Aerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5511 times:
I guess DUS being LTU home port would make the allocation of paxs (stayed overnight) and orginisational matters as well as legal matters (German ground - German airline) much easier as there are more resources.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10653 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5467 times:
Landing in IEV means you have an aircraft stranded there, send a new crew, get 300 people booked into Hotels, not an easy task I would think. Last, leaving the guy in the Ukraine really could raise some legal questions, eventually he might have reasons to sue LTU afterwards.
German law is strange in many ways, leaning always in favor towards the offender who might have had a hard childhood. I believe this whole matter is still a grey zone. If they pass relevcant laws they should really make it possible for the airlines to leave such guys right where they kicked them out. A few nights in an Ukrainian jail should really be a sobering experience.
A bill of anything between € 100 and 200K which is believed what it will have cost is really sobering only if he has money or a small house he can then kiss good bye. XSomething these morons usually don't have.
SR100 From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5359 times:
There was just a video shown on the German channel RTL about the incident on board. The video was taken by another passenger seating two or three rows in front of the drunken passenger.
There were also some interviews with fellow passengers taken right before this morning's departure to BKK, after they had to spend the night in DUS. All these passengers have said that the guy was already drunken when he was boarding the plane. According the police, he had 2.2 promille...
It was said that the guy had difficulties in finding his seat and that he got always in trouble with the neighbours. It looks like if there were some empty seats, so he could move around. After take off, he begun to make difficulties, was shouting that he intents to kill all onboard. He got handcuffed to his seat, but continued to make troubles orally. Another female passenger, seating on the other side of the aisle, knocked him into the face!!!
Shortly afterwards the captain discontinued the trip and wanted to return to MUC, but for some reasons the had to go to DUS.
According a LTU spokesperson, the guy has as to cover the extra costs, around 100000 to 150000 Euros, if he has some moey.
Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 1): Trying to determine if someone is intoxicated by observation is not foolproof. The only way to tell for sure is if you smell alcohol on their breath when they talk.
Assuming that he was drunk, then LTU created the problem and they should pay for it to all other passengers. I agree that legal intoxication can only be asserted with instruments, but any seasoned airline customer service should notice i somebody is a bit "high" before allowing him to board.
Once in the airplane, care should be taken by the F/A not to refill him.
I once experience on an Air France flight F/A that kept refilling the glass of wine of one passenger so many time that he started to vomit wine all over!
The customer is always right....but only up to a certain point.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5210 times:
Quoting SR100 (Reply 10): There was just a video shown on the German channel RTL about the incident on board. The video was taken by another passenger seating two or three rows in front of the drunken passenger.
I just saw the same in the RTL 2 news, I was sure that they will show that since you wrote that RTL showed it before.
Quoting SR100 (Reply 10): All these passengers have said that the guy was already drunken when he was boarding the plane. According the police, he had 2.2 promille...
Yes, all passengers said that the guy was already drunk when he entered the plane and that he was causing trouble shortly before take-off. When the passengers tell the truth, then it is definitely LTU's fault, the F/As were not attentive enough, they should have denied the guy boarding and nothing had happened.
But then again, it is LTU, you can't expect much from their F/A's.
Jorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4812 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9): A bill of anything between € 100 and 200K which is believed what it will have cost is really sobering only if he has money or a small house he can then kiss good bye. XSomething these morons usually don't have.
He has no money as he lives from HARTZ IV. Saw him talking on RTL yesterday and told he had a black-out and can't remember anything of the things which happened. The crew was chnged at DUS and a guy from LTU said he has to face costs of something between a 6 digit and a 7 digit number....over 1 million seems to be quite much for a diversion?!?!
Anyone has any info which reg was the a/c which he was on?
Corsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4459 times:
Do not blame the FA each time a pax get drunk. Keep in mind that many pax buy their own bottles of alcohol at the Airport duty free shops and sometime they have already begun to drink and with the altitude it get worse.