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AA Officials: We Don't Expect Profit At DAL  
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

Interesting comments from AA officials while showing off their new gates at Love Field:

"Southwest has more than 90 percent of the flights at Love Field, where the carrier has operated for more than 30 years. American plans to steal some of those customers, according to David Cush, an American vice president and general sales manager.

With the recent relaxing of Wright to include Missouri, American is now on the defensive to stem any losses of its customer-base in the North Dallas area. American has a huge customer base in the area, said Cush.

But chances are American -- which has seen a near steady run of losses since Sept. 11, 2001 -- won't make money doing it, he indicated.

"It's tough to forecast a profit anywhere in the airline business," said Cush. "My guess is it will be tough to make a profit here. ...It will be tough sledding."

Tim Smith, a spokesman for American, added however that "It would cost us lots more in lost business to not compete."

Even Southwest chimed in with an opinion...

"According to Beth Harbin, a spokesperson for Southwest Airlines, "American's interest in Love Field is to make a point, not a profit."

Even so, she said in an e-mail response to American's comments, American will no doubt benefit from the well-known "Southwest effect" that has found passenger volumes increase at airports where Southwest and other airlines compete.

However, she added, Southwest believes American's strength and best product offering locally has always been from its hub at D/FW "and not stringing itself out at Love Field."

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/060220/1231031.html?.v=1

So let me see if I understand this... It's better to enter a market and lose money, just to keep a few customers, rather than deploy resources elsewhere, where they could be used to make money and improve the return on investment for the company and shareholders. That makes sense! Does anyone thing WN would employ that strategy?

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User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

AA entering DAL is incredibly stupid.

If I were a shareholder, I would be pissed.



Set Love Free
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7012 times:

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 1):
AA entering DAL is incredibly stupid.

If I were a shareholder, I would be pissed.



Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
AA Officials: We Don't Expect Profit At DAL

Then what do you expect? A Cookie?

Signed,
AMR Corp. Shareholders.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2071 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Looks like he said it would be tough to make a profit not that they won't.

Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
"It's tough to forecast a profit anywhere in the airline business," said Cush. "My guess is it will be tough to make a profit here. ...It will be tough sledding."


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
It's better to enter a market and lose money, just to keep a few customers, rather than deploy resources elsewhere, where they could be used to make money and improve the return on investment for the company and shareholders. That makes sense! Does anyone thing WN would employ that strategy?

Yes, Southwest and many other smart businesses employ this strategy. It is similar to offering a loss-leader to retain customers. Car companies do it, retail stores do it, and airlines do it. A very common business practice.



a.
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5064 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

I'm an AMR shareholder, and I applaud management for taking on Southwest at DAL.

If WN is going to continue to push for repeal of the Wright Amendment, when a far more modern airport is available at DFW, then it might as well get used to seeing silver airplanes at DAL.


User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):

Then what do you expect? A Cookie?

Maybe Herb will provide warm milk and graham crackers?



Set Love Free
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6787 times:
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We enjoy doing useless battles to make a point to WN and FL, but we don't seem to care that we loose money.

Signed,
Northwest, Delta, and American.


User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7):
We enjoy doing useless battles to make a point to WN and FL, but we don't seem to care that we loose money.

Signed,
Northwest, Delta, and American.

Yes, and if I were an employee I would be thrilled with the fact that my pay cuts are helping to fund emtpy planes (have you looked at the load factors on AA.com? UGH ) flying out of Love Field so AA can stick it to Southwest.


User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
It will be tough sledding

Cough, Cough, Bovine Manure

AA will be operating head to head with WN with about 4 MD-80's with near equal operational costs if you figure a well used probably paid for MD-80 against a newer not yet paid for 37.
WN has one of the highest paid employee groups in the industry which is probably equal to or close to AA.
Operating cost at the airports should be equal for both AA and WN.
The only real edge WN has on costs is fuel hedges which could be partially offset by airframe costs.

AA might actually end up like using DAL and end up putting pressures on DFW to lower costs. Sounds like a win-win situation for AA.
Heaven forbid maybe some WN enthusiasm might rub off on some AA employee's

Okie


User currently offlineDALNeighbor From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
I'm an AMR shareholder, and I applaud management for taking on Southwest at DAL.

If WN is going to continue to push for repeal of the Wright Amendment, when a far more modern airport is available at DFW, then it might as well get used to seeing silver airplanes at DAL.

How long would you suggest they stay there and lose your money?



Wright Amendment = Federally Engineered AA Price Gouging
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
I'm an AMR shareholder, and I applaud management for taking on Southwest at DAL.

If WN is going to continue to push for repeal of the Wright Amendment, when a far more modern airport is available at DFW, then it might as well get used to seeing silver airplanes at DAL.

If I was a shareholder I would be apAAlled to say the least.

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 8):
Yes, and if I were an employee I would be thrilled with the fact that my pay cuts are helping to fund emtpy planes (have you looked at the load factors on AA.com? UGH ) flying out of Love Field so AA can stick it to Southwest.

I agree 110% here.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3414 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

Hey. I don't think it's fair to speak as though AA doesn't know what they are doing. I've read these forums for years and recently joined to post and I've grown accustommed to the armchair CEO mentality on this forum; however, we must understand that the persons running these companies though seemingly stupid actually DO know what they are doing. We don't have facts and figures to refure the decisions AA takes. Perhaps it really is worthit!!?? It's one thing to disagree with, but to be cynical about the decisions of people who know aviation better than many of know our way around our homes is really disturbing.
Long Live AA!!!!!!!

AA1818



God is a Trini...
User currently offlineDALNeighbor From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

AA's gravy train the DFW - LGA route could really be hammered if NY is exempted from Wright and TZ starts codeshare service LGA - DAL just like their soon to be LGA - HOU service.


Wright Amendment = Federally Engineered AA Price Gouging
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6574 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting Okie (Reply 9):
AA will be operating head to head with WN with about 4 MD-80's with near equal operational costs if you figure a well used probably paid for MD-80 against a newer not yet paid for 37.

The vast majority of Southwest's 737 fleet is paid-for; they typically pay cash to Boeing for their new 737's. Not only are they paid-for, but most of Southwest's owned 737's are also unmortgaged. Southwest also has its entire existing DAL operation across which to spread any incremental handling costs for eight additional daily departures, while American is incurring the costs of an entirely new operation at DAL. To be fair, AA was already paying lease costs on gates -- an obligation stemming from "office space" leased back in the late 1990's to keep Legend from having gates to use at DAL.

From looking at the loads on aa.com, the inaugural STL flights look to be nearly empty less than two weeks out. And this is even with AA trying to undercut WN on fares from both DFW and DAL. I suspect that WN will be more than happy to let AMR bleed itself right into Chapter 11.


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

It sounds like WN shouldn't expect a profit on the route anytime soon, either. I just read an article where both airlines have slow bookings for the new service.


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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Then what do you expect? A Cookie?

Signed,
AMR Corp. Shareholders.

Not on board their flights...

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
Hey. I don't think it's fair to speak as though AA doesn't know what they are doing. I've read these forums for years and recently joined to post and I've grown accustommed to the armchair CEO mentality on this forum; however, we must understand that the persons running these companies though seemingly stupid actually DO know what they are doing.

Yeah, just ask Frank Lorenzo.  

Charles, SJ

[Edited 2006-02-21 04:33:49]


The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Couple of things-

1. AA has tried to compete head-to-head with WN before, with remarkably bad results. AA had a state contract for the DAL-AUS service and, even with this booking advantage, flew largely-empty MD-80s back and forth between Dallas and Austin, while Southwest's loads were largely unaffected.

2. Defending market share can be a valid basis for flying at a loss, but based upon AA's prior experience, the DAL service is unlikely to achieve that goal. Hence, it is not ridiculous to conclude that, in this instance, AA's start-up of its likely-losing service is more for the purpase of bolstering the fear-mongering they have been promulgating since the Wright Amendment debate reignited.

I still do not understand why AA does not simply tout the substantial advantages they can deploy by comparison to Southwest, and sell to their strengths.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 17):
I still do not understand why AA does not simply tout the substantial advantages they can deploy by comparison to Southwest, and sell to their strengths.

Well said and I agree 110%, though in order for them to sell to there strengths they need to figure out what they are or what they want them to be. Though you have hit the nail on the head.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Yes, Southwest and many other smart businesses employ this strategy.

I disagree with you on this one. I doubt very much that there has EVER been a city that WN entered in which they did not expect to post a profit. There may be loss leading products to get customers in the door, but no smart company expects to open a branch or new location and not expect to profit. That's the impression I get from AA's comments about DAL. Perhaps eventually it'll turn a profit, but nobody from AA is saying when they expect it to. I doubt they can ever turn a profit in the station, it's about making a point.


User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 17):
I still do not understand why AA does not simply tout the substantial advantages they can deploy by comparison to Southwest, and sell to their strengths

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AA needs to get back in the business of selling seats.


While the WA is neither here nor there to me. I have been utterly amazed at all the hoopla that I see when in the Dallas-Ft Worth area, whether signage, print or any other media.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 14):
I suspect that WN will be more than happy to let AMR bleed itself right into Chapter 11.


IMO I do not think an equalivent of a 4 plane commitment on AA part with 300+ MD-80's in their fleet is either going to bankrupt nor make a huge impact on AA's bottom line whether the flights operate out of DAL in the Red, break-even or in the Black.

Worst case if DAL does not succeed for AA, is a new head light for the tug, a couple sixpacks of Lonestar, and they can sneak the ground equipment back to DFW down the freeway in the middle of the night.

Okie


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6219 times:

Well, I've been against it for a while, but after reading this article, I see their point:
"We HAVE to enter the DAL-Missouri market, or we'll lost valuable walk up business customers. So we're willing to lose money on this limited scope in order to make money on the other flights these same customers must make- flights that WN doesn't and can't do." That's my synopsis.
See, if AA keeps Joseph Greenwald happy on the DAL-MCI run, he's more likely to stick with AA for DFW-PHX, rather than turn to Southwest for DAL-HOU-PHX. If he starts accruing points on Southwest Rapid Rewards, then he's more likely to fork over the extra dough to get on Southwest to Phoenix. But if AA can keep him, they're better off.

And yes, I am SURE that Southwest does the same thing, in the sense that all businesses do. Ford was losing upwards of a grand on each Escort they sold. That's part of the reason they came out with the Focus- to try to command a higher sales price. BUT- Ford would rather lose money selling you a Focus and then hope that someday you buy a Five Hundred than, say, watching you take your checkbook to the profit making Honda dealer for a new Civic. Have you seen how expensive Civics are lately? You can easily spend $19 grand on a stinking econobox! Granted, it's a very well equipped, safe, and reliable econobox, but that's well into bigger car territory. So come on down and by a Focus until you can afford something nicer.

That's the strategy. I don't think it always works, but it's not a BAD idea.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6574 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Quoting Okie (Reply 20):
IMO I do not think an equalivent of a 4 plane commitment on AA part with 300+ MD-80's in their fleet is either going to bankrupt nor make a huge impact on AA's bottom line whether the flights operate out of DAL in the Red, break-even or in the Black.

If AA's little "we have to make a point by serving DAL" temper tantrum is limited to just this 4-aircraft commitment, then I'll agree that the negative impact to the bottom line will only end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of ten million per year or so.

If Wright is further loosened and AA decides that they need to "protect their market share" in additional key markets...well, that could get uglier. But it is obviously AA's right to run their business as they see fit...as long as the shareholders ultimately approve.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 21):
See, if AA keeps Joseph Greenwald happy on the DAL-MCI run, he's more likely to stick with AA for DFW-PHX, rather than turn to Southwest for DAL-HOU-PHX. If he starts accruing points on Southwest Rapid Rewards, then he's more likely to fork over the extra dough to get on Southwest to Phoenix. But if AA can keep him, they're better off.

I still don't follow this logic, largely because one could apply it to a number of large business markets which Southwest has served from DAL for two-and-half decades or longer -- places like HOU, MSY, ELP, ABQ, AUS, SAT, OKC, TUL, LIT, MAF...well, you get the picture. It seems to me that flights from DAL to STL or MCI are no more likely to lead to passenger loyalty than DAL-HOU and DAL-ABQ, as an example.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1531 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
however, we must understand that the persons running these companies though seemingly stupid actually DO know what they are doing.

If these people know what they're doing, then why are several legacies hemorraging money with near-record load factors and (in some cases forcibly) lowered labor costs?

ANd don't tell me it's all because of the cost of fuel, because in EVERY OTHER transport-related industry that cost is passed off to the end customer. Be it the person putting their trash out on the curb for the trash company to collect or the drunk hailing a taxi to get home at night, rates are going up everywhere EXCEPT the airlines due to fuel.

Now, I may be the only one, but it doesn't seem to me that, as a group, they know what they're doing.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Thread starter):
"It's tough to forecast a profit anywhere in the airline business," said Cush. "My guess is it will be tough to make a profit here. ...It will be tough sledding."

Talk about a defeatist attitude. This dude should be fired.

It's actually easy to predict profit.....I think we all predict that WN will be profitable in the near term.

If AA cannot make a profit in DAL, yank the routes and fire the bone-head managers who recommended moving into DAL.

It's time for AA to make consistent profits. Period.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 Post contains images N600RR : That is curious... Even FedEx (ground and air) have (or had) fuel surcharges added to shipping costs -- don't know about UPS, DHL, etc.
26 Antoniemey : Honestly, I hadn't even thought about them. But I'd bet that UPS and DHL have too, though when I ship stuff it goes USPS... cheaper for the most part
27 Post contains images AAden : this outta show southwest who's boss. if american wants to stick it to southwest then they should duplicate their schedule and make sure that their fa
28 TxAgKuwait : >>this outta show southwest who's boss. if american wants to stick it to southwest then they should duplicate their schedule and make sure that their
29 Donder10 : And fleet commonality.Not only do AA have quite a few fleet types but they also have some sub-fleets within at least 1 aircraft type(ie the ex TW 752
30 OzarkD9S : For being honest?
31 Tornado82 : You can't look at the pretty pictures of planes on the website to get a look at load factors. They don't account for walkups or any of that, standbys
32 MrSTL : I agree, but when not a single seat is occupied on the pretty picture it is pretty telling, I fly enough and use the seat maps enough to know these p
33 Tockeyhockey : lost, i think, in all this conversation is that this is happening only because of the expansion of wright to include STL. AA needs to protect STL -- a
34 TxAgKuwait : You know, one thing you haven't thought about....maybe American's seat maps are showing nobody on the plane.... BECAUSE THEY INTEND TO THROW OUT THE S
35 FURUREFA : It only shows peoples with assigned seats; if they dont have an assigned seat, they won't show up. Matt
36 SeeTheWorld : At some future point, AA will have to co-exist with WN in a non-WA environment. When the WA eventually goes away, and it will, the financial hit to AA
37 Tornado82 : Why should they pander to the de-gentrification of aviation? There are many of us who PREFER not to be boarded on like cattle, and that should be one
38 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : They have openly stated they dont intend to make money on the DAL flights. Someone at American Airlines has to be thinking: Is it worth it? Well ther
39 SCEagle : Slightly offtopic... Anyone else read the topic title as: AA Officials: We don't expect profit at Delta Air Lines?
40 Petmbro : I too am an AMR holder and I find this move just foolish. Although I support the repeal of Wright, there is no logical reason why they need to be fly
41 Tango-Bravo : Which is way the legacies think, which is why they do not and cannot sustain profits with any consistency. It's all about stroking bloated egos in th
42 Pope : Guys, "Paid for" and "depreciated" are two different accounting issues. A plane can be paid for in cash and still show up as an expense on a company's
43 TxAgKuwait : >>Why should they pander to the de-gentrification of aviation? There are many of us who PREFER not to be boarded on like cattle, and that should be on
44 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Fort Worth Star Telegram American Shows Off Love Facility http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic.../article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=5440
45 Post contains images N600RR : I find FedEx Ground cheaper for packages over 2lbs, and with fedex.com I don't need to stand in line at the post office or worry about stamps , and c
46 Post contains links Lightsaber : Not to mention WN has shorter turn times (reduces CASM). This is an interesting theory... Good point. AA to DFW: lower costs! It also fills up DAL re
47 Tornado82 : Let's not forget that AA's inherent CASM for DAL *should* be somewhat lower once they start reaping the benefits of those far-below-market-value fees
48 Isitsafenow : My two cents worth with commentary cent one...seems like AA did not learn their lesson they got at STL. from Herb. cent two...I'm betting the MCI and
49 SeeTheWorld : Please folks - this is all peanuts. WN primary cost savings comes from a more productive workforce, higher aircraft utilization, more productive use
50 Goingboeing : I don't. Southwest doesn't seem to be too concerned about market share, just as long as they make a profit in a market. The other airlines somehow fe
51 Isitsafenow : The theme of Herbs book, NUTZ........ is market share. safe
52 SeeTheWorld : Yes, but it's not market share for the sake of market share. Building market share profitably with a well-thought-out strategy by a well-run organizat
53 Tom in NO : I'm sure that not only is WN expecting it, they'll welcome the competition.....especially considering the return on the investment is 'open skies' ou
54 Antoniemey : I am well aware of that. It's still cheaper for most of my needs. Indeed, that was my point... one that the US airline industry as a whole, not count
55 Tango-Bravo : Don't remember reading this in the copy loaned to me by a Southwest employee. Even if true, there is all the difference between Southwest and the leg
56 Post contains images JayDavis : Oh my, my my, a lot of points being made in this thread, both good ones and bad ones in my opinion. Of course opinions are like a**holes, everybody ha
57 Post contains images N600RR : EXCELLENT point! Any armchair economists want to explain THAT incongruity? Can I hear an AAmen? ...hmmm, seems like it's been a successful strategy s
58 Post contains images 2H4 : Regarding assigned seating....I still can't figure out why people DISlike having the option to choose who to avoid sitting next to. 2H4
59 Post contains images JayDavis : N600RR, Stop it !! Your killing me !! Yes, I am an AMR stockholder. Just wish I had been one of the very wise ones who bought it at $1.50 or $2.00 a s
60 Post contains images N600RR : Thank you. Thank you very much! And don't forget to tip your waitress. You should try the veal, I'm gonna be here all night. ... You can also catch m
61 Post contains images 2H4 : Exactly. Whether it's seatmates or airports, freedom of choice is a decidedly good thing. 2H4
62 ScottB : Another indication of "how well" AA's new DAL service is performing would be the AAdvantage award offer announced today; round-trip economy class awar
63 SeeTheWorld : Tango-Bravo and JayDavis - Thanks, I could not have said it much better. You have summed up the DAL situation very well.
64 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Ditto here. I also enjoyed and digested what they discussed. Thanks.... safe
65 Post contains links and images Thunder9 : Just as a sidebar to this topic, both AA & WN will be paying more soon to operate out of DAL. Dallas City Council members raised landing fees at Love
66 Apodino : Just a thought here? Has midwest airlines, which has a small hub in MCI, made a play in this market, and could they be a wild card in this battle?
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