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AS Returns To LAX From ONT, Pressurization  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Yet another pressurization problem with AS . . . two in as many days according to the article.

Things that make you go   .

So, with 110 aircraft in the fleet, and two incidents in two days, four in two months, what's that make the odds? I understand pressurization problems occur occasionally, but I think AS has had it's share.

Excerpts from the quoted source:

An Alaska Airlines flight en route to Seattle landed at Los Angeles International Airport a few minutes after takeoff because of cabin pressure problems, an airline official said

It was the second Alaska flight in as many days to fail to reach its destination because of pressurization problems.

Flight 397 left Ontario International at 6:37 a.m. The MD-80 landed at Los Angeles International,

Alaska Airlines has had three additional similar problems in the last two months.


http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...6-02-23-alaska-emergency-lax_x.htm

[Edited 2006-02-23 15:06:23]

[Edited 2006-02-23 15:07:18]

36 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineQxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

I believe that there is some union sabatoge going on here. How can and airline operate 100,000 of flights with no problems then in a short while have so many? Either the mechanics are incompetent,OR someone is trying to give AS a bad rap. I for one believe in the second,I do not believe for one second that the Mechanics are missing all these problems. My opion is that there has got to be some Piloits are engaging in a work slow down. I think that they are still mad about there contract and about the whole SEA ramp situation.


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User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 1):
How can and airline operate 100,000 of flights with no problems then in a short while have so many? Either the mechanics are incompetent,OR someone is trying to give AS a bad rap. I for one believe in the second,I do not believe for one second that the Mechanics are missing all these problems. My opion is that there has got to be some Piloits are engaging in a work slow down. I think that they are still mad about there contract and about the whole SEA ramp situation.

I think there's a good chance it's just increased scrutiny from the media. These types of problems do happen, but in the past they wouldn't get picked up. Now that there's the human story of Menzies taking over ramp operations in SEA, the media wants to pick up on everything. Not sure if the frequency of these incidents is normal or not, but I guarantee you they had at least some problems like this before the media attention.

And it doesn't seem like it would be a pilot slowdown. I can't ever imagine a pilot would cause depressurization to get back at the company. Delaying a flight on the ground is one thing, but this is outrageous.


User currently offlineCyclonic From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 231 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Why am I not surprised?? This is AS after all. Looks like they have slipped back to their bad old cost cutting ways.
I hate to say it, but i'm dreading hearing a AS plane having a fatal incident..



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User currently offlineMbg From Turkey, joined Nov 2005, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Hi,

Wasn't one of the pressurerization related divertions due to a catering truck slamming into the plane and the workers going hush-hush about it?

Cheers,

mbg


User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

This happens a lot on all airlines. No big deal. The A/C was N943AS

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Anyone have stats on other similiarly sized airline fleets with pressurization problems?

I realize this happens . . . as 1011 has said . . . but two in two days, four in 45 days? I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist by any stretch, however . . . media hype notwithstanding, AS does seem to be having a bout with their pressurization . . .

Quoting 1011 (Reply 5):
No big deal.

Unless you're aboard the aircraft. Seemed to be a big deal when the MD80 with the crease in the side had it's problems . . . . video footage inside the aircraft didn't exactly project a relaxed and complacent atmosphere.

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 2):
Delaying a flight on the ground is one thing, but this is outrageous.

Agreed . . . I can't imagine any pilot doing this purposely . . . even if he/she were mad as hell at the company, this involved putting their own ass on the line as well as the pax and aircraft . . . not going to happen.


User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

FYI:
In another thread, someone inaccurately posted that the
oxygen masks dropped. This was not the case.
Simply a matter of 1 of the air conditioning packs having a problem.
Although there have been more events than normal in the past week,
they are magnified because the local Seattle media loves AS bashing.



First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 7):
Although there have been more events than normal in the past week,
they are magnified because the local Seattle media loves AS bashing.

Apparently so does the local ANC media . . . it was all over up here last night and this morning . . .


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

So basically AS has degenerated into an airline where you will get on to the plane at least 90 minutes late, and once you're on, there is a better than average chance that you'll have the pleasure of quickly returning to the ground due to depressurization issues.

Yes these things are blown out of proportion by the media, but they seem to be happening all too much lately. AS certainly isn't doing much to help their rapid decline in reputation.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4275 times:
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The real question is this: does anyone have the data on pressurization incidents for other carriers? (specifically the number of incidents per total number of cycles for the carrier)

Media reporting or not, comparing these will answer the question at hand.


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Obviously... Alaska is taking this very seriously. See article below. Something does seem to be "odd" about all of these occurrences.

Alaska begins fleet-wide pressurization system inspections.


Checks initiated as additional precaution following recent pressurization-related incidents


February 22, 2006

Alaska Airlines Maintenance and Engineering began a comprehensive, fleet-wide inspection of aircraft pressurization systems today as an additional precaution following a number of recent pressurization-related incidents.

Initial investigations conducted by Maintenance and Engineering, in conjunction with Alaska’s Safety Division, have found no connection between the incidents, except that they all do involve pressurization issues. Nevertheless, the fleet-wide inspections underway will provide an additional safeguard. These checks are above and beyond the regularly scheduled maintenance checks of the pressurization systems on Alaska’s aircraft.

"It is important for us to further satisfy ourselves and the flying public that we have no systemic issues and that we are taking all appropriate steps to prevent a recurrence of these incidents," said Kevin Finan, Alaska’s executive vice president of operations.

Finan noted that when these incidents occur, Alaska’s Safety Division investigates each incident to determine the cause. This involves everything from a complete maintenance inspection of the aircraft to interviews with the crew, depending on the nature of the incident. Following this thorough review, Safety brings forward their findings and any further recommendations to prevent a recurrence.

"Based on the completion of the additional inspections, we may take additional actions," Finan said.


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Happens a lot more than the media reports...  yawn 

Anyone have pics of the Cessna 150 the B6 fleet agent ran into in LGB about 3 weeks ago? Practically tore a parked aircraft in half....why wasn't that in the news?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 10):
The real question is this: does anyone have the data on pressurization incidents for other carriers? (specifically the number of incidents per total number of cycles for the carrier)

Previously asked and unanswered . . .

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Anyone have stats on other similiarly sized airline fleets with pressurization problems?

Goes without saying I trust AS . . . however, I don't want to hop on my ANC-LAS flight in a month and have to rtn to ANC because we can't pressurize . . . I will not be one of the widgets freaking out when the masks pop down . . . been there before . . . but I will be concerned about continuing to LAS (and the return). My g/f, well that's a different story . . .


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

OK, I have not looked into this mornings incident. But if this was a pack issue as the PDX flight, its just media crap. Media and poublic don't understand airplanes, period.

The A/C has to return our divert if the pack goes out. In the PDX-DEN flight, if a pack is out, they are required to fly at 25,000 feet to DEN. More fuel burn and a different flight plan due to the terrain. Same goes if this mornings ONT-SEA flight was the same. Specially with MD80s. The terrain between ONT and SEA is high. If they have to fly without a pack the route of flight takes them direct Cresent City area in NW California. They clearly would not have enought fuel for this.

Those of you so cynical of Alaska knwo AS is a safe airline. Now I may come off defensive, but hey, its my airline and you would all do the same.

I'll look a little more into 934 when I go to work.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4080 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
I'll look a little more into 934 when I go to work.

Believe me when I tell you, I have the utmost respect for AS and it's flight deck crews, being a life long Alaskan, I've seen those guys perform miracles on approaches . . . and landings . . . always safe . . . so I mean no affront to AS or it's crews (air or ground).

But one has to wonder - new media hype notwithstanding - so many depressurizations.

I invite any info you have . . . . the 'real deal' not the Channel 2 News or CNN info . . .

Thanks.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4056 times:

Quoting Cyclonic (Reply 3):
Why am I not surprised?? This is AS after all. Looks like they have slipped back to their bad old cost cutting ways.
I hate to say it, but i'm dreading hearing a AS plane having a fatal incident..

Typical AS fatalism on a.net, I'm surprised you're the only one in fifteen replies so far.



Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Apparently so does the local ANC media . . . it was all over up here last night and this morning . . .

Seems to me, though, that the Anchorage media isn't nearly as harsh as the Seattle media is about the airline. Seattle's media is downright venemous.

I have always felt far more comfortable flying AS then most other airlines simply because I know how outstanding their crews are. Although I will admit that the Menzies mess in SEA has inspired me to carry on my luggage more than I used to Big grin



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

TWO more aircraft, both AS737s returned to ANC today for pressurization problems . . .

Now what? Are we seeing paranoid pilots?? Are we seeing a real effort by some covert force to disrupt AS?

Regardless, this is now 6 aircraft in 45 days, 4 aircraft in 48 hours? I'm sorry, but those odds are not adding up!


http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmviewer.asp?a=3703&z=1


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
I'm sorry, but those odds are not adding up!

Well, in light of this news, count me among those who are starting to wonder. That must be a fresh news story, too; adn.com and ktva.com haven't picked it up yet. If some scumbag actually is trying to sabotage aircraft, I hope he/she gets what they deserve.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
. That must be a fresh news story, too; adn.com and ktva.com haven't picked it up yet.

According to the Channel 2 NBC Broadcast at 6pm this evening . . . and the FAA is now investigating . . . .


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 17):
Seems to me, though, that the Anchorage media isn't nearly as harsh as the Seattle media is about the airline. Seattle's media is downright venemous.

The Seattle media gets a big chubby from trying to scare people. You get used to it.



Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
TWO more aircraft, both AS737s returned to ANC today for pressurization problems . . .

Are one of the lastest two Alaska # 65? A local radio station is reporting AS # 65 JNU-ANC depressurized shortly after take off from JNU this afternoon (Thursday) It flew to ANC at about 12,000 feet.

One of the pax interveiwed said it was scary, flying close to some of the mountain tops. She went on too say the flight deck kept them imformed for the duration of the flight. Normal flying time between JNU-ANC is about a one hour and twenty five minutes. Kudo's to the flight deck.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

I'm beginning to re-think if I want to continue flying AS. They are beginning to have Maint. problems again. I think they need to really get it together....

User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Personally, I'm going with the paranoid pilots theory. This will probably pass over and nobody will think anything of it in a month or so.

25 CVG2LGA : Then don't say it and just keep it to yourself. You should be dreading more than AS having a fatal accident ANY airline having a fatal accident. Deat
26 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Link from this mornings news report on Channel 2. http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmviewer.asp?a=3720&z=1 Apparently this is one of the flights. It isn't spe
27 Post contains images Goldenshield : Not to sound nit-picky, but a plane can't return to somewhere that it never took off from in the first place.
28 1011 : This is from the JNU newspaper Alaska Airlines plane bound for Anchorage suffers cabin pressure trouble Alaska Airline flight 65 experienced cabin pre
29 Post contains links and images HikesWithEyes : This is for ANCFLYER. There is supposed to be a link within this link that provides a link to the NTSB's reports on airline pressurization problems. I
30 Post contains images ANCFlyer : As I suspected . . . thanks for that info, HWS.
31 CO767FA : Why is it that you automatically assume this to be the case? It could just be coincidence, right? Odds may point to other factors, but we won't know
32 Post contains images Goldenshield : Is this the trip for the speculated LAS meet that I've heard little about, perchance?
33 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Why, yes it is . . . you're invited of course . . . See this thread . . . it shall be a weekend of debauchery for certain! LAS Meet Thread 3/24/25/26
34 Lincoln : While not similarly sized fleets, a several weeks ago, someone posted a "If you think AS is so unsafe, see how your favorite airline does" post. Comp
35 Post contains links and images Gipper913 : I must admit thinking the same thing re: union sabatoge. Why? AS and their unions are very much at odds recently, and it does seem like a whole lot m
36 HikesWithEyes : I have heard that YEG has an all night back bacon diner that is out of this world!
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