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AMS-SEA VV. On KLM?  
User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Wondering if any of KLM employees out there know anything about KLM beginning service to Seattle in the fall 2006. They are to replace Northwest Airlines on the route using A330?
Possible KLM will drop YVR in facour of SEA for summer 2007 sched?


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Interesting. This is the first I have heard of this. NW was flying DC10s between SEA and AMS for years and just recently switched to the A333 and then went to the A332 for the low season. Hopefully the reduction in capacity isn't a sign about the route not performing well but rather is a sign of the winter slowdown in international flights from SEA.


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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
Interesting. This is the first I have heard of this. NW was flying DC10s between SEA and AMS for years and just recently switched to the A333 and then went to the A332 for the low season. Hopefully the reduction in capacity isn't a sign about the route not performing well but rather is a sign of the winter slowdown in international flights from SEA.

Apparently it is loaded into the KLM res system for winter sched. Colleague noticed it in the system but sure if it is an error or Northwest flight with KLM code.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
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With NW being in financial fray, it sounds to be a logical move by KLM if they want to keep flying to the Pacific Northwest. I can't see why KLM couldn't serve both YVR and SEA. AS/QX will be able to feed traffic into KLM. Perhaps NW will have a codeshare with KLM. In other words, flip-flopping the metal.

What type aircraft is KLM planning to use on the SEA-AMS flights?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Didn't Martinair use to fly SEA-AMS ?

[Edited 2006-02-22 04:55:36]

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3047 times:
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Yes...in fact, MP used to fly AMS-OAK-SEA-AMS with DC-10-30's and 767-300's, before MP flew nonstop OAK-AMS with 747-200's and 767-300's. I don't think MP ever flew MD-11's into OAK.

User currently offline777D From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Perhaps KLM will the 777 on this route?

User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

I think I have to agree with Wedgetail737... Why should KLM drop YVR if it were to take over the SEA operation?
I do think SEA yields are higher and that lots of pax connect out of SEA to the northwest.
But KLM has quite an established marketshare out of YVR (and smaller communities there) into the Middel East, Afrca and Europe. Plus a large ammount of former Dutch immigrants living in Canada.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
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I tried pulling up SEA-AMS schedules for November 2006 and they still reflect NWA flights from on the route.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

why should they change from NW to KL?

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I do not belive KLM would pull out of YVR as I know the route is performing very well and without a lot of competition...



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2700 times:
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I wonder if KL will fly the SEA-AMS route if NW pilots go on strike, which is a possibility in the coming week.

User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

According to the NWA reservations system NWA is flying the route. I have done a check all the way up to 15 Jan of 2007. It is an NWA A330-200. NWA went to the A330-200 because of the range and that NRT is flown with a 332. So they can interchange them if they have too. In addition the NWA flight also has a KLM flight number. Maybe that is the confusion here?

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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 10):
wonder if KL will fly the SEA-AMS route if NW pilots go on strike

I doubt it, KL has major technical problems with their aircraft and they have difficulties operating their own (reduced winter-!!)schedule. Today, again, 2 intercontinental flights were cancelled due to technical issues with the planes, KL605 AMS-SFO (MD11) and KL579 AMS-ABV-KAN (B767).

In fact NW is currently operating KL657 AMS-EWR (as NW63) untill March, to make sure KL will get its fleet in order.

[Edited 2006-02-22 17:46:01]

User currently offlineJMO-777 From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 501 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Hi!

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 5):

... I don't think MP ever flew MD-11's into OAK.

That is not correct!
My father flew with a Martinair MD11 AMS-OAK in summer 1998!
And he returned with my sister a month later also in a MP MD11 (OAK-AMS).
I flew with my brother with a LH 744 FRA-SFO instead.

GreetZ,
Jan



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

NW33, KL6033; in other words a KLM codeshare on a Northwest A330-200.
(from www.eskyguide.com)


User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
November 2006


December 31, 2006: NW33, A332



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User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 438 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Is KLM still codesharring with Alaska Airlines?

User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Flyingfool,
Yup! There are some KL-coded AS flights in the systems ex-SEA.

Avianca,
Trust me, YVR is doing THAT well. Loads are good, but mostly leisure travel : lower yields.
KLM is giving it another try by upgrading to MD11 (another reason is 767s leaving the fleet and lack of 332s), so let's keep our fingers crossed.

SK601,
You guys must be sooooo busy rebooking all those (angry) stranded passengers!


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