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NWA And Pilot Union Agree On Sticking Points  
User currently offlineRaes From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

You heard it here first.

Posted on Thu, Feb. 23, 2006
Northwest chief: Progress made with pilots on sticking points
Associated Press

MINNEAPOLIS - Northwest Airlines Corp. and its pilots have agreed to a framework that would allow the airline to increase regional jet flying and save pilots' jobs, though pay issues remain unresolved, according to a published report.

Chief executive Doug Steenland told the Star Tribune for a story published Thursday that the deal "addresses the pilots' concerns over jobs, outsourcing and making sure that the replacement aircraft for the DC-9 gets flown (by Northwest pilots), and that represents significant progress."

The "lions share" of job-protection issues have been resolved, including saving pilot jobs in the event of a merger, the sale of part of Northwest's business or code-sharing arrangements with other airlines, he said.

Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest is Michigan's leading passenger air carrier and handles a majority of travelers at its Detroit Metropolitan Airport hub.

Northwest and the Air Line Pilots Association have been negotiating since early January and the pilots are taking a strike authorization vote that concludes Tuesday.

If the pilots and flight attendants fail to reach agreements with Northwest by Friday, a bankruptcy judge could void their existing labor contracts and allow the airline to impose new pay rates and work rules. U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Allan Gropper also could give the parties a second extension to conclude their talks.

Northwest intends to replace its DC-9s, which are more than 30 years old, with Bombardier or Embraer regional jets. The company wanted to shift those regional jets to a new subsidiary, but the pilots have said there will be no deal if pilot jobs are outsourced.

"This regional jet flying issue is so crucial to our careers that any negotiated agreement that would lose any of that flying would be a significant setback for our pilots," said Wade Blaufuss, a spokesman for the union's Northwest branch.

Steenland pledged to continue working with Duane Woerth, president of the parent union, to win congressional approval of a bill that would give Northwest more time to make contributions to its underfunded pension plans.

The pilots previously agreed to freeze their pension plan at current benefit levels. They are in negotiations with Northwest concerning the company's contributions to 401(k)-style plans for future retirement benefits.

The pension changes are among several concessions the pilots have accepted. In 2004, the pilots agreed to a 15 percent pay cut. Since mid-November, an additional interim pay cut of about 24 percent has been in effect.

Now, Northwest wants $358 million in annual concessions in a long-term contract.

Steenland acknowledged "there are still significant open issues that we have to address," including bridging the gap between the two sides on the total concessions. "We remain hopeful that we'll be able to reach agreement," he said.

Blaufuss said the pilots also want a negotiated deal, an outcome he stressed depends largely on the airline's management. "If Northwest does not back off from the remaining open issues, then they can expect us to do what's necessary to defend our careers," he said.

Meanwhile, negotiators for the Professional Flight Attendants Association are "slowly" moving toward an agreement with management, but the union remains at odds with Northwest over the hiring of foreign workers, said Andy Damis, the attendants union's secretary-treasurer.

The union also is still bargaining on job protection issues.

ON THE NET

Northwest Airlines Corp.: http://www.nwa.com

[Edited 2006-02-23 09:39:24]


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

From www.nwaalpa.org

"NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE (2/22/06)
The MEC Negotiating Committee continues to meet with NWA management. There has been progress, but we are still far apart on some key issues. We will continue to meet daily with management in an effort to reach an agreement. Please read yesterday’s Across the Table for a more detailed negotiations update."

NWA management has a long history of trying to negotiate via the press. So, while Steenland says they have resolved "sticking points", I guess ALPA doesn't quite agree.


User currently offlineRaes From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

That's exactly the same "NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE" that was posted the evening of 2/21. I'm inclined to think that ALPA recycles those blurbs, and sends the detailed information about negotiations directly to the pilots.

I'm impressed that they have apparently come so far with the regional jet flying issue.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Quoting Raes (Thread starter):
Northwest Airlines Corp. and its pilots have agreed to a framework that would allow the airline to increase regional jet flying and save pilots' jobs

Does this mean NewCo is dead?

Quoting Raes (Thread starter):
The "lions share" of job-protection issues have been resolved, including saving pilot jobs in the event of a merger, the sale of part of Northwest's business or code-sharing arrangements with other airlines, he said.

And what does this mean? Merger with who? What part of Northwest's business would they sell? Which code-sharing arrangements?

Northwest can't sell much. All they have are international routes, cargo, aircraft, KLM, Skyteam and gates right? If they sold one, they would be dead.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineRaes From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

More:

"Northwest (Pink Sheets: NWACQ) had proposed establishing a subsidiary to fly 70 to 100-seat planes, replacing its fleet of aging DC-9s, or contracting with a third party to do so. The framework for the new deal would apparently assure Northwest pilots that they would fly the planes replacing DC-9s."

This is just the most recent AP reporting. I don't know what the implications for NewCo are. Would they create a subsidiary staffed by NWA pilots?



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

NWA Head Reports Progress With Pilots

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_054083923.html

Video Report:

http://www.wcco.com/video/?id=14825@wcco.dayport.com


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

If they went with a subsidiary that using mainline pilots wouldn't that be like TED or Song but competing with Allegiant and Southwest (in certain areas)?


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 3):

Northwest can't sell much. All they have are international routes, cargo, aircraft, KLM, Skyteam and gates right? If they sold one, they would be dead.

Northwest owns a lot more then your saying, IE HMS hosts stuff, other convienience places, Grand Forks Airport (Terminal) is owned by NW, which I think they wholly own a few other, NATCO, Northwest Met. etc. The list goes on....



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

In a perfect World NWA would go back to its routes at DTW, MSP, and SEA. Drop the fluff they added with MEM. Get there hands back into what made them money in the first place... ASIA! Dropping the long haul nonstops to Peking, Hong Kong, Seoul, Osaka, and Sydney sent the business to UA.

There are a lot of people that say... but.. but.. but... in regards to Memphis. When NWA chewed up Republic they began to focus less and less on International and more and more on the crappy domestic nickel and dome flying. Northwest Orient was a great operation, sadly it was pissed away, and all that remains are a few token routes.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
In a perfect World NWA would go back to its routes at DTW, MSP, and SEA. Drop the fluff they added with MEM. Get there hands back into what made them money in the first place... ASIA! Dropping the long haul nonstops to Peking, Hong Kong, Seoul, Osaka, and Sydney sent the business to UA.

Exactly. Though Osaka still is there from DTW, it would be nice to have it from MSP. Sydney was a touchy one. I remember something about them getting pushed out by the Oz government.

They should drop MEM and focus on SEA, DTW and MSP, start leapfrogging Japan and set the bar to not just compete with U.S. carriers but with the Asian ones.

NW needed the 787 years ago or should have gone with a 777 for longer haul non-stop flights with less seating.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Yeah, I used to know lots of people from HK who fly NW to the US, but not anymore. Nobody's willing to do two hops to get to where they want to go from HK to the US.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23010 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
They should drop MEM and focus on SEA, DTW and MSP, start leapfrogging Japan and set the bar to not just compete with U.S. carriers but with the Asian ones.

Why should NW drop MEM? It seems to be assumed that MEM is somehow bad...



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

I was pretty sure this was the way it was gto unfold. I don't see them operating another subsidiary, but I see the E190 being operated by mainline pilots...aka US Airways.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Grand Forks Airport (Terminal) is owned by NW

Other airlines are chomping at the bit to serve the less than 60 thousand people of GFK and surrounding villages. NWA would be lucky to get enough money from that terminal to fly one of its planes back to MSP.  Yeah sure

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
NWA management has a long history of trying to negotiate via the press. So, while Steenland says they have resolved "sticking points", I guess ALPA doesn't quite agree.

What a great way to boost consumer confidence so they will book your airline during tough times. Doug can be taking any half truths to the bank and not lose a wink of sleep over it. These negotiations (as with everything else) prove that there are two sides to every story.


User currently offlineAirlineAV8tr From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 191 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting Raes (Thread starter):
This regional jet flying issue is so crucial to our careers that any negotiated agreement that would lose any of that flying would be a significant setback for our pilots," said Wade Blaufuss, a spokesman for the union's Northwest branch.

I would be very interested on the pay scale for flying RJ's. Will they follow the industry standard and pay the peanuts, or will they pay them their DC-9 rates (doubtful). It would be a HUGE boost in leverage for RJ drivers in other airlines that are getting only $16 an hour in some cases. The DC-9 capacity wise, is an RJ, NWA's payrate I hope will send a message to regional airlines everywhere. DC-9 pay for a fairly Jr. FO (6-7 years) is at $75, while a 6th year pilot (70 seat driver) at another airline makes about $38!



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