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Airbus & Russia In Talks On $25 Billion New Jet  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Airbus is in talks with Russia on forming a $25 billion partnership to develop a new aircraft.

- $20 billion for the development of this new passenger plane,
- $3 billion in parts orders for Airbus's new A350 airliner
- $2 billion for converting single-aisle passenger planes into cargo carriers

The homefleet is rusting, they have the resources (e.g. titanium / skilled people) and national income /welfare / travel is growing (oil / gas exporter )

Logical movements IMO

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...0085&sid=apUflIVvpQ0Q&refer=europe

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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
$20 billion for the development of this new passenger plane,

That sounds a bit much.. That's around 50% more than the A380 development costs! Someone is being a bit optimistic there I think.


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

is that $20 billion for the development of just one new aircraft, or is it for the development of new airbus jets over the next years/decades??

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
That's around 50% more than the A380 development costs! Someone is being a bit optimistic there I think.

Actually, $20 billion USD is more than the A380 development cost.

That must be for several aircraft. The B777 and A380 were around $15 billion each, the B787 will total around $8 billion, and the A350 around $5 billion. Aircraft are expensive, but not that expensive. Russia even has a sophisticated aerospace industry already established.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- $2 billion for converting single-aisle passenger planes into cargo carriers

I guess this is for the A320F  Smile



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6966 times:

$20 million seems a lot indeed for a new aircraft, probably a typo however everyone is repeating it.. http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2006/02/22/044.html

I wonder what size of aircraft it would be. 250-300 seems unlikely, less then 200 seats seems covered by an array of aircraft types such as the MS-21.

Something medium capasity & range optimized to cover domestic routes and Europe?


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

well, if the news is true, it probably just signifies that airbus and russia are going to work closer together on future projects. i dont think itll be for the development of just one new airliner. or it could be a typo. or a false rumour. lol.

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
That sounds a bit much.. That's around 50% more than the A380 development costs! Someone is being a bit optimistic there I think.



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
Actually, $20 billion USD is more than the A380 development cost.



Quoting Keesje (Reply 5):
$20 million seems a lot indeed for a new aircraft, probably a typo however everyone is repeating it..

**cough** cough** supersonic** cough  Wink



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

I don't think I believe it. Airbus doesn't yet have enough orders for A380 to break even, or even half as many orders as they need. Will they eventually get them, probably. But they still have to finish off all the odds and ends with that aircraft. They have to develop the A350 and make it attractive against what looks like a phenomenal competitor in 787, and they have to develop an A320 replacement. I don't see where the spare 25 billion in development cash comes from. Neither Russia nor Airbus has a ton of spare change to throw around on a huge gamble.

And right now, with $60+ oil prices, airlines don't care about getting there sooner, they care about burning less fuel doing it. A supersonic jet will never get the same fuel economy that the best subsonics get per passenger mile. As a result, the market for these aircraft will be small, certainly small enough they'd never turn a profit enough to offset the largest (by far) development cost of any civil airliner. Boeing had SoniCruiser, which would get the same fuel economy as 767, and move 30% faster. No one cared. They had that thing ready to go. They could revive it without much trouble. They never pursued it because of lack of interest.



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