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A350 Fuselage - Made In Dubai!  
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

After the leasing company announcement earlier, comes this - A 30,000 jobs Aircraft Manufacturing plant at the new Jebel Ali International Airport in Dubai. Investment should top 15 billion US Dollars.

Headed by no other than the Emirates Airline Group Chairman, Sheikh Ahmad. This will be the largest Aviation Business in the world.

The initiative, to be based in the 140-square-kilometre Jebel Ali Airport City (JAAC), will create the world's largest aviation hub and prepare Dubai to participate in major aircraft manufacturing programmes in future, most likely the Airbus A350 programme.

It will focus on component and engine manufacturing and assembly, airport development and operations, aircraft leasing and finance, aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO), space services, aircraft brokerage, education and training, aviation media and events, and aviation IT systems, among others.


Possible manufacturiing of the A350 fuselage at the new facility is mentioned as well...

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10020141.html


Kafa, čaj, šraf?
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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
Possible manufacturiing of the A350 fuselage at the new facility is mentioned as well...

In that case I don't see EK ordering something else than the A350......



There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10555 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 1):
In that case I don't see EK ordering something else than the A350......

I am thinking the same but I guess will have to see. This project seems to be off in the distance. Its appears to be linked to the leasing company thread currently active. It seems this investment will prepare dubai for assembly in the future so it looks like for the time being its just going to concentrate on overhauls, componant manufacturing etc.

[Edited 2006-02-20 12:12:39]

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10423 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 1):
In that case I don't see EK ordering something else than the A350......

That is unless Boeing decides to come onboard as well... eveything is possible in Dubai Big grin



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9976 times:

The middle east has had lots of aspirations to diversify outside of the petrochemical industry. It is my understanding that guest workers are used for construction and much of its operations in the refineries.

I am unaware of any significant manufacturing in the area, does Dubai have a trained workforce in aerospace and/or metalworking industries? It would be wonderful to see industries spring up there but I think there is more fertile ground in asia and russia.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9907 times:

Lot of news coming out of U.A.E. these days, 350 fuselage, next to , controlling security at 6 major ports in the US. All this with less than $80B GDP.

[Edited 2006-02-20 17:32:15]

User currently offlineUKA330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9868 times:
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From the Airbus Website.

www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pressr...ms/06_02_14_airbus_middleeast.html

Quote:
Airbus has created a subsidiary called "Airbus Middle East". Headquartered at the Dubai Airport Free Zone, it will be in charge of all commercial activities, including marketing, sales, contracts and customer relations, as well as all customer service activities, such as spare parts, training, and technical support.



It does not look like Airbus is going to move any A350 production to Dubai anytime soon.

Ross

[Edited 2006-02-20 17:31:55]

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9750 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):
controlling security at 6 major ports in the US.

The group is actually going to be running the ports themselves, not just security. It's just the over-active US media that's making a huge story out of this.


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Would that have something to do with the huge emirates a380 order? nooo  wink 


rolf
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9215 times:

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 4):
I am unaware of any significant manufacturing in the area, does Dubai have a trained workforce in aerospace and/or metalworking industries?

Maybe not now...but with it's excellent infrstructure and money, they can definitely attract the required talent to the region...


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9135 times:

Quoting Star_world (Reply 7):
The group is actually going to be running the ports themselves, not just security. It's just the over-active US media that's making a huge story out of this.

and a few rotten politicians.....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

Errm, have you guys stopped to think about what you're saying? Airbus will manufacture the fuselage of their latest model, not in France, not in Germany, not any member state, but Dubai!!!!??? A place with no expertise or track record in aerospace, no significant manufacturing base whatsoever? Reality check, Dubai doesn't have the manufacturing capabilities to make the stringers let alone the whole fuselage.

This at best will be an MRO facility, probably similar to the Salam aircraft company in Riyadh, which is a joint venture between Boeing and SAIC.

[Edited 2006-02-20 18:49:39]

User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 4):
I am unaware of any significant manufacturing in the area, does Dubai have a trained workforce in aerospace and/or metalworking industries? It would be wonderful to see industries spring up there but I think there is more fertile ground in asia and russia.

You may not be aware that non-nationals make up 88% of dubai's workforce  Smile
They'll just import the workforce.



rolf
User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4865 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 9):
Maybe not now...but with it's excellent infrstructure and money, they can definitely attract the required talent to the region...



Quoting Rolfen (Reply 12):
They'll just import the workforce.

I'm sent these guys my CV, we'll see what comes of it. I would like to move back to the Gulf for a bit. If I end up doing it I think I will get round to getting my PPL too.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8919 times:

I was reading that the increase in oil prices has helped this area expand by quite a bit lately. So they are attempting to diversify to not depend so much on oil and the current price of oil is helping them do that! Thats good luck.

User currently offlineYazeed From Jordan, joined Oct 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 12):
You may not be aware that non-nationals make up 88% of dubai's workforce
They'll just import the workforce.

Well said. They will import work force. I will not be surprised if one day we will hear that the whole A350 is manufactured in Dubai. At the same time, I will be waiting to see if they are really gonna start that fueslage production!!!


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 4):
does Dubai have a trained workforce in aerospace and/or metalworking industries?

If the they will be building composite parts then there is no need for metalworking industry, IMHO. On the other hand, oil is needed for the synthesis of composite materials...

[Edited 2006-02-20 19:17:59]


rolf
User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3109 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8299 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 12):
You may not be aware that non-nationals make up 88% of dubai's workforce
They'll just import the workforce.

I'm just curious... recent talk about Germany's expensive workforce (not just with aerospace)... similar situation in France, UK, US, Canada, etc. And, on the flip side, potentially cheaper (but trained) aerospace workforces in places like China, Russia, and Brazil... Wouldn't a guest-worker skilled labor force in Dubai be incredibly expensive? It might work for home-grown industries where they don't have a choice, or the petroleum industry where profits can sustain the inflation, but do they have an advantage in aerospace?

I'm not an economist nor a politico, I'm just asking based on my limited common sense on these matters.

-Rampart


User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 14):
I was reading that the increase in oil prices has helped this area expand by quite a bit lately. So they are attempting to diversify to not depend so much on oil and the current price of oil is helping them do that! Thats good luck.

Well, when you control the oil you can control the price - which then gives you those profits to diversity.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 3):
eveything is possible in Dubai

Including, as mentioned, controlling US seaports. Not a good idea, in my opinion.



Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss
User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6932 times:

Interesting. Another 30,000 jobs taken away from the EU? Should be interesting to see the public reaction to this latest Global Economy Sacrafice.  Smile


To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy.” Sun Tzu
User currently offlineElvisisalive From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 17):



Quoting Rampart (Reply 17):
I'm just curious... recent talk about Germany's expensive workforce (not just with aerospace)... similar situation in France, UK, US, Canada, etc. And, on the flip side, potentially cheaper (but trained) aerospace workforces in places like China, Russia, and Brazil... Wouldn't a guest-worker skilled labor force in Dubai be incredibly expensive?

The UAE has a very restrictive guest worker program , a worker would get a visa to work for 1 company. If you leave the company for any reason you leave the UAE, in addtion the worker force is usually from very low income
countries which adds up to low wages . While skilled positions do approach
( such as pilots ) average to above average wages can be had, but if your from India even low wages is a big jump up from what you can get from Indian companies.

TASC in dubai is already 100% airbus subsidary and been in operation since 2002, It looks like a name change and some added responsibilities to me.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11):
A place with no expertise or track record in aerospace, no significant manufacturing base whatsoever?

A fuselage is the best place to start. Of all the structural components of an aircraft, the fuselage is the least complicated. The A350 will be another aluminum (lithium) sausage and the necessary experience can easily be aquired.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 3):
That is unless Boeing decides to come onboard as well... eveything is possible in Dubai

Boeing has nailed down all of their suppliers already. The 787-8 design has been firmed and the metal for the first aircraft is already being cut.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 1):
In that case I don't see EK ordering something else than the A350......

IMO, this is a huge move by Airbus. Choosing assembly sites involves a vast degree of politics. Even choosing the B787 final assembly site within the United States involved a huge amount of wrangling by Seattle, WA; Ft. Worth, TX; Long Beach, CA, etc.

Moving fuselage production to Dubai is, IMO, the last trick that could win the EK order.

I can't imagine what else Airbus has in their sleeves to win this order. Is that indication of how badly Airbus needs EK? Perhaps...


User currently offlineZamaria From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Does Dubai's climate present any ramifications to producing all or part of the composite-intensive A350?

-Z


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Quoting Zamaria (Reply 22):
Does Dubai's climate present any ramifications to producing all or part of the composite-intensive A350?

It it does, factory enviroments can easily be controled.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Dry heat sounds perfect for such manufacturing.

N


25 DfwRevolution : The fuselage, is an aluminum-lithium alloy, not a composite material.
26 Atmx2000 : And I doubt they are going to make the wings in Dubai.
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : given all the yip-yap about the United States port security at this point in time, maybe EK should cancel their massive Boeing order, go with Airbus a
28 ER757 : I don't know - exporting all those jobs seems an awfully high price to pay to win a single aircraft order, even one of 50 or 60 units. I'd think that
29 EnviroTO : They aren't outsourcing US customs to a UAE company. They aren't even going to be using UAE citizens in the ports. It will be the same US staff doing
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