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Proof That FF Miles And Carrier Loyalty Pay Off!  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4675 times:

FYI, before I get flamed, I feel compelled to gloat about the fact that Mr. and Mrs. 777fan just booked a HNL-AKL-SYD-HNL biz class ticket through the Star Alliance (go UA!) for a mere 90k miles each. Comparable ticket prices online stated that the tickets would have cost us upwards of $15,000!

WN, B6, and F9 can put that in their discount pipe and smoke it!

On a serious note, does anyone have any input on Air New Zealand and Air Canada 767 business class? Bring on the flaming!


Thanks!
777fan


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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4643 times:

Great, I hope you have a wonderful trip and enjoy the nice ride you are getting. Now think about how much you and/or your company paid in actual ticket costs to earn those miles.

I'll keep flying WN and earning my Rapid Rewards tickets every so often to fly to the places I want to fly to, based on trip segments, not mileage flown.



Jay


User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4605 times:

yea, whenever there's little to no difference in fare I go with skyteam airlines, using my miles for a trip to asia this summer for no difference like Jay mentioned above


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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4577 times:

Oh I agree, if you can get the same fare on a SkyTeam airline, I'd definately try to rack up the miles for a long-trip, no doubt.

But for short haul stuff, you can't beat getting tickets per segment on WN !!



Jay


User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4567 times:

Way to go. We just booked tickets on DL, SLC-CVG-FCO, MXP-JFK-SLC, Business Elite, for 90,000 points. I agree, WN, B6 etc could never do that!

Oh, and with my PM bonus, I earn about 8,000 +/- miles every trip to NY/NJ so it would take about 11 $350 tickets to earn enough for a $3500 Business Elite ticket (the price when we booked ours)... Not bad I should say. And that doesn't count the fact that I earn about 8-10k skymiles per month with my AMEX.

Also, when I fly about 3 round trips to NJ/NJ, at an average of $350 each, I earn a free domestic ticket. I'm not sure of Rapid Rewards, but I doubt you earn free tickets that fast. So earning based on miles makes a lot of sense for me!

Jay, have fun without free first class, without the opportunity to earn trips to anywhere in the world, without a club/lounge at the airport, without the ability to fly into real airports (JFK, EWR, LGA, etc) and so forth.

I guess for very few business travelers, WN and other low fare airlines could make sense, but I would say for 90% of the rest of us, there are much better options out there.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4554 times:
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Dont let him piss on your parade. Besides, thats inaccurate, miles are not dollar for dollar.

have you checked flyertalk about those carriers?

anyway, great score. how far ahead did you have to book?

highheels and I recently turned in 270 or 290 K(I forget) for AAdvantage First JFK-PPT-SYD; PER-SYD-PPT-JFK on TN and QF this July. It prices out for about $16800 each.

congrats. Air NZ is great. I know at least one anetter who just flew on them in F and loved it.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1):
Great, I hope you have a wonderful trip and enjoy the nice ride you are getting. Now think about how much you and/or your company paid in actual ticket costs to earn those miles.

FYI, I didn't even pay dollar for mile through UA - the bonus miles were racked up through our 125% mileage accural rate thanks in part to our Premier status. Add to that the 2 miles to $1 spent on gas and groceries (things that you'd buy anyway) with the Mileage Plus Platinum CC and you rack 'em up pretty quickly. Suffice to say, we paid for these tickets by flying UA from HNL to the mainland on three occasions (fares were the same as AA) and through buying things that we'd normally buy anyway. Thanks UA, we love ya!

FYI Mirrodie, we booked our tickets 9 months in advance (we're going in November) which just happens to be the beginning of the summer down under.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4481 times:
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yep, we book in October for July. Winter.


Our second time there in winter but their winters are extremely mild.

WN;s flying for segments works but not as this point in my life. I am still cruising the world.
I suppose once kids come into view, I'll be into flying WN again and will be more partial to remain stateside. But for now, this is our second freebie to Australia.  Big grin

also, no revving to LHR helps through AAuntie.

What equipment will be used in the NZ seg? 747?



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
On a serious note, does anyone have any input on Air New Zealand and Air Canada 767 business class?

I can't speak for AC but NZ's biz class is like VS. The service may be different but the seat is interesting. While the walls on the suite are kind of high they didn't bother me. What I didn't like was that the bed portion of the seat is very firm. Almost too much for me. The other problem I had was that when you were lying down the air circulation in the suite is pretty poor and you can get too warm. Other than those two problems the seat is comfy and roomy. You'll like it.

I'm with you on loyalty as well. I booked two tickets on VS using SkyMiles last February (only booked them in January) and got Upper Class for me and the little lady for 100K each.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 7):
What equipment will be used in the NZ seg? 747?

Unfortunately, each leg (HNL-AKL, AKL-SYD, SYD-HNL) are booked as 763s. Oh well, better luck next time! We'll take what we can get.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 9):
Unfortunately, each leg (HNL-AKL, AKL-SYD, SYD-HNL) are booked as 763s.

Well then throw out everything I said about the seats since those are only on the 747. Have fun anyways. Biz class across the Pacific is the only way to go. I survived NRT-GUM-HNL-IAH because of it on CO.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Congrats.

I am working torwards my 2nd free airline ticket on Southwest Airlines already and i will already be halfway thru to my 3rd free airline ticket too by the end of the summer. Only flew SWA 3 yrs and I already have nearly 3 free airline tickets used.

how many free tickets have u gotten so far with them?

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 4):
Jay, have fun without free first class, without the opportunity to earn trips to anywhere in the world, without a club/lounge at the airport, without the ability to fly into real airports (JFK, EWR, LGA, etc) and so forth.

Real Airports? Ok, I dont mind flying into LAX, FLL, SEA, LAS, PHX, STL, BNA...they are all "real" airports that Southwest Serves.

As for First Class, ur(meaning the orginal topic starter) in a different country so F/C there means something, here F/C is shit, so I'd rather not spend money to fly F/C or use miles to fly F/C.

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1):
I'll keep flying WN and earning my Rapid Rewards tickets every so often to fly to the places I want to fly to, based on trip segments, not mileage flown.

Agreed!

Alex



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8541 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
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Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 5):
I know at least one anetter who just flew on them in F and loved it.

NZ dont have F ...although some of their 744s still have the old F seats pending refit with the new J class suites

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
On a serious note, does anyone have any input on Air New Zealand and Air Canada 767 business class?

I can't speak for AC but NZ's biz class is like VS

sorry - the 767s have the old business class - a bit tired , but just about adequate for a relatively short sector ( 9 hr 10 min ) like HNL-AKL - still beats the hell out of zoo class



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Don't hold your breath - AC Business class on a 767 is not that great. It will be once they install the new seats and IFE's. I believe they're going with 777 interiors, but for now - it's merely subpar. But if you're lucky, you'll at least get friendly flight attendants

Oh and be sure to do a trip report after this. I'm sure we all want details and lots of pics!

[Edited 2006-02-23 18:50:02]

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 4):
Jay, have fun without free first class, without the opportunity to earn trips to anywhere in the world, without a club/lounge at the airport, without the ability to fly into real airports (JFK, EWR, LGA, etc) and so forth.

I'd submit to you that your first class isn't really 'free'...in fact, I believe there is some cost involved. Isn't Delta in bankruptcy?

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 4):
I guess for very few business travelers, WN and other low fare airlines could make sense, but I would say for 90% of the rest of us, there are much better options out there.

And with those 90% taking those better options and avialing themselves of those "free" first class seats might explain how 4 of the big 6 US carriers are or have been in bankruptcy.


User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Congrats 777fan. Through a combination of Swiss miles and BA miles, we're managing to book two long haul Club World flights per year and about 3 other short hauls per year.

Although I always feel slightly guilty boaring business with miles tickets - I feel as if the FA think "oh god, another one who hasn't paid" Big grin

Enjoy your trip!


User currently offlinePtcflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Great scores for me with Delta... include: Two 160 K rewards for the Air France Concorde. -- $10,000 tickets each. Works out to around 6.5 cents per mile in equivalent value. Since I would have never ponied up that much money to fly the Concorde... and since the Concorde is no longer operational, I argue that those miles were Priceless. Definitely could not have pulled that off with a LCC.

The other really good award is: Two 160 K rewards for First class on Emirates Airlines on the A340-500 JFK - DXB route. Again, tickets were North of $10K each. Private suite with closing doors... 19 inch monitor with 500 channels of interactive on-demand movies and music, all you can eat fine dining.... Definitely a once in a life-time experience.

Not to mention operational upgrades... several 90K rewards in BF...Three Business Class Tickets on Malaysia Airlines from U.S. to South Africa via KL, etc. etc. etc. I have redeemed over 2 million miles in the past 15 years ... with travel value in excess of $100,000. And... all of this is income tax free! The value of that free travel has definitely WELL exceeded the price paid for tickets! Loyalty with an understanding of how the system works has paid off exponentially.

But given the financial state of the legacy airlines... how long can it keep up?


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Last summer I did:

JFK-MIA-SDQ-MAD-LIS-MAD-TXL-HEL-CPH, TLV-LHR-GRU-GIG-GRU-SCL-EZE-MVD-EZE-JFK-LIM in J on AA, AY, IB, BA, and LA for 130,000 miles. 'Iz all good.


User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 5):
Dont let him piss on your parade. Besides, thats inaccurate, miles are not dollar for dollar.

I could be missing your point Mirrodie, but Miles are ultimately as good as money!

A case in point - BA LHR-SFO, Club Class = £2,600, WTP = £890. Yes, Using miles to upgrade to Club from WTP costs the same, plus 25,000 miles.

Although it's not a simple calculation, the way I look at it - travelling a few times with BA, and I SAVED over £1,700. now that's what I call reward for loyalty! And it's my second redeption of th same kind in 6 months, so in that time, I've actually saved over £2,900 on 2 trips!



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3700 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting TCXDegsy (Reply 18):
I've actually saved over £2,900 on 2 trips!

Well not exactly. If you were looking to book Club World anyway you'd have saved £2900...if you weren't then you've got £2900 worth of ticket for nothing  Wink

FF miles are great. A couple of weeks ago I flew IAD-LHR-CPT-LHR-IAD with my girlfriend with all but one ticket booked on FF miles (see trip report forum for a write up  Wink). The transatlantics were on UA in C with the CPT legs in BA F, the BA tickets would have cost £6900 a piece and the UA ticket I got for nothing was worth £1700.

I certainly felt I got a good deal on those tickets...



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
how many free tickets have u gotten so far with them?

I'm sure SA)">WN's Rapid Rewards works for those that need to fly shorter routes on a frequent basis, but...

In addition to the aforemention itinerary, my wife and I have each redeemed two HNL-US Mainland tickets in the past year. I suppose you could say we "benefit" from having to travel longhaul each time we decide to leave the islands; the shortest flight to the US Mainland (SFO or LAX) is about 2350 miles, meaning that (including our SA)">UA MP Premier mileage bonus of 25% for each flight) we rack up a minimum of about 6000 miles each time we head to the West Coast, or about 10000 miles if we fly all the way to ORD or BWI, the two destinations we frequent the most.

Provided we plan ahead, we're usually able to buy these tickets for about $675-$800 R/T meaning that the dollar to mile ratio tilts decidely in our favor (about 12.5 miles per $ spent). Tack on miscellaneous bonuses for using our Chase Bank SA)">UA MP credit card, ($1 = 1 mile on all purchases, $1 = 2 miles for gas, groceries, etc., $1 = 3-10 miles on certain restaurants, Mileage Plus Online Shopping Mall) and you can see how easy it is to pile up miles toward free tickets. We fly about 20-30K miles a year on SA)">UA (and SA partners) but rack up an additional 10-15K miles a year on bonuses for purchases on items that we would have bought anyway, meaning that indeed, we're getting something for nothing.

Mrs. 777fan and I have found that the key to getting the most bang for your buck when redeeming miles is being flexible with your dates (start shopping about 4-8 months ahead of time) and taking advantage of low fares on longhaul flights when at all possible. For example, don't blow 25K miles on a SFO-MIA flight when you might be able to just buy the ticket for $400 R/T anyway! Also, if possible, redeem miles on the "saver" dates even if it means altering your travel plans by a day or two; our HNL-US Mainland flights run 35K miles on "saver" status, but would cost 60K miles on the "standard" dates.

Bottom line with SA)">UA and Mileage Plus: shoot for Premier status (25K miles flown in one year); once you get it, it's easy to maintain the status. Consider getting the Chase MP credit card (regular level costs $75/year, platinum status costs $145/year but gets more miles per $, a 5000 mile/year bonus just for having it, and a free companion ticket each year) and, finally, be patient to ensure you get the most of your rewards.

Hope this helps someone...



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 20):
I'm sure SA)">WN's Rapid Rewards works for those that need to fly shorter routes on a frequent basis, but...

Actually I earned most of my Rapid rewards on long haul flights (long for SWA-defind as 2 hrs or more schedule flights)
STL-PHX, to LAX, to FLL, to BWI, to MCO. All long haul flights for SWA out of STL. I did fly occasional short hauls to MCI and MDW, yes. But the majority of my Rapid reward Points came from Long Haul flights.

I as a college student get 4 pts per r/t on Southwest. So I just fly 4 times and I have a free ticket, period. Regardless where I fly to.

Alex

[Edited 2006-02-26 21:44:38]


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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting DavidT (Reply 15):
Although I always feel slightly guilty boaring business with miles tickets - I feel as if the FA think "oh god, another one who hasn't paid"

I never feel guilty doing this - flew JFK-LAX-SYD and back a couple of years ago in bus. class. Zero guilt!  Silly

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 4):
have fun without free first class, without the opportunity to earn trips to anywhere in the world, without a club/lounge at the airport, without the ability to fly into real airports (JFK, EWR, LGA, etc) and so forth.

I don't quite understand why some folks have the need to take shots at the discounters at times like this. It's sort of like saying "well, I got a new Armani suit at Macy's for 20% off...take THAT, Target and Wal-Mart!" They're different animals, even if there is some overlap.

There's no fracking law that says you have to fly only discounters or only network carriers...I have a free flight credit on JetBlue AND 135k miles on American right now, which I'll eventually put towards (guilt-free!) business-class travel to Australia.

And JetBlue does fly to real airports, including all three you mentioned. (Yes, THAT was a shot at WN.  eyebrow  Sorry, couldn't resist...


User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 19):
Well not exactly. If you were looking to book Club World anyway you'd have saved £2900...if you weren't then you've got £2900 worth of ticket for nothing

On the contarary, I'm only paying £890 for a cabin and service that should cost £2600.. by my reckoning, that's a £1700 saving in monetary terms



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8187 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

I've flown mostly long haul for the past 10 years and have benefitted significantly from the oneworld loyalty program. Miles are important, but so is that special phone number when you need help:

When my daughter went into labor an hour's drive north of DEN and we were in TUL that phone number (and miles) got my wife and I on the next flight out.

When my wife learned late one night that her mother was dying in PER that phone number had her on the first flight out the next morning on a TUL-DFW-LAX-HKG-PER flight. The trip was set up while my wife was talking to her brother in PER.

I've done multiple trips to Australia in Business and my wife (and her family) have also benefitted. My wife goes to Scotland for a school reunion late in April and I have a RTW Business trip getting scheduled over the next week or two.

In addition I have 90+ "sticker upgrades" at AA that I can use to upgrade domestically, regardless of the fare paid.

Since I'm a one man company I look long and hard at the costs and benefits and am a strong believer that it's worth being loyal to an alliance. It's certainly paid off for us.


25 Fbgdavidson : Oops, got my figures wrong.... My reckoning is if you were going to spend £2600 on Club World in the first place, then found you could go WT+ and up
26 TCXDegsy : Thanks, and I understand where you're coming from. However your making many assuumptions that I wouldn't have paid full price for Club. Remember what
27 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : Exactly Glad we understand each other. And as you say if you were going to pay £2600 in the first place it is a saving. ________
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