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AirTran Adds New Flights From BWI & MDW  
User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1606 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7716 times:

Beginning in May: BWI to DTW and BWI to MKE (seasonal) plus MDW to CLT and a 6th MDW to MSP.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060221/nytu062.html?.v=40

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060221/nytu061.html?.v=40

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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Where do you think the next Airtran hub will be?? Any thoughts?


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5107 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

I wonder if we can expect NW's typical response. Good for FL though, glad to see them boosting the BWI ops.


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User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

AirTran will also be adding a 3rd CLT-BWI flight.

I think the addition of CLT-MDW is a very obvious pre-emptive move by AirTran against SWA. Charlotte has been a looooooooong rumored future destination for SWA and the CLT-MDW and CLT-BWI routes are ones that SWA would obviously run. Will be interesting to see if this delays SWA pending arrival in CLT.

In May AirTran will have 9 flights a day from CLT. 4 to ATL, 3 to BWI, and 2 to MDW all on Boeing 717 aircraft.


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

This will be their second attempt at MKE-BWI.

I do not foresee NW throwing a CRJ on the route like the first round.



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User currently offlineGSPITNL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7594 times:

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 3):
AirTran will also be adding a 3rd CLT-BWI flight.

I think the addition of CLT-MDW is a very obvious pre-emptive move by AirTran against SWA. Charlotte has been a looooooooong rumored future destination for SWA and the CLT-MDW and CLT-BWI routes are ones that SWA would obviously run. Will be interesting to see if this delays SWA pending arrival in CLT.

In May AirTran will have 9 flights a day from CLT. 4 to ATL, 3 to BWI, and 2 to MDW all on Boeing 717 aircraft.

Would be nice if FL could keep WN from coming into CLT.



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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

MDW-CLT is also a former TZ route, so it jives with AirTran's strategy at MDW of "let's do TZ's old routes out of MDW". Hopefully FL can profit on this route.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3403 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7527 times:

Didn't FL use CRJ's the last time they served BWI-MKE

MDW-CLT is a good route, but if WN ever enters CLT they will likely be able to swing the advantage on the route their way pretty easily. They have the ability to throw more aircraft on the route. In the course of a year MDW-PHL went from 3 or 4 to 9 flts a day.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 7):
Didn't FL use CRJ's the last time they served BWI-MKE

Yes, IIRC this routing was one of the last RJ flights before the contract between Air Wisconsin and FL expired.

Quoting Mlsrar (Reply 4):
This will be their second attempt at MKE-BWI.

I do not foresee NW throwing a CRJ on the route like the first round.

True, but they'll still have to fight off YX who flies a 328 on the route.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

AirTran needs to start staking out a claim in certain markets because their options are somewhat limited. These are probably good moves over the long term. The BWI-DTW market has been begging for a competitor for many years.

As far as NW's response, I'm sure they will respond, but AirTran understands NW very well. Bob Fornaro was Senior VP at NW in the early 1990s and many of the current VPs at NW worked for him - there are no illusions there. Everyone knows everyone quite well.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
I wonder if we can expect NW's typical response

You mean near ancient aircraft?


User currently offlineFirstclasser From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7435 times:

Do you think there would be a market for ISP? I know southwest has a stronghold, but would it be suicidal for them to enter another airport in the NYC area? LGA can be a headache, and they have more destinations than B6. I think that ISP-MDW would be a great routing, as people would prefer FL over SWA

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

BWI-MKE is the one that puzzles me. I thought that route was always a poor performer (MKE in general a poor performer for FL). You would think if FL is limited aircraft wise, they would want to focus where they have been more successfull (IND, SRQ, CAK, MDW, etc..).

MDW-MSP must be getting better in light of gaining another flight. The last time I read about that route, on this board, the loads were light.

Can anyone shed some light on this?


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7415 times:
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MKE-BWI was a good route in the summer months, thus it's only a seasonal flight. We used to have two mainline a day on it, then we added a CRJ, shortly there after we went to CRJ's only and then we dropped it all together after NW announced it. It's good to know that FL realizes that MKE is still alive.


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

I forgot about NW being off this route now. That should surely help.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7372 times:
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NW dropped MKE-BWI last summer. I don't think they will be starting it up again.


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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

Yep sounds like they are moving in on NWA routes in case the pilots strike.....The DTW route is a big one for NWA and to have Airtran move in spells trouble for NWA...... I don't see the strike lasting to long if at all. Bush will step in and order everyone back to work....We will have to wait and see on the 24th on what happens.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

I think it's great news for those of us close to DTW! DTW-BWI flights start at $59 each way, never could figure out why WN never flew the route. Just e-mailed my sister who lives in BWI, now it'll make more sense for her to fly home.

roughly how many daily flights does FL operate at BWI now?


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

DTW must be working out pretty well. Other than the FNT-LAS and IND-SFO, LAX , I'm not aware of any retaliation by NW against FL. Kind of unusual.

User currently offline73G From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 17):
roughly how many daily flights does FL operate at BWI now?

Currently, there are 35 departures out of BWI:

BOS x 8
ATL x 6
MCO x 4
TPA x 3
FLL x 3
ROC x 3
DAY x 3
CLT x 2
RSW x 1
FPO x 1
SRQ x 1


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

I'm wondering when we'll see BWI-IND on FL?

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Looks like FL has picked up the former FLYI gate at CLT for a 2nd gate. I'd say more FL flying in CLT is on the way.

http://www.airtran.com/cities/charlottenc.aspx


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

Glad to see FL add another destination out of MDW. And CLT is a great choice as there is no one on the MDW-CLT route. ATA was on it and of course dropped it. US used to be on this route 3X daily but with CRJs, but that was around three years ago.

I guess FL will have the fourth gate by May at MDW. Lets see what other routes FL has up their sleeve out of MDW. A MDW-SFO flight would work for them since ATA will be dropping out of the route sometime in April.

Quoting Firstclasser (Reply 11):
I think that ISP-MDW would be a great routing, as people would prefer FL over SWA

I dont think FL would ever open MDW-ISP. They arleady have MDW-EWR, and if they need more flights to the NYC area, I'm sure they would add more frequencies to this route.


User currently offlineSbagdon From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

NW's response, for DTW/BWI?

5/24, same day? $958.

5/25, same day? $138.

Steve B.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6996 times:

The FL rep was in my office here in Chicago last week. They are very confident that they can make money on the old TZ routes as they will have less capacity. Securing the fourth gate has been top priority for MDW. They are really wanting a east/west hub. My bet is on IND as it is finishing an expansion for an airline that has seriously downsized (TZ).

25 Indy : Having to fight just to get a 3rd or 4th gate pretty much eliminates an airport from hub contention. Just no room in MDW. Don't know if they will do
26 Congaboy : Just as WN went after US, looks like FL is smelling blood in Eagen, MN. Let the games continue...
27 Cubsrule : The 738s were always way too much airplane for MDW-CLT. FL ought to be able to make it work with 717s. On another note, I think it's interesting that
28 Quickmover : That isn't a strike, but all the new DTW, MSP and IND flights are.
29 SeeTheWorld : Don't you mean the way Delta smelled blood by going after both US Airways and Indy Air and bankrupting themselves in the process. Southwest isn't goi
30 Mikey711MN : No, but BWI-DTW certainly cuts into the hub premium that NW can't be happy about. After all... And the 6th MSP-MDW flight further assures NW will mai
31 Cubsrule : No one likes competition, but a direct attack on NW? I remain skeptical. It's more like an opportunity to offer lower fares than the incumbent carrie
32 Quickmover : Can anyone here comment on how DTW-ATL, MCO, SRQ; MSP-MDW is performing load wise? I would suspect they are filling up the aircraft very well.
33 Cubsrule : I flew MDW-MSP on TZ a couple of times and was always surprsied about how full it was-- not that they filled the plane (because they didn't), but bec
34 Mikey711MN : True enough, this is far from a shot across the NW bow directly, but an increase in competition anywhere where NW solely enjoys said hub premium inde
35 Cubsrule : I would agree with that... it would help if I hadn't made the stupid typo in my first post (must have been thinking about my own flight to MKE on Fri
36 Midway737 : I doubt Bush will help. He didn't help with United(?) when it when on strike last time during his administration. Already plan to have 4 gates by now
37 N742AT : Well last time I had a chat with VP Jack Smith he said we would be only using 3.5 gates in MDW, that we would not get control of the last gate we wou
38 STLGph : I wouldn't be surprised to see Indianapolis to Baltimore come in the near future. Not thinking that Indianapolis will be a hub hub in the future, but
39 Jerion : I fly MSP-MDW on FL once a month (usually flying out on Fri and returning on Sun evening) and the flights are pretty full. Business Class fills up qu
40 Post contains images Mke717spotter :    yes! thank you!!! finally airtran starts increasing their service hear in MKE, to bad its only seasonal but a good start, finally a good use for
41 Mexicana757 : Do you know which gates FL is using? I know they have been moved to A10 and A12. Are the other two gates A14 and A16? Off topic, do you know or anyon
42 HoosierCFI : [quote=Sbagdon,reply=23]NW's response, for DTW/BWI? 5/24, same day? $958. 5/25, same day? $138.[/quote I wonder if NW will ever learn that monopoly pr
43 Pilottim747 : Don't forget that FL has also tried hard to get the MSP-BOS and MSP-EWR markets by having short connection times at MSP. Fares to BOS certainly have
44 N742AT : FL operates both 737's and 717's out of BWI. Just started most recently doing 737's in BWI, its only on one or two flights a day though.
45 Gr8SlvrFlt : From BWI, 73Gs are flying to ATL, BOS, FLL, MCO & TPA.
46 Quickmover : FL has also taken up a 2nd gate at MSP. Certainly more space than they need right now, which will mean more MSP flights to somewhere.
47 N742AT : DTW has been a great city for FL. We now fly two runs to MCO daily, most flights to ATL are more that 85% full, the SRQ run just started but I suspec
48 PSU.DTW.SCE : I don't think NW is too surprised to see competition on DTW-BWI, everyone thought Southwest would've added this route years ago, since they have no se
49 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : Why? Being self-employed, seems you would like lower fares, no matter the airline! ‘No low-fare rival? You’ll pay’ http://www.philly.com/mld/ph
50 Quickmover : I think it's ironic that some of the stations that Airtran waited the longest to start have become some of their best citys. IND, CLT, and SRQ come to
51 Jhiller : Is AirTran the former ValueJet ?
52 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : Kind of. http://money.cnn.com/1997/07/10/deals/valujet/ M
53 Chase : Yeah...wrecked my car down there and had to non-rev home, and at the end of the flight a passenger said that it had been a really great flight and "I
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