Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3512 times:
Guess instead of having a multitude of threads about fleet news it makes probably sense to integrate things. Will start, let's see if it works:
- New airline in Bahrain (no name known) will lease three Tupolev 214 in 2006 and 10 RRJ95 from 2009. Lessor will be „ALSuweikat Trading & Contracting“ (Saudi Arabia) which in turn will lease the planes from FLK (Russia).
- Indian Airlines has finally signed the long overdue A32X contract for 43 frames.
- Kingfisher has ordered another 15 + 20 ATR 72-500, increasing their commitment to 45 + 20 AFAIK.
- Biman Bangladesh has issued a tender for two "Airbus planes", likely yo be A310-300s to cover out-of-service DC10-30s.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Reply 1): Kingfisher negotiating Airbus A340's for India - US flights
They are considering the 772LR as well. Fair use excerpt;
By Kyunghee Park
Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Kingfisher Airlines Ltd., a low-fare carrier run by a billionaire who controls half of India's beer market, may set up a U.S. unit and buy as much as $1.2 billion of long-haul planes to start flights between the two countries.
Kingfisher, which included five A380s made by Airbus SAS in its $3 billion order for 15 planes in June, is considering Boeing Co.'s 777-200LR model and the Airbus's A340-500 version, Kingfisher Chairman Vijay Mallya said in Singapore today. The value of the latest order is based on the maximum list price of Boeing's model.
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The article also states that because they can't fly outside India for 5 years that they will lobby the government to change the regulations or set up a U.S. based entity to operate the flights.
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4): They are considering the 772LR as well. Fair use excerpt;
Kingfisher in talks for Airbus A340: Mallya
Singapore, Feb 20: India's privately owned Kingfisher Airlines is in negotiations with European aircraft manufacturer Airbus for the possible purchase of long-range A340 jets, the president of the airline's parent firm said today.
"We are in discussions with Airbus" over the wide-body aircraft for use on India-US routes, the chairman of UB Group, Vijay Mallya, told media persons.
"We haven't agreed on the price yet," Mallya said ahead of tomorrow's opening of Asian Aerospace, the world's third- largest airshow.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3154 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Reply 5): Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
They are considering the 772LR as well. Fair use excerpt;
Kingfisher in talks for Airbus A340: Mallya
Excellent link thank you Keesje please note the report I can't link to due to breach of copyright does only state they are considering the 772LR.
The report you link is a lot closer to what I'd expect as Kingfisher have gone 100% Airbus and the A345 would be a natural for their fleet.
I am left asking the following though..
1: How will they overcome the fact that they can't fly overseas for 5 years?
2: If they start a U.S. based entity to operate the services, how will they circumvent Foriegn Ownership restrictions on such a carrier?
3: Even on the remote chance that they did order the 772LR what impact would gaining ETOPs certification have upon their plans to operate U.S. services.
It would be great to them order either model but I feel that they have much to do before they will be in a position to utilise the aircraft ordered in the role they intend them to operate in.
Treg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 534 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
And some from Estonia:
Estonian Air (OV) will lease two 737-300-s (of unknown origin, produced in 1998) and returns to the lessor one of their 737-500s (most likely ES-ABG, MSN : 25790). They also hinted about possible RJ (70-100 seater) aquisition in 2007.
OV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 860 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2848 times:
Quoting Treg (Reply 7): They also hinted about possible RJ (70-100 seater) aquisition in 2007.
I remember a few months ago there was some speculation that they might acquire Q400's or even good 'ole F50's. Nice to hear that they are looking for jets instead.
Quoting Treg (Reply 7): returns to the lessor one of their 737-500s (most likely ES-ABG, MSN : 25790)
Sad, as Golf's my favourite in the current fleet (or at least was before they stuck 120 seats in it), but then again, as it is the oldest, it would be a logical choice.
The 733's are said to be coming with 142 seats. It's going to get cramped in there. Even FlyMe only runs them with 136.
Treg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 534 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
Quoting OV735 (Reply 8): I remember a few months ago there was some speculation that they might acquire Q400's or even good 'ole F50's. Nice to hear that they are looking for jets instead.
Well.... They did not mention RJ explicitly. But I do not know any turboprop's in the 70-100 seat range, therefore my assumption was that it's going to be a RJ.
OV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 860 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2742 times:
Quoting Treg (Reply 9): But I do not know any turboprop's in the 70-100 seat range
Well I would put the Q400 into that category. In SAS' version it has 72 seats and Widerøe has stuffed it with 76 I believe. This is also a type that is present in the current SAS Group fleet, so commonality would be an extra bonus. But then again the gents at the SAS headquarters never have seemed to care much about fleet commonality, so it might indeed be that the CRJ or Embraer would be brought into the family.
Or, OV could go with Blue1 and get some Avros. 4 engines 4 short haul.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
Just to keep it up:
- Frontier plus new 6 A320, -4 A319, +4 A318, +2 A320
- Adam Air: 30 A320 (leased/purchased; a bit strange as I remember an interview with their CEO about 2 weeks ago where he stated that they had signed for the B737-800)
- Royal Jordain: new order expected this year, likely for additional A32X, maybe A330-200s as they intend to incerase their fleet to 29 frames by 2009
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
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Excel Airways will Lease the following;
2 x 737-900ER from GECAS delivery in May 2008
2 x 737-800 also from GECAS delivery in 2008
4 x 737-800, 2 each from ILFC & RBS Capital Aviation Services with
delivery in Q1 & Q2 2007
Jagson Airlines will order 14 A321 & Lease another 6
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5): 2: If they start a U.S. based entity to operate the services, how will they circumvent Foriegn Ownership restrictions on such a carrier?
VM's children hold US passports, the company will be in their names. VM is nothing if not clever.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6714 posts, RR: 66 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5): the A345 would be a natural for their fleet.
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5): If they start a U.S. based entity to operate the services, how will they circumvent Foriegn Ownership restrictions on such a carrier?
Good question. But, if they somehow managed it and did order A345s I suppose they'd be the first A340s on the US register?
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2551 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 15): Good question. But, if they somehow managed it and did order A345s I suppose they'd be the first A340s on the US register?
I believe Cricket answered my question quite well. Very clever ploy! Yes, if they order the A345 they would be the first on the register to be used by a commercial operator. I believe that another Corporation had U.S. registered A340s, Boeing Capital was the name of that Company and they got them from SQ. Not sure how long each remained on the register though, assuming they were in the first place.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6714 posts, RR: 66 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 16): Boeing Capital was the name of that Company and they got them from SQ. Not sure how long each remained on the register though, assuming they were in the first place.
Certainly some (most? all?) of the ex-SQ A340s acquired by Boeing were put on the German register while they looked for a home. For example, all eight of the planes that Boeing leased to EK previously carried D-xxxx registrations.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6714 posts, RR: 66 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 17): Certainly some (most? all?) of the ex-SQ A340s acquired by Boeing were put on the German register while they looked for a home.
Rooting around a bit more, I find that they did go to the German register but that three (9V-SJD, -SJE, -SJF) spent between two and six weeks in late 2001 or early 2002 on the US register before gaining D-xxxx registrations. So, technically, the A340 has (briefly!) been on the US register. Mr. Kingfisher's children's airline, however, would be the first Nxxxxx A340s in service. I think I'd quite like to see that!
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2361 times:
Aerosvit:
Aerosvit, the largest airline of Ukraine, has announced a tender for purchasing aircraft, deputy general director Yevgeny Treskunov told a Friday press conference.
The company’s strategic development plan approved last December stipulates the leasing and purchase of 14 medium-range and six long-range aircraft.
Aerosvit will start modernizing its hardware in 2008. U.S. Boeing and European Airbus will be invited to the tender. [snip] It is planned to enlarge the company hardware to 42 pieces, including ten Ukrainian-made An-148, by the year 2011.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1880 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2330 times:
Quoting Treg (Reply 9): I remember a few months ago there was some speculation that they might acquire Q400's or even good 'ole F50's. Nice to hear that they are looking for jets instead.
I've heared that Estonian is in the market for some former KLM Fokker 50's who are going to be fased out later this year.
OV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 860 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 21): I've heared that Estonian is in the market for some former KLM Fokker 50's who are going to be fased out later this year.
Nice to hear the F50 could be back. How old exactly are the examples in question?
Treg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 534 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2098 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 21): I've heared that Estonian is in the market for some former KLM Fokker 50's who are going to be fased out later this year.
Not again! They only got rid of these birds some 5 years ago in order to reintroduce them?!?
I have nothing against F50-s. Have had tens and tens of nice flights with Skyways F50-s (Swedish Skyways), but OV has used them for CPH and HAM routes and two hours in a Fokker is not my dream of flying
25 Amirs: Israir will lease a 767-300 ER for NYC flights.
26 PanAm_DC10: Mandarin Airlines are looking at acquiring 8 of one of the following, A319, N73NG or Embraer 190. That makes them and Uni-Air (EVA) looking to acquire
27 Flying-Tiger: Finnair has purchased one A340-300 from Virgin Atlantic.
28 AMSSFO: When will it be delivered? No more mighty MD11s
29 Andaman: It will come to HEL in June and start flying in July, next (a new one) A340 coming 2007. The Md-11s (7) will be there for years still though. AY need
30 Flying-Tiger: Spring Airlines (China) wants to lease another 3 A320s.
31 D950: I see where Blue1 has added an MD90 from Nordic Leisure, and will be receiving more in May (Hello or SAS direct??) and also the new IcelandExpress MD9
32 Roadrunner165: While I was at the airport today I saw two Bombardier Q400 (DH4) apparently heading to Horizon, they were sitting at the Alaska Airlines terminal over
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