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What Will SQ's Initial Routes Be For The A380?  
User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 832 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8238 times:

What will SQ's initial routes be for the A380?


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User currently offlineJJeff From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8217 times:
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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12288 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8217 times:
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SIN-LHR, SIN-SYD and SIN-LAX

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8144 times:

What about SIN-HKG-SFO? From what I heard it is the most profitable SQ flight.

User currently offlineAirtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

So far only SIN-SYD (1st destination) and SIN-LHR have been officially announced SIN-NRT has been mentioned as a possibility by the CEO so this seems a likely route. As for the rest, we can only speculate. The one route that at first seemed likely, SIN-HKG-SFO, now appears less and less so, given the performance issues that seem to be debated a lot on these forums.

My guesses for the utilization for the rest of the 10 aircraft fleet are SIN-MEL; SIN-NRT-LAX or SIN-FRA-JFK. In particular, I increasingly see that SIN-FRA-JFK could perhaps be a good idea, given that it could fit well into a schedule involving thrice daily A380 flights to LHR (the A380 will allow SQ to carry more passengers to LHR on its existing slots) and dailies into SYD,MEL,NRT. The nightly flight to FRA continuing on to JFK is also often pretty packed so much so that LH is also planning for the A380 on the SIN-FRA route, not to mention the numerous connection possibilities with LH through FRA. Introducing the A380 to JFK will also allow SQ to introduce its newest and most prestigious product, into the most affluent and sophisticated market in the US, New York.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8088 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
What about SIN-HKG-SFO? From what I heard it is the most profitable SQ flight.

lots of threads about SQ not using the beast for this route as it might not have the legs to do it year round with full pax/cargo/bars/swimming pool/tennis courts....



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

The original plan was that SIN-HKG-SFO would be the first route. That plan was abandoned when it turned out that the WhaleJet wouldn't be able to carry a satisfactory payload nonstop on the SFO-HKG segment year-round.

The second plan was that SIN-LHR (SQ317/SQ322) would be the first route. Then, to hit back at QF for torpedoing SQ's SIN-SYD-LAX ambitions, SQ decided to introduce the WhaleJet to SYD first, followed by LHR several weeks later.

SIN-FRA is eventually plausible for one of the daily flights, but FRA-JFK is not. SQ does not have great loads on FRA-JFK. FRA-JFK in C class is heavily discounted.

SIN-NRT-LAX is plausible, but SQ would rather add capacity to the SIN-LAX nonstop than to either of the connecting flights.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

I think maybe eventually once they have all 10.

SIN-LHR 2x Daily (3 aircraft)
SIN-SYD 2x Daily (2)
SIN-MEL Daily (1)
SIN-AKL Daily (1)
SIN-FRA Daily (2)
SIN-NRT Daily (1)

Depends on ground times but I think they can fit those in with 10 aircraft.

I think they will use them to AKL and MEL mainly because they pack the 744's that run the routes today are packed. AKL currently runs 12 weekly with daily 744's and 5 weekly 772ER's should be daily by years end I think. MEL runs 3x daily with 1 744 and 2 773's.


User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Gday

Will the 380's SIN-SYD replace just one of their daily flights - or two? As far as I know they currently have 3 x daily.

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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

Quoting Thaigold (Reply 8):

Will the 380's SIN-SYD replace just one of their daily flights - or two? As far as I know they currently have 3 x daily.

They do have 3x daily 744's at the moment. Personally I think they will run 2 A380's to SYD and the third flight will either stay a 744 or go to a new 77W.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 97
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7839 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
The original plan was that SIN-HKG-SFO would be the first route. That plan was abandoned when it turned out that the WhaleJet wouldn't be able to carry a satisfactory payload nonstop on the SFO-HKG segment year-round.

Out of interest, where did this flight divert to...?  cheeky 


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5304 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
The original plan was that SIN-HKG-SFO would be the first route. That plan was abandoned when it turned out that the WhaleJet wouldn't be able to carry a satisfactory payload nonstop on the SFO-HKG segment year-round.

MEL-LAX is 7921 miles and QF are planning on putting the A380 on this route first. Why can't it make HKG-SFO which is 1000 miles shorter?


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
Why can't it make HKG-SFO which is 1000 miles shorter?



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
That plan was abandoned when it turned out that the WhaleJet wouldn't be able to carry a satisfactory payload nonstop on the SFO-HKG segment year-round.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7562 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):
Out of interest, where did this flight divert to...?

When SQ have to make a technical stop on the SFO-HKG route, the most common place is TPE.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):

MEL-LAX is 7921 miles and QF are planning on putting the A380 on this route first. Why can't it make HKG-SFO which is 1000 miles shorter?

SFO-HKG has more severe headwinds in the winter than LAX-MEL. Another consideration is that when LAX-MEL comes up short, a tech stop can be made at SYD, which is not so bad from QF's perspective. Issues with legality of crew duty times are easy for QF to resolve in SYD.

Also, when was the last time QF publically committed to operating the WhaleJet LAX-MEL? It seems to me that it has been a while. I don't know QF's current plans for the WhaleJet. SYD-LAX seems more likely to me given the disappointing payload/range performance.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7512 times:

Despite i know Paris is not a very important station for SQ , i heard , the A380 could be a possibilty here.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Despite i know Paris is not a very important station for SQ , i heard , the A380 could be a possibilty here.

I was chatting with an SQ management employee at CDG several days ago. SQ's loads to/from CDG are pretty good, but yields are not what they would like them to be. I think SQ will keep the JumboJet on CDG for several more years, perhaps until they can replace it with the new -8 JumboJet. I think the B777-300ER is too small and the WhaleJet is too large for daily CDG service. If SQ don't order the new JumboJet, I hesitate to predict whether SQ would choose to operate CDG with a B777-300ER (low revenues, but good profits) or a WhaleJet (good revenues, but poor -- if any -- profits).


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7338 times:

it's too bad, but I guess due to range and pehaps other factors, they won't use the A-380 on the EWR-SIN non-stop flight. In a few years, could the EWR-SIN n/c be replaced by a 747-'800' from the current A340's?

User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

What about the 15 A380 option SQ still have, how likely will this option be exercised?

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13):
Also, when was the last time QF publically committed to operating the WhaleJet LAX-MEL? It seems to me that it has been a while. I don't know QF's current plans for the WhaleJet. SYD-LAX seems more likely to me given the disappointing payload/range performance.

mid Nov 2005, when the A380 was in melbourne.

I think the A380 will come onto MEL fairly early in the piece.
As someone mentioned, SQ227/228 which is currently a B744 is ALWAYS packed.

MTWTFSS 8:55p SIN 2 5:55a+1 MEL 2 SQ 227 Non-stop 744 7:00
MTWTFSS 3:50p MEL 2 9:40p SIN 2 SQ 228 Non-stop 744 7:50

Only issue is that this flight has a long layover, which means that it sits on the ground all day. The alternative would be for SQ to operate the A380 as SQ337 inbound, then use the aircraft as SQ228 outbound.

In other words:
11:40p SIN 2 8:55a+1 MEL 2 SQ 237 Non-stop 773 7:15
3:50p MEL 2 9:40p SIN 2 SQ 228 Non-stop 744 7:50

2 hour turnaround in SIN should be sufficient.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

Hey, a short question: Will SQ replace the 744 with the 380 on all 3 flights to LHR? If anyone knows.

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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1071 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5685 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13):
YD-LAX seems more likely to me given the disappointing payload/range performance.

Where exactly has it been said that the A380 has disappointing payload/range performance, seeing that no airline revenue flight has occured?



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4739 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
could the EWR-SIN n/c be replaced by a 747-'800' from the current A340's?

The B747-8 does not have the range to operate EWR-SIN with a commercially viable payload. LAX-SIN would be easier, but probably not quite easy enough.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 17):
What about the 15 A380 option SQ still have, how likely will this option be exercised?

Right now, an SQ exercise of WhaleJet options looks extremely unlikely. It may become more clear if SQ make an announcement this week at the air show.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 19):
Will SQ replace the 744 with the 380 on all 3 flights to LHR? If anyone knows.

SQ will replace the JumboJet with the WhaleJet on the early morning LHR flights (SQ317/SQ322). SQ might replace the JumboJet with the WhaleJet on the late afternoon flights. There is no consideration being given to operating the WhaleJet on the early afternoon LHR flights.

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 20):

Where exactly has it been said that the A380 has disappointing payload/range performance, seeing that no airline revenue flight has occured?

Do a search. It's been discussed ad nausseum.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Wasnt the A380 scheduled to operate the following routes:

Singapore-Bangkok
Singapore-Bombay
Singapore-Delhi
Singapore-Frankfurt-New York
Singapore-Hong Kong-San Francisco
Singapore-London
Singapore-Tokyo-Los Angeles
Singapore-Sydney

Although there may be payload restrictions on the Hong Kong-San Francisco sector, that does not prevent Singapore Airlines from using the A380 on one of the airlines highest yielding routes. The lift of the A380 is needed from San Francisco to Hong Kong. Other airlines have taken payload restrictions on routes for years. Examples can be found on Alitalia SFO-MXP ex 2001, United JFK-HKG ex 2001, American SJC-TPE ex 2001, America West PHX-HNL, America West PHX-OGG, and so forth..


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10188 posts, RR: 97
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
The original plan was that SIN-HKG-SFO would be the first route. That plan was abandoned when it turned out that the WhaleJet wouldn't be able to carry a satisfactory payload nonstop on the SFO-HKG segment year-round.

Out of interest, where did this flight divert to...?



Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 20):
Where exactly has it been said that the A380 has disappointing payload/range performance, seeing that no airline revenue flight has occured?

Which was my point exactly, Chrisrad

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13):
Quoting Astuteman (Reply 10):
Out of interest, where did this flight divert to...?

When SQ have to make a technical stop on the SFO-HKG route, the most common place is TPE.

Unfortunately, the irony was lost in translation.
It is obviously not possible for it to be a proven fact that the A380 cannot do this year-round - yet.
It may yet prove to be true, but until the day, I'll keep an open mind.
A


User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1071 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):
Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 20):
Where exactly has it been said that the A380 has disappointing payload/range performance, seeing that no airline revenue flight has occured?
Do a search. It's been discussed ad nausseum.

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