United#52 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
From what I've heard, foreign airlines are not what they're stacked up to be. My dad had to make a connection from United to Singapore in Los Angeles, and he said that if he'd had a choice, he would have definitely stayed with United. He also said that Lufthansa needs some help in the inflight service area. Try actually "flying" United on a long-range route sometime. Their Chicago-Honolulu flight 43 is great. Despite being a DC10-30 (which I actually like) the crews are always nice (I've flown it 4 times), the food is good (one three course meal and a one-courser before landing), and the "Service with Aloha" is just the best. United Forever!
Mirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3120 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
Yeah! United is the best, all the others are crap. How can you reach such conclusions makes me laugh.
You must have some complex to think that someone here hates american carriers.
When I enter this forum I thought everybody here enjoy to talk about aviation but for you aviation is just a competition between airlines and aircrafts. It's sad to think that someone hates american airlines, I like them all. The fun is to see diferences between airlines but you don't get it.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9301 posts, RR: 42 Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
I've seen a few uncomplimentary posts about particular airlines but I must have missed the ones that gave the impression anyone here hates American carriers. I've only flown NW and Delta and I preferred them to a lot of European airlines I've flown, including some British ones.
Mirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3120 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
Face the reality: some US airlines are inferior to european airlines and some european airlines are inferior to US airlines.
Some asian airlines are superior to both US and european airlines.
United is just one more airline between some other great airlines in the world.
I bet if your dad worked for TAP, you would say TAP is the best, go TAP!
BryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
Of all the airlines I've been on, the standards on the international runs are MUCH higher than the domestic flights. I've only flown domestic flights on European airlines (BA and Alitalia) a few times, but thier short runs were just like the average "home to Altoona" flights on the U.S. carriers.
So it might be dependent on the kind of routes that you fly in each airline. If I hadn't flown those European domestic flights, I'd probably think that the European airlines were way more luxurious than the U.S. ones. But it's really all about the same.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9301 posts, RR: 42 Reply 10, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
Have I missed an entire topic somewhere?
Where are all these anti-US carrier posts? At least half of the posts I've seen criticising one US carrier or another came from forum members in the US, usually comparing them to other US carriers. Who are these anti-US carrier Europeans who've only flown on European and Asian carriers?
LanFan From United States of America, joined May 1999, 86 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
IT is unfair of you to blame an airline for something beyond their control. Recently when I was in George Bush Intercontinental in Houston on Continental I was the first one on the aircraft and went into the cockpit. I spoke with the co-pilot for about 5mins. and I told him that I loved to fly in the jumpseat. He said he would love to have me but that new FAA regulation prohibited anyone without a class 121 (or something like that) license to enter the cockpit. As you know this only affects flights in FAA jurisdiction. He made it up to me by letting me stay in as long as possible and explained to me how they do the tests. Before you are quick to judge the airline please take into account the other factors which are beyond everyones control. Just wanted to clarify this..
Richardshaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1039 times:
...That is just what I think of US carriers. I am not European, but I live in Europe. I fly to the USA a lot, and I can tell you that the meal service on US airlines leaves a lot to be desired. When flying economy class there is not much to judje about the inflight service except the legroom and food. I usually fly economy class, and on most airlines the cabin standards are very much the same. It is unfair to critcsise the airline just because an F/A was not "too smiley" or she did not answer your call within thirty seconds on one occasion. I have flown AA across the atlantic, within the US, and to the Caribbean, the same with UAL. The legroom on US carriers is AWFUL, and you feel just like another passenger being divided by three inches of cloth and plastic from the fat lady in row 54K. I have noticed that US aircrewa are rather stern, and let the passenger "know their place". An Exmple of a trip I took two years ago from GLA to JFK via LHR . Glasgow- London was on a BA 767-300 (shuttle service) The flight was breakfast flight, the seats were wide and just enough legroom (I am 6 foot 4). The flight left on schedule: The meal service consisted of a an entree, a Full english breakfast, i.e Egg omelette,sauteed mushrooms, bacon, sausage...etc (The full monty), The usual bread roll, and Desert. The flight lasts 55 minutes. The JFK-LHR flight, American Airlines A300 (I hate that plane on Long flights)I sat behind the wing, and I had less legroom than on the shuttle, I was quite happy when I saw seatback entertainment systems, so I thought that this would be a good 7 hour flight. The plane left as scheduled. Then time for my meal, There was a choice for the main cource: A slice of pizza (rather disappointing), or steak and something. I had the 'steak' which was no more than three inches across, together with vegies and rice. It tasted dood, but the portions were disappointing. The inflight entrtainment was VERY disapponting, since you had to pay for most of the films with a credit card, and the one that was offered free was a low-budget one. The flight continued and there were sandwiches just before we arrived (but I was still hungry). I do not like the A300 because the cabin noise is quite high and I could barely hear the movie in my headphones. We landed an hour ahead of schedule, which was good though. I have flown many short services of mre than an hours length on a US carrier, and I never got more than peanuts and coke. I have flown many shorthaul european services, and I was ALWAYS served at least two mini- bottles of chardonnay, one before or after, and during the meal service, together with the traditional Tea?, coffee?, tea?..And an Icecream bar befor we took-off. I often walk off the the plane with at least two extra bottles of wine. This goes for KLM and BA.
Also no US carrier excrpt Midwest Express has ever placed in the top-ten places for Best Airline. At the top is Usually Singapore, BA, Swissair and a few other European Carriers.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
I absolutely agree with Richardshaw, its not a matter of loving or hating UA Airlines, its the reallity, they're far behind european standards, I flew inside USA with TWA and UNITED and both can't never, ever compare with european airlines, and please dont come to me with the good old story about Southwest! I flew from London to Boston with BA ( B. 747-200 RR G- BDXF ) and I had lunch with 2 choises ( salmon or veal ), wine, an aperitif, a digestif, an icecream bar, a light meal, a bag full of toys for my kids, headphones etc, etc, and this was in economy class.
From LAX to NYC with United ( B. 767-200 N601UA ) I got a.......blue box!!!
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
Absolutely! That's the rage of it too. Peanuts and Coke and dont expect a dammn thing more. The same mindset worked a few years ago in a certain US government administration that though"ketchup is a vegetable" for school lunch programs..so go figure. The culture that accepts this..is the one that promtes this "value". Cheap is what I call it.
The Ghost of Ebenezer Scrooge is alive and well in the boardrooms of US airlines (G). BAH...HUMBUG! (G)
The only US carrier that I would spend money on is Midwest Express. They are tops. No cr*p attitude either, nor this self-serving chorus of "We're the best" either. (G) MidEx does it's job and they do it -superbly-.
The rest of them in my view -STINK- with inflight amenties, Shoe size seating, the -Atrocious Holier than Thou- attitude, scams with their FF programs, games with the fare rules and so forth..Sheesh..they even demand a credit card to watch the inflight movies!...Good Grief!!
How "Skin Flint" can a carrier be!?
It really seems that "Cheapo is Fab" these days on the US carriers, but that's also a commonly popular method of thought in the US society. They like cheap..So they -get- cheap.
The overall service level drops to the -floor- and the result is nothing more than a flying -bus line-..not an air-line.
Wonder if people would get in trouble for bringing on a bag of McDonalds fast food..or Wendys..or heck even your own slices of pizza..
Follow this "logic" (G) Why..for the surly FA's will probably declare that as a piece of excess cabin baggage and force it to be checked in! (LOL!)..then if you argue about it..they'll have you kicked off the plane, calling you a terrorist! Then be arrested by Airport police! (LOL!)
Love that attitude! (LOL!)..."Keep 'em flying!" (LOL!)
United#52 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
The problem with most of you is that you don't compare airlines fairly. You say "I flew Lufthansa from FRA to ORD, and the service was outstanding, bla bla ba..." Then you say, "I flew United from ORD to DCA, and the service sucked." That is comparing LH's international service with United's domestic service. No duh United's domestic service will be inferior to LH's international service...it is international vs. domestic. Service levels differ depending on the route.
To CV990...that was probably before United has redone their meal service...now they serve entrees by Sheila Lukins on transcon flights (and Sam Choy to Hawaii, YUM!).
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3172 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1036 times:
I think, that just maybe, just maybe, the LONG route from SYDNEY-SFO is uniteds longest flight. A little over 14 hours in the sky. Well, I DID it last feb with my dad, as part of a business trip to the US. I have just had a good look at the UAL route map and I can't find a route longer. Therefore, it would be fare to compare service on this Long haul flight, to that of other long haul carriers. Domestic is really a shocker, but i was never talking about that. I maintain, that i was always talking about long haul. I have never unfarely compared ual domestic to Super Singapore Long haul (although you still get almost everything i mentioned in a short haul intra asian flight). The longest route 'should' have the most effort made on right? Well, it doesn't. I travel to europe at least 3 times every year. Since 1994, i have done it 16 times basically for business. Long haul really puts any airline to the test and brings out the best, -or- the very worst in them. I maintain everything i said earlier. International was little more than peanuts and coke too.
Richardshaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
Yess, I compared shorthaul to longhaul service, but the BA shorthaul Shuttle service is far superior to American or United's Longhaul service. I heard that Continental airlines were quite good. DDon't get me wrong, but I am not saying that US carriers are actually horrible, I do not mind them on shorthaul (3 hours max), but they do need to improve their 'steerage class' product.
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3172 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
Anybody who wishes to discuss this futher feel free to email me. ie-ual#52. Anyone is welcome. I know this is going to be very difficult for you to accept, but its one of life's little lessions. Maybe it is painful, maybe harsh, but it is fact. And its not only me saying it as some 'snobby' person, plently of americans have said exactly the same thing.
please email: email@example.com
Hey, i just thought about something. UAL isn't uniting the world in this forum - its deviding it! lol
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
No matter what you can say in favour of your favourite airline ( I presume that because you sign United#52 ) what we want to stress here is a diferent kind of business between american and the rest of the world airlines. It's true that american carriers have a diferent way of doing business, I understand that and most of us too, but you can't blame us of comparing! No way! If we had great experiences before with other airlines and when you come with that question, we must really say the truth, and you've seen many opinions about that, its not a " complot" against americans no! When I travelled with United I was with my wife ( she doens't know a thing about airlines and all that stuff! ) and she really noted a big diference between BA and United, but I also found other things that make some diferences, for example, schedules - United flights were ALWAYS ON TIME!!! Good, it was nice to see that, also the crew was nice, the fleet was nice, well maintained, so has you can see its not only bad things, but when we talk about food, well I'm sure they will improve!!!
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
This whole thing is amazing to watch as some kid tells me UAL's international service is "so great" when I've been traveling for -quite a while- now and when I hear the outlandish claims that UAL's International service is just so "yummy" I want to standup and laugh..scream..vomit! (LOL!)
It's really hysterical seeing this..
In my comparisons..NO US carrier exceeds Asian or European carriers that I've flown on..NONE..N.O.N.E...-None-..
Some still refuse to accept "the forest for being the trees"..and there still are believers of a "flat earth" too. (LOL!)
The people typing up these funny little ditties have probably -never- flown on any other carrier..
So with that caveat I just shake my head..turn away...snickering..that kind of thing (G). Let them enjoy their peanuts and coke and enjoy their "little fantasy" (G).
Last year is the -last time- I will ever fly on a US carrier over the Pacific or the Atlantic for that matter.....EVER!
After what I was introduced to on SIA and MAS..there's no going back..period.
I dont pay any money to be abused..none..nada.
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3172 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (14 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
Yeah, i know what you mean MAC - i burst out laughing - "G). Let them enjoy their peanuts and coke and enjoy their "little fantasy" (G). "
That was it! That was exactly it! i just laughed my head off. Well, as you and i know, when we enjoy our banquet in the sky, they're asking if they could please have another packet of peanuts because they're still hungry, and then, if they are lucky, the some FA will sneak one from the first class section. Did you notice UAL and others do not show pictures of their service on their web sites? Gee, i wonder why? Even things like the time tables are sooo much better. I have to agree with you - avoid US carriers at all cost. I bet SIA has more than 9% repeate customers. I bet their probably closer to 60% or 70%. In any case, it makes me laugh!