Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 6552 times:
Airbus is in talks with Russia on forming a $25 billion partnership to develop a new aircraft.
- $20 billion for the development of this new passenger plane,
- $3 billion in parts orders for Airbus's new A350 airliner
- $2 billion for converting single-aisle passenger planes into cargo carriers
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DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6079 times:
Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1): That's around 50% more than the A380 development costs! Someone is being a bit optimistic there I think.
Actually, $20 billion USD is more than the A380 development cost.
That must be for several aircraft. The B777 and A380 were around $15 billion each, the B787 will total around $8 billion, and the A350 around $5 billion. Aircraft are expensive, but not that expensive. Russia even has a sophisticated aerospace industry already established.
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1238 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5668 times:
well, if the news is true, it probably just signifies that airbus and russia are going to work closer together on future projects. i dont think itll be for the development of just one new airliner. or it could be a typo. or a false rumour. lol.
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5632 times:
Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1): That sounds a bit much.. That's around 50% more than the A380 development costs! Someone is being a bit optimistic there I think.
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3): Actually, $20 billion USD is more than the A380 development cost.
Quoting Keesje (Reply 5): $20 million seems a lot indeed for a new aircraft, probably a typo however everyone is repeating it..
**cough** cough** supersonic** cough
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FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5184 times:
I don't think I believe it. Airbus doesn't yet have enough orders for A380 to break even, or even half as many orders as they need. Will they eventually get them, probably. But they still have to finish off all the odds and ends with that aircraft. They have to develop the A350 and make it attractive against what looks like a phenomenal competitor in 787, and they have to develop an A320 replacement. I don't see where the spare 25 billion in development cash comes from. Neither Russia nor Airbus has a ton of spare change to throw around on a huge gamble.
And right now, with $60+ oil prices, airlines don't care about getting there sooner, they care about burning less fuel doing it. A supersonic jet will never get the same fuel economy that the best subsonics get per passenger mile. As a result, the market for these aircraft will be small, certainly small enough they'd never turn a profit enough to offset the largest (by far) development cost of any civil airliner. Boeing had SoniCruiser, which would get the same fuel economy as 767, and move 30% faster. No one cared. They had that thing ready to go. They could revive it without much trouble. They never pursued it because of lack of interest.
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