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How Much Air Traffic Does North Korea Have?  
User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14964 times:

Who all flies to North Korea? I don't think many if any airlines fly from or to North Korea. Possibly some flights from Russia or China maybe? If so, what aircraft do they fly?

Does anyone have any idea what inter North Korean air service could be like? I'd imagine not good at all. I also wonder, if North Korea has had many accidents that none of us have known about.


Thoughts and facts are welcomed!

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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14953 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
I also wonder, if North Korea has had many accidents that none of us have known about.

Korean Air does charter flights to Poyngyang from time to time. And I have heard that there are some Chinese airlines allowed to land as well, but not on a regularly scheduled basis.

This was the only incident item I could find, it does not specifically mention Air Koyro though.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=5061



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14936 times:

A fair number of airlines (including some US ones) transit North Korean airspace particularly on routing from China and South Korea headed up and across the Pacific.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14901 times:

Good question. Air Koryo has got to be one of the most obscure airlines in the world. Does anyone know anyone that's even flown them?!


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14742 times:

They don't exactly have a problem with Nimby's!


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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1363 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14726 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):
Good question. Air Koryo has got to be one of the most obscure airlines in the world. Does anyone know anyone that's even flown them?!

There is a trip report on Flyer Talk from someone who flew them out of PEK, I think he is either British or American if I remember correctly.


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14714 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
A fair number of airlines (including some US ones) transit North Korean airspace particularly on routing from China and South Korea headed up and across the Pacific.

Do they really? My dad recently took the NW A330 flight NRT-PEK and the captain actually went on the intercom to explain the loop they were taking to avoid North Korean airspace. On the other hand, when I flew PTY-EWR woth CO in 2004, we just went strait across Cuba. Still, Cuba isn't North Korea: I doubt US aircraft ever access their airspace.



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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2017 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14622 times:

Air Koryo still put a printed "timetable" in the winter of 2004-2005, although I don't know how closely they actually follow it. They also still have a ticket office in Berlin, which I tried to visit but it was closed on Saturdays.  Sad

I thought one of the Chinese carriers - Air China or China Eastern - still served Pyongyang once or twice a week, but I guess not.

If you look up the Google Maps satellite image for Pyongyang airport (it's north of the city) you can see they have an older runway and a much newer, much longer runway that actually crosses a road!


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14536 times:
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Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
A fair number of airlines (including some US ones) transit North Korean airspace particularly on routing from China and South Korea headed up and across the Pacific.

No US aircraft, passenger or military is allowed into thier airspace, We also even try to avoid Cuba but not always. Thats why JFK KIN on AA and JM have up to an hour difference even though they leave only 20 min apart.



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14523 times:

North Korean aviation is hamstrung by Kim Jong Il and his absolute hatred of flying. He'll take a train to Beijing even though it takes days to get there and months of planning.

That's one reason aviation in the DPRK is so limited, as well as sanctions and the general poverty of that nation. The Government has practically zero interest in it due to the Dear Leader.


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14500 times:

I have flown on Air Koryo three times now, always between Beijing and Pyongyang. I've had two flights on the Tu-154 and one flight on an Il-62.

Although their planes are quite old, they are in immaculate condition - low flying hours I guess.

The flights were smooth and the service quite good; obviously no inflight movies but good large meals and lots of reading materials available.

The only really 'unusual' experience I have had was once on take-off in Beijing when the cabin staff were walking along the aisle as the aircraft was rotating and lifting off!

Air Koryo is different in that unlike most airlines which have calm quiet music as you enter, Air Koryo plays strident orchestral military music, accompanied by the Mass Choir of the Korean People's Army - songs such as 'Peace is on the end of our bayonet' and 'The Dear One (Kim Jong Il) is With Us'.

I understand that only 6 international flights arrive in North Korea each week, all operated by Air Koryo. Two flights per week are from Beijing, one from Shenyang, one from Vladivostok, one from Khabarovsk and one from ... somewhere else, I'm not sure.

Some Chinese airlines used to fly into North Korea, but I understand they have all stopped flying because of low loads. All the flights I have experienced have been on full or almost full planes, even during the cold winter months.


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Flights to/from Beijing are usually Il-62s, although Tu-154s operate in the colder months. For the flights to Shenyang, Tu-134s are used. Tu-154s operate the flights to Kbabarovsk and Vladivostok. Occasionally, large demand for seats leads to a supplementary flight between Pyongyang and Beijing, usually using an Il-18.

Now THAT would be an experience in the year 2006! I wonder if it is last Il-18 passenger service still flying.


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I am booked to fly with Air Koryo again next month. Needless to say, I am really looking forward to it!

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User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14468 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 8):
No US aircraft, passenger or military is allowed into thier airspace, We also even try to avoid Cuba but not always. Thats why JFK KIN on AA and JM have up to an hour difference even though they leave only 20 min apart.

Avoiding Cuba is a matter of choice. US carriers have been flying over Cuba for more than 30 years. I did so on EA back in 1970. It's whether the airline wants to pay the nav/atc charges and for a permit. No political issues. Several US carriers have operated flights to Havana in the recent past as non-sked charters (I think that program ended about 5-7 years ago).



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14280 times:

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 11):
Several US carriers have operated flights to Havana in the recent past as non-sked charters (I think that program ended about 5-7 years ago).

AA and AE still fly charters from MIA to several different Cuban cities. CO and Gulfstream International also offer flights to Cuba from MIA on special charters and I think UA does sometimes too. Still going on now.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14213 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 10):
I am booked to fly with Air Koryo again next month. Needless to say, I am really looking forward to it!

Awesome! Does anyone have pics of the interiors of Air Koryo a/c or of their airport?! I've heard that people are repeatedly told not to take pics by the flight crew. Do they fly anywhere other than PEK or Russia?!

North Korea fascinates me. From what I've read, Pyongyang (and the rest of the country) is stuck in a time warp. The capital is supposed to be like a Cold War era museum to Stalinism and the Kim family!

I'd love to visit but don't think Americans are allowed to travel there. Anyone have any insight on this?



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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14160 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 13):
North Korea fascinates me. From what I've read, Pyongyang (and the rest of the country) is stuck in a time warp. The capital is supposed to be like a Cold War era museum to Stalinism and the Kim family!

I'd love to visit but don't think Americans are allowed to travel there. Anyone have any insight on this?

I think that Americans are only allowed to travel there in the Ariring Mass Games period in August/ September.

This company offers tours for Americans during that period;

http://www.koryogroup.com/tours/index.html

I too would love to go. I never got to see any of the Soviet Union, so North Korea is my last chance to get an idea of what the cold war was like.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14114 times:

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 14):
I too would love to go. I never got to see any of the Soviet Union, so North Korea is my last chance to get an idea of what the cold war was like.

Cool! Thanks for the link. Kinda funny (but not surprising) that they have separate trips for Americans. I'd have to say that while it'd be tempting to take the train in/out, I think I'd take the chance to fly a relic IL-62!

If anyone has flown Air Koryo, please, do tell!



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13955 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 9):
North Korean aviation is hamstrung by Kim Jong Il and his absolute hatred of flying. He'll take a train to Beijing even though it takes days to get there and months of planning.

There are regular trains from Pyongyang to Beijing which take less than 24hrs

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 10):
Although their planes are quite old, they are in immaculate condition - low flying hours I guess.
The flights were smooth and the service quite good; obviously no inflight movies but good large meals and lots of reading materials available.

had the same experience ...

Quoting 777fan (Reply 13):
Awesome! Does anyone have pics of the interiors of Air Koryo a/c or of their airport?! I've heard that people are repeatedly told not to take pics by the flight crew. Do they fly anywhere other than PEK or Russia?!

I have some pictures not done by my self but with me on it. Send me an e-mail with your address and I could send it to you.
No, they only fly regular to China and Russia, that's it.
I didn't have any trouble to take pictures of the airport, aircraft and people around. Still you should'nt be too offensive while taking pictures.

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
I also wonder, if North Korea has had many accidents that none of us have known about.

I only can speak of civil aviation. I don't think JS ever had a fatal crash as their entire fleet is still around at FNJ

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):

Does anyone have any idea what inter North Korean air service could be like?

Domestic air service on a schedule basis doesn't exist. However, domestic flights are operated from time to time using AN4 or IL8 on charter basis. There are several airports in the DPRK but the one used most for tourist is the airport you go while visiting Paekdu Mountain in the north of the country.



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User currently offlineBbjii From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13955 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 8):
We also even try to avoid Cuba but not always. Thats why JFK KIN on AA and JM have up to an hour difference even though they leave only 20 min apart.

We send our jets over Cuba all the time. no issues between the Cuban and Us when it come to overflights - as long as the Cubans are pre-advised no later than 3 hours before....and most airlines would have filed there FPL long before that.

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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13919 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 15):
If anyone has flown Air Koryo, please, do tell!

Yes ... I listed some details on Air Koryo under: http://www.northkorea.ch and when visiting my website you will find a Travel Report which I did during my trip into the DPRK.



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13919 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 13):

Check out this link for a video onboard an Air Koryo IL-62:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=2320


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13822 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 6):
Do they really? My dad recently took the NW A330 flight NRT-PEK and the captain actually went on the intercom to explain the loop they were taking to avoid North Korean airspace. On the other hand, when I flew PTY-EWR woth CO in 2004, we just went strait across Cuba. Still, Cuba isn't North Korea: I doubt US aircraft ever access their airspace



Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 8):
No US aircraft, passenger or military is allowed into thier airspace, We also even try to avoid Cuba but not always. Thats why JFK KIN on AA and JM have up to an hour difference even though they leave only 20 min apart.

Absolutely incorrect.

US airlines can transit North Korea if they desire. All is required as with other countries is to solicit permits ahead of time and subsequently pay the overflight fees.
Transiting North Korea and Russian Far East airspace can save quite a few minutes of flight time versus flying up/down only across Japan.

I have personal arranged for such permits at two large US airlines, and am aware they along with other carriers do transit the Pyongyang FIR if winds favor such routings.

Simply, nothing is taboo about using their airspace, just like Cuba and Iran, North Korea is more then happy to be making revenues in overflight fees.



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13790 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
US airlines can transit North Korea if they desire. All is required as with other countries is to solicit permits ahead of time and subsequently pay the overflight fees.
Transiting North Korea and Russian Far East airspace can save quite a few minutes of flight time versus flying up/down only across Japan.

I have personal arranged for such permits at two large US airlines, and am aware they along with other carriers do transit the Pyongyang FIR if winds favor such routings.

Simply, nothing is taboo about using their airspace, just like Cuba and Iran, North Korea is more then happy to be making revenues in overflight fees.

Absolutely correct. It was only in the late 90s when North Korea allowed US and South Korean (!) carriers to use their airspace for commercial flights. I remember having read somewhere that for flights between Europe and Japan (or vv.) it can happen that an airline could save up to 1 hr of flying time. I don't know if this is realistic or not.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13678 times:

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 21):

Thanks for chiming in. Seems like most people here felt I was hallucinating.

Having spoken to crews whom have transited North Korea, they termed it as "courteous and professional"



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13644 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 10):
I am booked to fly with Air Koryo again next month. Needless to say, I am really looking forward to it

Please share your experience with us. I am sure many in this forum would love to hear about it!  Wink


User currently offlineUal4me From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12778 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 7):
Do they really? My dad recently took the NW A330 flight NRT-PEK and the captain actually went on the intercom to explain the loop they were taking to avoid North Korean airspace. On the other hand, when I flew PTY-EWR woth CO in 2004, we just went strait across Cuba. Still, Cuba isn't North Korea: I doubt US aircraft ever access their airspace.

I've flown this same flight-a NW A330 from NRT to PEK. We routed around North Korean Airspace. You could see North Korea as the sun set, but was completely dark-no lights on the ground. Mind you, we were pretty far from the shore.



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25 Post contains links LH455 : http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/koryo.htm
26 L1329II : No kidding, This is all fascinating.
27 ATCRick : I can not believe anybody would want to fly into a country who starves their people in order to supplement their military which is meager at best. Thi
28 L1329II : Relax. This thread started as a simple aviation related question. So I guess the same question shouldnt even be discussed about post coalition Iraq,
29 Treebeard787 : I believe that Air Koryo flies IL-62Ms TU-154s and IL-18Ds between FNJ and PEK. Please let me know if any of my info is incorrect.
30 Csturdiv : Do they have any domestic routes? I have only seen references to Pyongyang in this thread.
31 Post contains links Dalavia : Yes, when I flew from Beijing to Pyongyang I adjusted my watch forward one hour, but in reality went back 50 years. Pyongyang airport is shown at the
32 ABpositive : How open is North Korea to tourism? Any idea which country citizens would/wouldn't be allowed to enter N. Korea?
33 Dalavia : The only people that are routinely denied entry to North Korea are those with passports from South Korea, Israel and USA. However, last year, they we
34 AA767400 : I have flown MIA-KIN,MIA-MBJ,JFK-KIN, and JFK-MBJ, and every single time I went over Cuba. Infact, every route that goes to Cental America that I hav
35 SW733 : While I have not flown on Koryo, I have in fact been to DPRK. It was an experience to say the least. I bumped into someone there who had flown in, and
36 ATCRick : oh fyi the cold war, russia and iraq have nothing to do with flights in and out of FNG as this post either. So see last sentence from my previous post
37 SW733 : Wow, you can surely be taken seriously calling someone an idiot... Also, something I forgot to mention in my earlier post: To Ca2ohHP " target=_blank
38 Dalavia : The ethics of tourism are never simple. Each year, fewer than 2000 foreigners visit North Korea. This is a deliberate policy by the North Korean gove
39 United787 : I just got back from Vietnam, and although I am sure is doesn't compare to North Korea, there are still some remnants of the Cold War in view, especi
40 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : I flew Pyongyang-Beijing on Air Koryo Il-62M (P-885, JS151) last Aug We had taken the train there (4 times a week, 24 hours, very nice sleeping compar
41 Dalavia : I heard that the flights to Macau were very irregular, and only flew when a high ranking official had some money to launder through the casinos there
42 Centrair : Back when Junichiro Koizumi (Japanese PM) visited Pyongyang he went on the government 744s. A year later a chartered NH 777 was flown to Pyongyang to
43 BeechNut : Actually, all your photos of N. Korea are very fascinating. I have been a frequent visitor to South Korea and the contrast is amazing. You're right,
44 Scalebuilder : Great point. By no means do I endorse or support the politics of the DPRK, but I am with you: it is fascinating to read about people's travel experie
45 Georgiabill : I believe Air Koryo owns the last IL62M produced. Their fleet includes TU154B's,TU-134A's, IL18's and I believe AN-24's. I maybe wrong,but I am trying
46 RwSEA : Hmm, well your own country continuously cuts aid to the poor in favor of an ever-increasing military budget, so I wouldn't exactly single out the DPR
47 Centrair : The photos were amazing. All the people in my office were circling around my desk looking at them. Japanese are fascinated with the DPRK mainly becaus
48 AirAmericaC46 : Anybody knows all the domestic flights in North Korea? routes and type of aircraft used?
49 Post contains links and images Dalavia : As far as I know, the only domestic flights in North Korea are non-scheduled charter flights. The flights are usually on Antonov An-24s, and take gro
50 UpperDeck79 : Heh, I had the same response here at the Tokyo office when I showed my Japanese co-workers my photos from my trip. They were quite interested to know
51 PanAm747 : In my book "The World's Most Dangerous Places", by Robert Young Pelton and Coskun Aral (from 1995), it makes mention of the few foreigners allowed to
52 Post contains images L1329II : I couldnt have said it better. I dont care about the N Korean govt or Kim but I do think it would be fascinating to visit.
53 UpperDeck79 : There are, of course, other foreigners living in Pyongyang, too. Staff of the embassies (for instance Sweden, India etc.), Chinese staff in some of t
54 Post contains links Laxintl : For an interesting book behind the scenes in North Korea, I'd recommend "Comrades and Starngers" by Michael Harrold. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos
55 Post contains images N600RR : Given the lack of direct diplomatic relations between U.S. and North Korea, how would such payments be made by a U.S. carrier and in what currency? T
56 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Haha. Well, me and the friend of mine who I went with have travelled quite a lot together (backpacking in Western Africa, for instance), and we had d
57 Laxintl : North Korea overflight fees can be paid to one of two representatives they have established. One in Europe and one in Asia. In the case of Cuba, over
58 Post contains images N600RR : W W !!! Thanks for sharing! Even though I don't know you, I too am glad you made the effort and were successful. What an epic journey. W W !!!
59 Post contains images N600RR : Appreciate the reply! Party on dude...
60 Wdleiser : Thanks for all the current info. Once I obtain my swiss passport (SOON!) I want to try and make it over to North Korea, just to see what true Soviet E
61 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : I appreaciate the respect. The whole trip took only 3 weeks, though. 10 nights and 10 days were spent in trains. It was funny when, in Mongolia, we m
62 Wdleiser : May I ask roughly how much this all cost you?
63 Swissgabe : I said above: Domestic air service on a schedule basis doesn't exist. However, domestic flights are operated from time to time using AN4 or IL8 on ch
64 UpperDeck79 : The same for us, although the price per day was lower if you stayed longer or had more people in the group. We were only two people but still had to
65 Post contains links Oly720man : Some stories on the BBC site in N Korea with photos http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4353274.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...0
66 ATCRick : Not sure how you figure that increased military spending is directly related to cuts in aid to the poor in the US. But its well documented that North
67 United787 : LOL
68 LH455 : " target=_blank>http://homepage.mac.com/scodrington/....html Dalavia -- your Web site is fascinating! (Sorry -- my post has nothing to do with the top
69 ThaiAggie : I thought they fly to BKK too. May be they used to. I remember seeing their airplane at BKK.
70 Swissgabe : They used to fly from FNJ to SXF, SVO, BKK and MFM as well. BKK flights where from time to time via MFM. Flights stopped around 2003/2004. Some parts
71 ATCRick : I can't very well visit Pyonyang now can I? Nor would I want to. I'll end this now as your last sentence was correct. This is about aviation. And yet
72 Post contains images L1329II : No argument there! Not to mention that the DPRK is a very brutal and harsh regime that dominates its population through fear, brutality and starvatio
73 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : To turn this conversation back to aviation : On my Air Koryo flight I flew a Soviet-built aircraft for the first time and noticed these things on the
74 L1329II : When I watched the video that was posted earlier in this thread it appears that the airplane came in rather "hot an heavy" on landing with little fla
75 Post contains images Beowulf : Interesting that Air Koryo is considered a "fine airline". It was put on a blacklist by France due to safety issues.
76 FXMD11 : YES, me! I flew with them on their IL-62M ex BKK via MFM to FNJ. This was May 2001. We were invited on a mountain / climbing event by the North Korea
77 ATCRick : Beowulf, Please reference where Air Koryo is considered a "fine" airline? I have not seen that anywhere.
78 Beowulf : I was referring to the reports about Air Koryo of those who flew with it, and nobody mentioned that they are blacklisted by France. My guess is that
79 Post contains images N600RR : What do you mean by "blacklisted" here? Do you have a reference or source for this assertion? I, at least, would be interested in learning more about
80 UpperDeck79 : I only talked about what I experienced. How would I be able to tell if they have safety issues or not if I don't see / have proof of any? I'm not say
81 ATCRick : I am glad to hear their a/c are in such fabulous condition. That does not make them a "fine" airline. I would like to fly them myself just to see.
82 Post contains images Beowulf : I don't understand why you jump all over me. Of course, an impression one reports is always subjective. I agree with this! However, one cannot deny th
83 777fan : Let's keep in mind that "fine", in context, can imply that it's "okay". Given the state of some US carriers, Air Koryo might be worth a shot! 777fan
84 Post contains images N600RR : Riiight...And I'm sure it was just a *coincidence* ...
85 JayDavis : This has to be one of the coolest threads EVER on A.net!! I haven't even had the time to read it all. I will go back tomorrow and read more of it. I'm
86 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Hahah. I can swear I have nothing to do with the French government.
87 Post contains images N600RR : Beowulf, didn't mean to...I apologize. Not sure if it's a language or cultural barrier (or just me), but when I see a word or phrase in quotation mar
88 777fan : Given the opportunity, I'd love to fly a Russian relic, particularly on an airline that rare to a country that strange! I know it was mentioned earli
89 Post contains images Beowulf : I was being ironic. But that's my second nature. However, I agree with what others have said here that it must be an interesting experience to be in
90 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : One can not be ironic on purpose, only sarcastic.
91 Post contains images Beowulf : My dictionary defines ironic as "using words that are the opposite of what you really mean, often in a joking way." Fair enough, it points to sarcast
92 Carpethead : I would think Japanese may be denied entry to N. Korea because of the icy relationship at government levels. No Japanese airline transits thru N. Kore
93 Dispatchguy : Amazing photo albums. I have GoogleEarth, and the interesting thing is see the complete lack of traffic along any of the streets in Pyongyang. While I
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