LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2446 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2788 times:
I flew 2 short flights until now:
barcelona-palma de mallorca on IB 734
and TLV-VDA on IZ 752
and I would like to know if you have an idea of the cruising altitude and of the cruising speed for these flights
thanks
sacha
EHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2779 times:
Don't know the figures, but it couldn't be much: I once did CGN-FRA with LH on an A300, and my feeling was it never flew above 6000-7000 feet during the 30 minutes of the flight.
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Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18835 posts, RR: 54 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2777 times:
It's only on FS2004, but I make it as real as possible. On a flight, which lasted 29 minutes (not brakes-off-to-brakes-on time), I climbed to FL160 in about 5 minutes and had a cruise speed of about 338 kts. This was in a DH4.
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BDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
Certainly in terms of U2, about the shortest that would be operated on the A319 would be STN-AMS. Normal cruising altitude of between FL210-240 with a speed of almost N400. The shortest on the -300 fleet would be a GLA-BFS with an altitude and speed of N365/FL160 and on the -700 fleet LPL-BFS with N378/FL220 being the relevant numbers.
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Andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8298 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
Quoting EHHO (Reply 1): I once did CGN-FRA with LH on an A300, and my feeling was it never flew above 6000-7000 feet during the 30 minutes of the flight.
I jumpseated JNB-DUR once on an SP and we went to FL410. Great Circle Mapper puts the distance at 311 miles.
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BDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
Quoting Andz (Reply 6): I jumpseated JNB-DUR once on an SP and we went to FL410
Very possibly, but you'd probably use more gas getting up to such an altitude than if you were to remain low on such a short sector. However, and I'm not familiar with these things in your part of the world, there may be a requirement to reach such a level due to non-existence of lower or more suitable airways in that region.
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Andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8298 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
Very possibly? I was sitting behind the Captain and I can read an altimeter. It is not a high traffic route, there are no real terrain issues. I asked him why and he said "because we can", not very scientific I know.
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Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2530 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 3): Certainly in terms of U2, about the shortest that would be operated on the A319 would be STN-AMS. Normal cruising altitude of between FL210-240 with a speed of almost N400.
I flew quite regularly between SXF and CPH which is also a short hop and the pilots never announced higher altitudes than FL270, although normal was FL240.
As far as I know airliners don't fly higher than 10.000 ft between LPA and TFS...
There are quite a few operators who fly this route until they head for Europe.
Don't get get wrong, I wasn't doubting you, just saying that although it's unusual to climb to such a high altitude on such a short sector, it's not unheard of.
Quoting Andz (Reply 9): I asked him why and he said "because we can", not very scientific I know.
Well in a way it is, because the higher you go the fuel burn at cruising level will decrease. Whereby en-route ATC offer a higher flight level, I'd guess 100% of pilots will accept because less fuel burn will equal a saving for the company. The less he burns, the less less they'll have to uplift during the next turn-around.
Quoting Pelican (Reply 10): I flew quite regularly between SXF and CPH which is also a short hop and the pilots never announced higher altitudes than FL270, although normal was FL240.
In terms of the Flight Planning, the flight will be planned at a specific level and speed along a specific set of airways and waypoints, however, when airborne the crew may be offered a "direct" betwwen two point to go A-C instead of A-B-C; as described above they may be offered a higher level which is generally accepted (circumstances dictating of course); they may suffer a technical fault with the a/c which may "limit" the flight-level en-route, in which case this is relayed to ATC and the necessary procedures implemented.
It really is a case of "what happens on the day" when you're in the air. As I said, at the planning stage in advance of the flight it all has to be correct and organised, but during the operation the situation may have changed for many carriers and as such the situation whilst "in the air" will have changed either to the benefit of detriment of that particular flight.
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David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9216 posts, RR: 42 Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2532 times:
The EDI-GLA leg of a Sabena BRU-EDI-GLA flight I did a while back was flown at 10,000 ft and 250 kts. It's the only time I've ever flown into or out of EDI.
Captaink From Mexico, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 5093 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2499 times:
GND - POS MD83 FL110 not sure of the cruising speed, flight time 20min
Andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8298 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 11): it's unusual to climb to such a high altitude on such a short sector
Don't worry I was surprised too, I saw them dial in 41,000 on the autopilot which is when I asked, the climb was quite a ride! We were only at FL410 for about 5 min then started descending again. I should mention that we started the flight at 5,557ft AMSL (JNB) and ended it at 32ft (DUR).
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LH4U From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 8): Very possibly, but you'd probably use more gas getting up to such an altitude than if you were to remain low on such a short sector. However, and I'm not familiar with these things in your part of the world, there may be a requirement to reach such a level due to non-existence of lower or more suitable airways in that region.
The most fuel-efficient short-haul flight on a modern jet airliner is a ballistic one. This means climb to a flightlevel from where you can make an idle decent into your destination. Of course this is pretty theoretical, because in high-density airspace like in western europe, such a flight is practically impossible. In South-Africa on the other hand......
On CGN-FRA for example you´ll typically level off between FL130 and FL190, depending on dep. RWY in CGN and traffic situation in FRA. Most of the time you only spend one or two minutes there to meet the descent restrictions at FRA. Speed selection on such a short flight depends on several factors such as schedule and number of pax on board (cabin service). It will typically be between 280 and 340 kts.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Not too long ago I flew HAM-CGN on the jumpseat and I was wondering about the high cruising altitude on such a short flight, but the F/O told me that it is no problem for the 73G.
AirlineAV8tr From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 191 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
On a previous airline, we operated the worlds shortest scheduled commercial flight from IAH (Houston, TX), to Elington Field (S. Houston, TX). We typically flew at 250 kias, at 2,500-3,500 ft. Flight time- 6 minutes, 44 seconds!! CO realised that this was not too economical for an ERJ, and dropped the route. The views were great, screaming along at 250 kts, at what seemed like tree-top level. Unfortunately, we were a bit busy trying to complete everything in time!
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