ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5217 times:
Yet another pressurization problem with AS . . . two in as many days according to the article.
Things that make you go .
So, with 110 aircraft in the fleet, and two incidents in two days, four in two months, what's that make the odds? I understand pressurization problems occur occasionally, but I think AS has had it's share.
Excerpts from the quoted source:
An Alaska Airlines flight en route to Seattle landed at Los Angeles International Airport a few minutes after takeoff because of cabin pressure problems, an airline official said
It was the second Alaska flight in as many days to fail to reach its destination because of pressurization problems.
Flight 397 left Ontario International at 6:37 a.m. The MD-80 landed at Los Angeles International,
Alaska Airlines has had three additional similar problems in the last two months.
Qxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5170 times:
I believe that there is some union sabatoge going on here. How can and airline operate 100,000 of flights with no problems then in a short while have so many? Either the mechanics are incompetent,OR someone is trying to give AS a bad rap. I for one believe in the second,I do not believe for one second that the Mechanics are missing all these problems. My opion is that there has got to be some Piloits are engaging in a work slow down. I think that they are still mad about there contract and about the whole SEA ramp situation.
Pgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5105 times:
Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 1): How can and airline operate 100,000 of flights with no problems then in a short while have so many? Either the mechanics are incompetent,OR someone is trying to give AS a bad rap. I for one believe in the second,I do not believe for one second that the Mechanics are missing all these problems. My opion is that there has got to be some Piloits are engaging in a work slow down. I think that they are still mad about there contract and about the whole SEA ramp situation.
I think there's a good chance it's just increased scrutiny from the media. These types of problems do happen, but in the past they wouldn't get picked up. Now that there's the human story of Menzies taking over ramp operations in SEA, the media wants to pick up on everything. Not sure if the frequency of these incidents is normal or not, but I guarantee you they had at least some problems like this before the media attention.
And it doesn't seem like it would be a pilot slowdown. I can't ever imagine a pilot would cause depressurization to get back at the company. Delaying a flight on the ground is one thing, but this is outrageous.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5040 times:
Anyone have stats on other similiarly sized airline fleets with pressurization problems?
I realize this happens . . . as 1011 has said . . . but two in two days, four in 45 days? I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist by any stretch, however . . . media hype notwithstanding, AS does seem to be having a bout with their pressurization . . .
Unless you're aboard the aircraft. Seemed to be a big deal when the MD80 with the crease in the side had it's problems . . . . video footage inside the aircraft didn't exactly project a relaxed and complacent atmosphere.
Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 2): Delaying a flight on the ground is one thing, but this is outrageous.
Agreed . . . I can't imagine any pilot doing this purposely . . . even if he/she were mad as hell at the company, this involved putting their own ass on the line as well as the pax and aircraft . . . not going to happen.
HikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
In another thread, someone inaccurately posted that the
oxygen masks dropped. This was not the case.
Simply a matter of 1 of the air conditioning packs having a problem.
Although there have been more events than normal in the past week,
they are magnified because the local Seattle media loves AS bashing.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4937 times:
So basically AS has degenerated into an airline where you will get on to the plane at least 90 minutes late, and once you're on, there is a better than average chance that you'll have the pleasure of quickly returning to the ground due to depressurization issues.
Yes these things are blown out of proportion by the media, but they seem to be happening all too much lately. AS certainly isn't doing much to help their rapid decline in reputation.
WeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4888 times:
Obviously... Alaska is taking this very seriously. See article below. Something does seem to be "odd" about all of these occurrences.
Alaska begins fleet-wide pressurization system inspections.
Checks initiated as additional precaution following recent pressurization-related incidents
February 22, 2006
Alaska Airlines Maintenance and Engineering began a comprehensive, fleet-wide inspection of aircraft pressurization systems today as an additional precaution following a number of recent pressurization-related incidents.
Initial investigations conducted by Maintenance and Engineering, in conjunction with Alaska’s Safety Division, have found no connection between the incidents, except that they all do involve pressurization issues. Nevertheless, the fleet-wide inspections underway will provide an additional safeguard. These checks are above and beyond the regularly scheduled maintenance checks of the pressurization systems on Alaska’s aircraft.
"It is important for us to further satisfy ourselves and the flying public that we have no systemic issues and that we are taking all appropriate steps to prevent a recurrence of these incidents," said Kevin Finan, Alaska’s executive vice president of operations.
Finan noted that when these incidents occur, Alaska’s Safety Division investigates each incident to determine the cause. This involves everything from a complete maintenance inspection of the aircraft to interviews with the crew, depending on the nature of the incident. Following this thorough review, Safety brings forward their findings and any further recommendations to prevent a recurrence.
"Based on the completion of the additional inspections, we may take additional actions," Finan said.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4768 times:
Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 10): The real question is this: does anyone have the data on pressurization incidents for other carriers? (specifically the number of incidents per total number of cycles for the carrier)
Previously asked and unanswered . . .
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6): Anyone have stats on other similiarly sized airline fleets with pressurization problems?
Goes without saying I trust AS . . . however, I don't want to hop on my ANC-LAS flight in a month and have to rtn to ANC because we can't pressurize . . . I will not be one of the widgets freaking out when the masks pop down . . . been there before . . . but I will be concerned about continuing to LAS (and the return). My g/f, well that's a different story . . .
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6374 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4768 times:
OK, I have not looked into this mornings incident. But if this was a pack issue as the PDX flight, its just media crap. Media and poublic don't understand airplanes, period.
The A/C has to return our divert if the pack goes out. In the PDX-DEN flight, if a pack is out, they are required to fly at 25,000 feet to DEN. More fuel burn and a different flight plan due to the terrain. Same goes if this mornings ONT-SEA flight was the same. Specially with MD80s. The terrain between ONT and SEA is high. If they have to fly without a pack the route of flight takes them direct Cresent City area in NW California. They clearly would not have enought fuel for this.
Those of you so cynical of Alaska knwo AS is a safe airline. Now I may come off defensive, but hey, its my airline and you would all do the same.
I'll look a little more into 934 when I go to work.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4722 times:
Quoting AS739X (Reply 14): I'll look a little more into 934 when I go to work.
Believe me when I tell you, I have the utmost respect for AS and it's flight deck crews, being a life long Alaskan, I've seen those guys perform miracles on approaches . . . and landings . . . always safe . . . so I mean no affront to AS or it's crews (air or ground).
But one has to wonder - new media hype notwithstanding - so many depressurizations.
I invite any info you have . . . . the 'real deal' not the Channel 2 News or CNN info . . .
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3538 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4698 times:
Quoting Cyclonic (Reply 3): Why am I not surprised?? This is AS after all. Looks like they have slipped back to their bad old cost cutting ways.
I hate to say it, but i'm dreading hearing a AS plane having a fatal incident..
Typical AS fatalism on a.net, I'm surprised you're the only one in fifteen replies so far.
Chugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4598 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8): Apparently so does the local ANC media . . . it was all over up here last night and this morning . . .
Seems to me, though, that the Anchorage media isn't nearly as harsh as the Seattle media is about the airline. Seattle's media is downright venemous.
I have always felt far more comfortable flying AS then most other airlines simply because I know how outstanding their crews are. Although I will admit that the Menzies mess in SEA has inspired me to carry on my luggage more than I used to
Well, in light of this news, count me among those who are starting to wonder. That must be a fresh news story, too; adn.com and ktva.com haven't picked it up yet. If some scumbag actually is trying to sabotage aircraft, I hope he/she gets what they deserve.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4471 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18): TWO more aircraft, both AS737s returned to ANC today for pressurization problems . . .
Are one of the lastest two Alaska # 65? A local radio station is reporting AS # 65 JNU-ANC depressurized shortly after take off from JNU this afternoon (Thursday) It flew to ANC at about 12,000 feet.
One of the pax interveiwed said it was scary, flying close to some of the mountain tops. She went on too say the flight deck kept them imformed for the duration of the flight. Normal flying time between JNU-ANC is about a one hour and twenty five minutes. Kudo's to the flight deck.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.