Derekone From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
On Febraury 13, 2006 Avianca has announced that is going to reopen its old flight from Pereira-Barranquilla-New York JFK, this service starts on June 1, 2006. And its going to be served by a Boeing MD-83.
Luisde8cd From Venezuela, joined Aug 2004, 2516 posts, RR: 34 Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2953 times:
Hmm I think someone was messing around wikipedia.... The MD83 definetely cannot fly nonstop from BAQ to JFK. If it did, it would be extremely payload restricted, thus making the flight unprofitable.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 2927 times:
They are not starting the route this summer. They applied for it with the CAA, IIRC, but that does not nessecarily mean they will start it. I doubt they will.
Though on a related topic, rumour has it AA will be flying MIA-PEI by the end of the year. I wonder if AV will protect their turf and follow.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
Quoting 757MDE (Reply 5): I thought the next move AA was going to make here was to re-open BAQ. Never thought of PEI.
No, they will not be re-opening BAQ. AA is tentatively planning on starting MIA-CTG and MIA-PEI in 2006 or 2007. It will be 3x weekly to CTG/4x to PEI on alternating days.
I do believe that AV will indeed start PEI-BAQ-JFK with an MD83 this year. This route, together with LAX and BCN, the airline is committed to.
I heard Fabio Villegas, Avianca's CEO, on a radio interview where he was confirming intentions for these, starting them around mid-year.
I myself wonder whether the MD83 is a suitable aircraft for a flight that is over 4 hours from BAQ to JFK, and as I undertood, AV was doing a feasibility study. BAQ is a hot airport, but it is at sea level.
I do know that UK charter Airtours (now MyTravel) used this aircarft type on UK-Tenerife routes that are similarly long.
Incidently, in the radio interview, Mr Villegas also mentioned that AV are intending to increasing frequencies to Mexico and Buenos Aires to 1 daily (EZE used to be served together with SCL in a triagular flight, but it went to non-stop at a reduced frequency of 4/7). He also said that Quito will be increased to 4 a day.
BCN should be served, probably via ALC, from July.
AV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 646 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2846 times:
Avianca used to fly MD83's on the BAQ-JFK-BAQ routes in 1992 through 1994. even though they were restricted in passenger load to compensate the large amounts and volume of luggage, it has an average duration of flight of approximately 4:20.
Iluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2816 times:
Quoting Derekone (Reply 2): I hope they fix that in wikipidea.
If it needs to be fixed then you can do it yourself - that's how Wikipedia works!
Avianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1): The MD83 definetely cannot fly nonstop from BAQ to JFK
I definetly saw Avianca MD-83's at JFK operating from/to BAQ over 10 years ago, but maybe with a tech-stop in MIA? I think they were nonstop, however. Anyway, is 6 1/2 hrs in an MD-83 from Colombia to JFK bearable? I could deal with it in the 707-727 and 757 eras but in an MD-83? It just seems a bit too claustrophobic for my taste...
FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2782 times:
At DL we work so hard to balance our Mad Dogs to get from JFK to ATL when they are full. I don't wish that AV flight on any load planner. The plane is just not suitable for the flight.
And I can't imagine you can get off the plane in BAQ to walk around; I've flown MDE-BOG-BAQ-JFK without being able to deplane...it is NOT a nice feeling!
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2627 times:
It wouldn't be surprising to see this development take place now that AV is finally receiving a bit of needed-relief with its short and medium-haul fleet.
Further on, it would be even more feasible to see it happen if AV is granted rights to carry passengers on the domestic segments of the operation, namely PEI-BAQ-PEI. There is an absurd lack of flights between Colombia's Caribbean coast and the country's Coffee Region, and the whole southern part of the country for that matter. Sure, market sizes are certainly far from being large enough to support dedicated flights, but as a part of a bigger operation it sounds logical.
Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 11): Anyway, is 6 1/2 hrs in an MD-83 from Colombia to JFK bearable? I could deal with it in the 707-727 and 757 eras but in an MD-83? It just seems a bit too claustrophobic for my taste...
Like you correctly mention it, it's a matter of personal tastes. I for one would be thrilled to get a MD-83 over a 757, knowing that onboard the latter I would have more than double the chances to get crammed in a middle-seat.
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
OFFICIAL
That's right, so much for your skeptical views people...
AV officially launches its Barranquilla-New York City service on June 1st. The flight will be operated 4xweekly nonstop on MD-83 aircraft as rumored. The service will begin in BAQ though, and not in PEI, at least initially, contrary to most expactations.
The flights are already loaded into the company's official schedules:
BAQ will be the fourth station served from JFK with direct flights. Avianca additionally operates a daily 757-200ER on the JFK-MDE-CLO routw, and a daily 767-300ER on the JFK-BOG service. Great news.
Derekone From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 9): Quoting Derekone (Reply 2):I hope they fix that in wikipidea.
If it needs to be fixed then you can do it yourself - that's how Wikipedia works!
I fix some topics before. but then they will changed back to wrong. so its better of whoever is doing that avianca topic to fix it him/her self. but it dosent need to be fix anyway...
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
Interesting to see they are going with this. Good luck on the route, it has potential.
In realted Avianca news, MIA-CTG will go to 3x weekly year-round starting in June, with a new Friday frequency. The flight will also be extended to PEI with same-plane service. The 2nd MIA-BOG frequency will also go from 5x weekly to 2x daily year-round in June. The dailies to BAQ, MDE, and CLO remain intact.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2387 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2447 times:
Great news for PEI (and the coffee region). Now direct flights to both JFK and MIA. As I understand them looking at Amadeus: PEI to JFK 4 x weekly via BAQ. PEI to MIA, 3 x weekly via CTG. Good for the coastal cities too with more frequencies to the US. Hopefully AV will be allowed to sell seats on the domestic legs too.
LAX and BCN are also on the reservation systems!
LAX 3 x weekly 767 non stop. Only drawback with this service is that it will operate overnight on the return flight, arriving at BOG at 0735. Fine for connections to UIO, CCS, PTY and even LIM as well as cities in Colombia, but not covenient for onwards flights to Brasil, Argentina and Chile. Great that it is non-stop though.
BCN appears as being served one weekly non-stop. With this new flights they are using up the third frequency allowed under the bilateral without a stop in the Canaries or ALC. That means that CLO-MAD remains at 2x weekly. For now anyway.
As I mentioned previously, this a long time to spend in an MD-83 (actually 7hrs20min door-to-door!) but I guess it's better than connecting in BOG.
Some suggested connections at BAQ to/from CTG (Cartagena):
CTG-BAQ-JFK, Aires33, 2115-2145 connecting to AV46 @ 2340, on MoSu.
JFK-BAQ-CTG, AV47, connecting to Aires32, 1520-1545 on Sa.
This new flight will also result in having THREE Avianca departures out of JFK within 3 hours: (AV43 to MDE-CLO @ 7:00am, AV21 to BOG @ 9:35am, and AV47 to BAQ-PEI @ 10:00am!)
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2326 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 20): direct flights to both JFK and MIA. As I understand them looking at Amadeus: PEI to JFK 4 x weekly via BAQ.
Great news for PEI then. I based myself on schedules in Avianca.com, which yesterday showed the new BAQ-JFK service stopping in BAQ. But even better to see it clear that it does continue to Pereira. Good job.
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