings these days?

And then, to the West of the old building there seems to be a small base of the French Air Force? True? Are there any planes stationed there, or is it just for visiting traffic?

Final question: where do GA planes park?

Thanks for any clarifications!

Mozart

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Hi Mozart,

If you have links to the aerial photos you've seen that might help us a bit more. I've been to PTP and I was amazed how big their airport is for an island. The way I saw it, it's managed by ADP, the same airport organization in France which manages all or most of France's airports. The airport's main terminal looks like an exact replica of CDG with the glass design.

As for the traffic, I have no idea how much traffic there is but as far as I know, there's not that much traffic compared to let's say Barbados, St. Martin and Aruba. The only mainline carriers flying to PTP are Air France and Corsair and of course they also have their own airline Air Caraibes which has a decent fleet of A332, ERJ145, ATR72 and DO228s. Besides these airlines, you have more regional airlines such as Air Antilles Express and maybe also Caribbean Star (?), LIAT (?). Which other airlines fly scheduled flights to PTP? Does AF still operate the A320 from PTP or has Air Caraibes taken over this route to MIA with their ERJ145?

About cargo movement, I don't know anything about PTP, but please if someone else has more information share it here. I would like to know more about PTP as well.

EDIT: I think I know where you've seen the photos, is it at planepictures.net?

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=374780

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=370633

I see AF Cargo also has flights to PTP, are these charterflights or scheduled flights? What cargo demand is there to PTP to justify a 747 full freighter?

Also, the A380 also stopped over in PTP after the tests in Colombia. Another thing, can anyone tell me if there is an airport hotel very close to the airport? I would like to go aircraft spotting in PTP but don'r know about the hotels and possible spotting locations? Any help here?

EDIT2: I'm sorry, the A380 went to FDF instead of PTP.

A388

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[Edited 2006-02-19 01:00:30]

User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2168 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

A388,

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
If you have links to the aerial photos you've seen that might help us a bit more.

Sorry, I did not see them online, but in a book a friend had.

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
been to PTP and I was amazed how big their airport is for an island.

True, it's "just" an island, but it has almost 500.000 inhabitants, it's a major holiday destination for travelers from "Metropole" France (=European part of France), and one shouldn't forget that it's not some sort of colony but a fully integrated part of France, with the same administrative status than Alsace or the Côte d'Azur, and strong economic ties. This also implies that there is quite some traffic to and from European France, with both business people going back and forth as well as many VFRs in both directions. Also, PTP has a sort of mini hub status for France in the Caribbean, and actually the airport is called "Porte Caraibes".

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
The way I saw it, it's managed by ADP, the same airport organization in France which manages all or most of France's airports.

Oh my god, the poor guys in PTP... they really deserve better than the professional loosers from ADP!

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
The airport's main terminal looks like an exact replica of CDG with the glass design.

Mind you, many French airports look like this these days. Just look at Nice Terminal 1, Pau, Lille, etc.

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
The only mainline carriers flying to PTP are Air France and Corsair and of course they also have their own airline Air Caraibes which has a decent fleet of A332, ERJ145, ATR72 and DO228s. Besides these airlines, you have more regional airlines such as Air Antilles Express and maybe also Caribbean Star (?), LIAT (?). Which other airlines fly scheduled flights to PTP? Does AF still operate the A320 from PTP or has Air Caraibes taken over this route to MIA with their ERJ145?

Air France has daily 747s to Paris, and seasonally 2 flights/day. These flights will be done by 777-300ERs from this summer on. Corsair goes frequently from and to Paris as well as other provincial French airports. Air Caraibes of course is strong, and LIAT, Caribbean Star, American Eagle and Air Canada also go there. The A320 on the Cayenne-Fort de France-Pointe à Pitre-Porte au Prince-Miami route still runs. As a matter of fact, AF and AIr Caraibes have severed their ties when TX started offering its own services to Paris with its A330-200s.

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
I see AF Cargo also has flights to PTP, are these charterflights or scheduled flights? What cargo demand is there to PTP to justify a 747 full freighter?

I am not surprised. Given that Gouadeloupe is really fully integrated economically into France, there are many goods moved back and forth.


Now, after my answering your questions, could you also tell me something about my questions?  Wink  Wink

Best

Mozart


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Hey Mozart,

How are doing. I can't really answer your questions as I've only been there once on a diverted flight from CDG to SXM. I know about Guadeloupe is fully integrated in France, but I don't know much more about the island. I would love to visit the island again as it looked very nice what I saw when I was there for those two days.

SJU, SXM, AUA, POS and PTP are the airports on my list I would like to visit for aircraft photography Big grin

A388


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1873 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2099 times:

Quoting Mozart (Thread starter):
From what I can tell, the main passenger terminal is on the north side of the runway, with 5-6 stands for mainline jets. Do only mainline jets (i.e. Airbus and Boeing planes from the airlines coming into PTP) use these stands?

All pax-planes use these stands. On the right site of the (new) main terminal [Le Raizet] are some stands for commuterplanes. And at the left side is the cargoarea.

It's easy to make photos (from a garden out) to the commuterplanes.


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At the other (southern side) is the old terminal. From there are no schedule flights since the demise of Air Calypso. It is used somtetimes for charter flights out of Italy and France. As I know, Cubana also us this old terminal.

There are some old planes of Air Caraibes stored ("to be scrapped"). From there you could also make pictures of aircraft which are on the runway.


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When I was there I asked the boss of the airport (the office is in the new building) to get an access for the tarmak. It was not a problem.

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
I'm sorry, the A380 went to FDF instead of PTP.

The A380 was at PTP, see the homepage of the airport: http://www.guadeloupe.aeroport.fr/aeroport.php

I'm not sure, if there is a hotel near the airport.

btw: in the newspaper of Guadeloupe are the daily flights out of and into PTP written.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2092 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 4):
The A380 was at PTP, see the homepage of the airport: http://www.guadeloupe.aeroport.fr/ae...t.php

Hi Viasa, thanks for the correction. So I was right, but I guess the A380 went to both PTP and FDF? I can only find photos on planepictures.net taken in FDF.

Your nickname (Viasa) also remembers me of the good old times. How would I love to see a Viasa DC-10 or A300 arrive at my airport just like they did in the past...

A388  Smile


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 4):
On the right site of the (new) main terminal [Le Raizet]

The "new" Terminal's name is "Pôle Caraïbes"
"Le Raizet" is the name of the old south Terminal.

PTP-Le Raizet welcomed its first passengers in 1965.
The new North Terminal "Pôle Caraïbes" was inaugurated in 1996.

These two terminal have a capacity of 4 Millions PAX/Year.
In terms of PAX Traffic, PTP is ranking N°1 among French overseas territories airports, and 9th of total French airports.

Concerning Freight traffic, PTP is ranking 2nd of the French Overseas airport and 8th of total French airports.

The old South Terminal is still used to welcome Cruise ships passengers, Charter flights and private general aviation.

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Does AF still operate the A320 from PTP

 yes 
AF3943 = MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY
AF3942 = CAY-FDF-PTP-PAP-MIA

The 166 seats A320 based in PTP is F-GKXC.

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Thanks for the information FlySSC. Do AF and Air Caraibes still co-operate on the MIA flights or have those ties been broken as well? How about the PTP-ORY flights? Do they still work together now that Air Caraibes flies the route with their own aircraft? Does AF do the training of the flight crew of the A330 oprated by Air Caraibes? The A330-300 Air Caraibes ordered last year will it replace the A332s or is it an addition to the fleet for further expansion?

A388


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
Do AF and Air Caraibes still co-operate on the MIA flights

 no 

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
or have those ties been broken as well?

 yes 

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
How about the PTP-ORY flights?

Idem. No cooperation.

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
Does AF do the training of the flight crew of the A330 oprated by Air Caraibes?

They were used to. I think it is still the case.

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
The A330-300 Air Caraibes ordered last year will it replace the A332s or is it an addition to the fleet for further expansion?

Initially, the A333 was supposed to replace the A332, but it is rumored that Air Caraïbes would keep it to open more direct routes to French Provinces. The problem is that that kind of traffic is even more seasonal than Paris, so ... wait and see !


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