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User currently offlineCYEGsTankers From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 245 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

When is this airline going to expand to Europian and Asian markets?

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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Nice self-plugs on the photos, I'm guessing.  Wink

Well, I don't think WS has expressed any interest in intercontinental routes, and I really cannot see them doing it. Maybe in several years if, in order to continue gaining market share, they think they can offer some viable international services. But right now it would seem far too big a risk. Can you really think of any routes that would work?

JL



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User currently offlineCongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

I dont see this happening at all, at least not for the foreseeable future. It goes against their model, which is very similar to WN. To be honest, it surprises me to see them flying to HNL and OGG.

Normally, airlines go to Europe with a developed feeder system through a hub, not at all using the "point-to-point" approach.

Is there any version 737 (besides the BBJ) that makes it from Canada to Europe?



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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting Congaboy (Reply 2):
Is there any version 737 (besides the BBJ) that makes it from Canada to Europe?

No airline in their right mind would have an all economy 737 headed over to europe. Privatair (sp?) has the right idea- all first class accomodations.



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting Congaboy (Reply 2):

Is there any version 737 (besides the BBJ) that makes it from Canada to Europe?

Yep, they could use the new 737-700ER from Boeing  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Westjet cannot expand into the global market without investing in bigger aircraft and being built around Southwest model, it's a no-brainer figuring they'll stay put....


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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting CYEGsTankers (Thread starter):
When is this airline going to expand to Europian and Asian markets?

The word "Never" comes to mind! An airline such as WS is successful because it tries very hard to keep focused on the business model that has made them what they are today. The day they try to be something they are not,is the day things will start to unravel. WS recently announced a delay on the new software platform they were to move to later this year. It was intended to allow enhancements to their products and services and prepare the airline to code share with other airlines in the capacity of a feeder carrier. I don't know the reason for the delay,buy suffice to say that I expect them to allow Oneworld to use their flights as code shares. The delay with the software might be attributed to working the bugs out of any interline electronic ticketing requirements. It's going to be a story well worth following! WS has no choice but to look at other sources of revenue for growth as they have pretty much exploited their current opportunities in Canada. If they attempt a takeover of Canjet,that would still not improve their future growth,with AC likely to be a strong long term competitor,they must be scratching their heads wondering where the necessary growth is going to come from to make their business model profitable,which is only sustainable if they continue to grow. Their future is fraught with risk as they evolve away from the Southwest model. The costs of interlining may turn out to be rather painful for them in the long run if they are not careful.

[Edited 2006-02-20 23:15:42]

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

in 2008/09 when the 787's arrive. Thats wasn't a joke, Im no fan of westjet, I think everyone knows that, so I wouldnt post "wishful thinking" comments about a company that I dont have much time for. Anyway like I said 08/09 when the 87's arrive, and it will be transpacific, not much left for them in terms of Euro maket share, to many charters.


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User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
Yep, they could use the new 737-700ER from Boeing

Are you sure that model is not from Airbus?  wink 

On the topic of WS, they have a lot of potential as a rising major low-cost carrier, but I just could not see them targetting Europe. I mean you have AC, Zoom, BA, AF and many others, that's from YYZ at least.

Just my $0.02 (CDN)

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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quote:
When is this airline going to expand to Europian and Asian markets?

Next to never..

More chances of them expanding to the great white north before ever hopping over the oceans. FIrst they gotta tweak some of their existing routes especially that of the US to see which ones are true keepers and which ones to scrap. There is also a few untapped markets and connections which have potentials, maybe a return into Sudbury or Churchill someday for seasonal service or something such as a YLW-YUL.
Their 10th anniversary is coming up in another week or so.(Leap year Birthday) Their gala is this saturday and there might be some announcements.



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User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting Slawko (Reply 7):
in 2008/09 when the 787's arrive.

Exactly how many do they have on order from Boeing? LOL. There is always the chance of WS expanding overseas, but there has been no sign of an intention to do so in the foreseeable future, If they want 787's in 2008/2009 they better get the order in this year.
 Big grin


User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

I've also heard that they are looking into the 787. But, looking and buying may not be the same thing.

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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

No time soon. the closest they wil get to Europe is London, Ontario and as far as Asia goes I think Hongcouver is as far as they will go.

YOWza



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting Congaboy (Reply 2):
Is there any version 737 (besides the BBJ) that makes it from Canada to Europe?

From A.net's Aircraft status

Typical cruising speed Mach 0.785. Max certificated altitude 41,000ft.
737-600 - Range with 110 pax 2480km (1340nm) or 5648km (3050nm) for HGW version.
737-700 - Range with 126 pax 2852km (1540nm) or 6037km (3260nm) for HGW version.

Typical cruising speed Mach 0.785. Max certificated altitude 41,000ft.
737-800 - Standard range with 162 passengers 3585km (1990nm) or 5445km (2940nm) for high gross weight version.
737-900 - Standard range with 177 passengers 3815km (2060nm), high gross weight version 5083km (2458nm).


using the 3,260nm (737-700) and 2,940nm (737-800) from YQX you can reach all Canadian and most major european centres, So maybe we will see a YYC-YQX-STN service one day who knows although I'd seriously consider another airline if I was going to fly Canada-Europe.

Asia would be even more unlikely with a standard 737 model this would require a tech stop in ANC then somewhere in Hokkaido but then theres the ordeal of stopping at a US airport.

sources: Europe
Asia



Jason



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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

They dont have to order anything, they just have to lease it from ILFC or GECAS...or whoever...

No public indications, doesnt mean that there hasn't been any indication....



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

I really can't se WS flying there B737s across the pond, even if they get ETOPS cert. the way they did for HNL. WS will stay in North America, for it to become an international carrier it would have to undergo a major changes.

I have herd of WS trying to partner up with Zoom on its trans-atlantic flights. Perhaps code share or wet lease on of Zooms 767s.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting Slawko (Reply 14):
They dont have to order anything, they just have to lease it from ILFC or GECAS...or whoever...

No public indications, doesnt mean that there hasn't been any indication....

Well they could do that. They will likely need a YYZ base if they are going to Europe. Added costs. They will have 2 aircraft types instead of one, so added training. Added costs. They will likely have to pay more for the crews flying the 787. Added costs. I'd love for them to give it a try, anything that adds to their costs is okay with me.  Big grin With charters, AC, BA, AF, LH and all the others there is no real room to make huge profits on the North Atlantic by offering an all economy product. But if they want to try it.  bigthumbsup 
I just don't see it happening.


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

I didnt say it was cheap...and nor did I say I mind that it will add to their cost  Wink

But the fact remains things are pointing in that direction....but like I said, from what I hear it will be YYZ based to Asia not Europe....



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting Slawko (Reply 17):
But the fact remains things are pointing in that direction....but like I said, from what I hear it will be YYZ based to Asia not Europe....

Asia from YYZ!!! You've got to be kidding? Clive needs to have his head exaimened.


User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Quoting Slawko (Reply 17):
But the fact remains things are pointing in that direction....but like I said, from what I hear it will be YYZ based to Asia not Europe....

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User currently offlineYeggerman From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

They won't fly people to Europe or Asia, but I would not be suprised to see code-share and interlines announced sooner (than a 787 order)  Smile You could see Cathy Pacific from the West, and Possible BA or someone like that from the East, and even go as far as to say someone from the South for a US partner, and then Air North, or Canadian North as the northern partner. You'd be set ...


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User currently offlineRyGuy From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

I personally dont think that it is ever going to happen. I believe that WestJet has built itself in the North American system and I think it will stay that way.
I also think that it is not economical for westjet to fly so far overseas with a Boeing 737 because of the speed and fuel prices. I think that they will lose more money then they will bring in and anyways... why would anybody want to stop a three or four times and pay very large airport fees and taxes when you can fly zoom and get there for 300 in a first class ticket?
I know i would fly zoom then go to Ryanair once i was in Europe!

Thanks

RyGuy



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting Yeggerman (Reply 20):
You could see Cathy Pacific from the West, and Possible BA

I believe this is the most realistic of scenarios. We've had talk in the past of the One World Alliance seeking out WJ. If WJ was to become a partner, or junior partner, these code shares would fit in quite well.


User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 831 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

my friend who works for BR's booking Dept saids that BR and WS is in constant talk about code-sharing.


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User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 646 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Westjet may offer seats to Europe and Asia much sooner then we think. I believe that by next year when their new reservation system is up and running, they will begin codesharing with other carriers. We are already seeing Westjet looking at regional feeders here in Canada (so forget about buying new regional aircraft). We may see them join a major world alliance in the next few years.

The fact of the matter is there is little room left to expand in Canada using 737 aircraft. They will have to expand elsewhere eventually, and we are seeing them taking these steps. If they do not wish to add new aircraft types, alliances and codesharing will be the only way to go.

Slawko maybe correct in that if they do decide to expand internationally themselves, they will order the 787, however so far evidence suggests they will be expanding internationally (and regionally) through codesharing beginning at the end of this year or early next year.


25 DFORCE1 : Which regional airlines are associated with WestJet?
26 AC7E7 : None at the moment, but I had read somewhere (I will try to find it) that Westjet is looking for potential regional feeders in Canada.
27 Post contains images HanginOut : WestJet has been very interested in international operations lately. Whether it is code shares or operations to other countries I cannot say, but let'
28 HKGKaiTak : IMHO WS expanding to Europe or Asia (or, better still, Australasia) probably isn't as pie in the sky as we'd think, if you look at it from the point o
29 Tennisace : I remember in the WJ conference call a couple weeks ago to discuss their year end, Clive basically stated that they WILL be codesharing soon (next fal
30 Sebring : Given the order backlog for the 787, that hardly seems possible. And ILFC's deliveries begin in 2010. GECAS has yet to order the plane.
31 Bwaflyer : AEU operate a weekly flight from LGW (London Gatwick) to YDF (Deer Lake) for the Humber Valley Resort. Flights are operated by a bog standard 737-700
32 Gkirk : I thought that the flight had been taken over by a Monarch 757 now?
33 DFORCE1 : Could someone please elborate on this? Forgive my lack of knowledge on the Aussie airlines, but what is being proposed for JQ?
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