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Uproar On Board - LTU Flight Returns To DUS  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quote:
A Bangkok-bound aircraft was diverted to the German city of Dusseldorf yesterday after a drunken male passenger went on a rampage that triggered an uproar on board.

The captain decided in Ukraine airspace to call the trip off amid fears of a full-scale brawl.

The Airbus jet, operated by LTU, a German vacations airline, had left Munich in Germany with 212 passengers aboard when the 45-year-old man began misbehaving.

Click here for the full article.

Another article (in German) mentioned that it happened in Ukrainian airspace, so I assume that the guy was boozing in the plane. Why did the F/A's serve him so many drinks?

Patrick

Edit: Typo

[Edited 2006-02-21 16:28:38]

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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

It's possible he had a few before boarding, and whatever they gave him on the aircraft put him over the edge.

Trying to determine if someone is intoxicated by observation is not foolproof. The only way to tell for sure is if you smell alcohol on their breath when they talk.

I'm also surprised they did not divert to Kiev. An all expenses paid trip to a "resort "courtesy of the Ukrainian Police would be enough to sober up anyone!

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 1):
I'm also surprised they did not divert to Kiev.

Good point, I also don't understand why they didn't land enroute, loaded the guy off and continued the flight to Bangkok instead of flying several hours back to DUS.

Patrick


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

A few days in a Ukrainian or Russian jail somewhere enroute to BKK would have possibly also produced a better educational effect on that dork. Big grin


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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

The only thing that comes to mind is that KBP could not handle an aircraft that size, assuming it was an A-330.

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 4):
The only thing that comes to mind is that KBP could not handle an aircraft that size, assuming it was an A-330.

It certainly was cause as far as I know LTU doesn't have any other "longhaul" jets anymore.

Still strange to fly all the way back but I reckon that passenger will get a hangover and a nice bill to pay because of that diversion.

Regds
jush



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 1):
Trying to determine if someone is intoxicated by observation is not foolproof

Southwest seem to manage the process easily enough Big grin


User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

I guess DUS being LTU home port would make the allocation of paxs (stayed overnight) and orginisational matters as well as legal matters (German ground - German airline) much easier as there are more resources.

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

I think they probably were so frustrated the cpt just said" Fine. Just take er into Dusseldorf."

I know that VV (AeroSvit-Ukrainian) has 763s on KBP-BKK, JFK, YYZ, and maybe another destination or two.. I assume they (KBP) could also handle a 332, but not 100% sure.

-Mr. X



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9178 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Landing in IEV means you have an aircraft stranded there, send a new crew, get 300 people booked into Hotels, not an easy task I would think. Last, leaving the guy in the Ukraine really could raise some legal questions, eventually he might have reasons to sue LTU afterwards.

German law is strange in many ways, leaning always in favor towards the offender who might have had a hard childhood. I believe this whole matter is still a grey zone. If they pass relevcant laws they should really make it possible for the airlines to leave such guys right where they kicked them out. A few nights in an Ukrainian jail should really be a sobering experience.

A bill of anything between € 100 and 200K which is believed what it will have cost is really sobering only if he has money or a small house he can then kiss good bye. XSomething these morons usually don't have.



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User currently offlineSR100 From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

There was just a video shown on the German channel RTL about the incident on board. The video was taken by another passenger seating two or three rows in front of the drunken passenger.

There were also some interviews with fellow passengers taken right before this morning's departure to BKK, after they had to spend the night in DUS. All these passengers have said that the guy was already drunken when he was boarding the plane. According the police, he had 2.2 promille...

It was said that the guy had difficulties in finding his seat and that he got always in trouble with the neighbours. It looks like if there were some empty seats, so he could move around. After take off, he begun to make difficulties, was shouting that he intents to kill all onboard. He got handcuffed to his seat, but continued to make troubles orally. Another female passenger, seating on the other side of the aisle, knocked him into the face!!!

Shortly afterwards the captain discontinued the trip and wanted to return to MUC, but for some reasons the had to go to DUS.

According a LTU spokesperson, the guy has as to cover the extra costs, around 100000 to 150000 Euros, if he has some moey.



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User currently offlineMd95 From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 1):



Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 1):
Trying to determine if someone is intoxicated by observation is not foolproof. The only way to tell for sure is if you smell alcohol on their breath when they talk.

Assuming that he was drunk, then LTU created the problem and they should pay for it to all other passengers. I agree that legal intoxication can only be asserted with instruments, but any seasoned airline customer service should notice i somebody is a bit "high" before allowing him to board.
Once in the airplane, care should be taken by the F/A not to refill him.
I once experience on an Air France flight F/A that kept refilling the glass of wine of one passenger so many time that he started to vomit wine all over!
The customer is always right....but only up to a certain point.



dario
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Quoting SR100 (Reply 10):
There was just a video shown on the German channel RTL about the incident on board. The video was taken by another passenger seating two or three rows in front of the drunken passenger.

I just saw the same in the RTL 2 news, I was sure that they will show that since you wrote that RTL showed it before.  Wink

Quoting SR100 (Reply 10):
All these passengers have said that the guy was already drunken when he was boarding the plane. According the police, he had 2.2 promille...

Yes, all passengers said that the guy was already drunk when he entered the plane and that he was causing trouble shortly before take-off. When the passengers tell the truth, then it is definitely LTU's fault, the F/As were not attentive enough, they should have denied the guy boarding and nothing had happened.

But then again, it is LTU, you can't expect much from their F/A's.

Patrick


User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

They might have returned for crew scheduling reasons. It is easier to get a spare crew from DUS if you are LTU, rather than in Kiev...


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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
A bill of anything between € 100 and 200K which is believed what it will have cost is really sobering only if he has money or a small house he can then kiss good bye. XSomething these morons usually don't have.

He has no money as he lives from HARTZ IV. Saw him talking on RTL yesterday and told he had a black-out and can't remember anything of the things which happened. The crew was chnged at DUS and a guy from LTU said he has to face costs of something between a 6 digit and a 7 digit number....over 1 million seems to be quite much for a diversion?!?!

Anyone has any info which reg was the a/c which he was on?

Georg.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 14):
He has no money as he lives from HARTZ IV.

Huh? A Hartz IV (social welfare) receiver is sitting completely shitfaced on a flight to Bangkok? How's that possible?

Flight to Bangkok..... 600 EUR
A few drinks at the airport..... 23 EUR
Causing trouble onboard and making the flight going back to DUS..... PRICELESS.

For everthing else there is Hartz IV.

Patrick

[Edited 2006-02-24 16:51:11]

User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting SR100 (Reply 10):
He got handcuffed to his seat

What airlines do this. I've seen some programs where crew have been taught how to restrain passengers but do many airlines carry these kinds of things on their aircraft?



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting BMED (Reply 16):
Quoting SR100 (Reply 10):
He got handcuffed to his seat

What airlines do this. I've seen some programs where crew have been taught how to restrain passengers but do many airlines carry these kinds of things on their aircraft?

I think many airlines carry seats. Probably only with the exception of Ryanair. Big grin


User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Do not blame the FA each time a pax get drunk. Keep in mind that many pax buy their own bottles of alcohol at the Airport duty free shops and sometime they have already begun to drink and with the altitude it get worse.

User currently offlineSmokescreen From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 8):
I think they probably were so frustrated the cpt just said" Fine. Just take er into Dusseldorf."

It's like going on road trips with your family and p*ssing off dad -
"If you kids don't shut up back there I'm turning the car around and there'll be no Disneyland for anyone!"

Of course it's one thing when you're 8 years old, another when you are an "adult"...


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 15):

 bigthumbsup  bigthumbsup  bigthumbsup  bigthumbsup  bigthumbsup  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Corsairf/a (Reply 18):

And we don't know how was trained on drinking. Some people are drunken after a bottle of beer others after 15 ones....

But the F/A's didn's looked very professional in the video from the flight i saw on TV which is no wonder after what we experinced on LTU last month

LH/LT To DRS-DUS-PUJ-MBJ-DUS-DRS - Long! (by Jorge1812 Feb 21 2006 in Trip Reports)

Georg


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9178 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 15):

Huh? A Hartz IV (social welfare) receiver is sitting completely shitfaced on a flight to Bangkok? How's that possible?

Flight to Bangkok..... 600 EUR
A few drinks at the airport..... 23 EUR
Causing trouble onboard and making the flight going back to DUS..... PRICELESS.

For everthing else there is Hartz IV.

Patrick

[Edited 2006-02-24 16:51:11]

Love that too.

Something must be wrong in a country where welfare recipients can afford flights to BKK.

Juggernauts



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