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NW To End ELP Flts  
User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 414 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Effective May 2, according to El Paso Times, flights to MSP will end.

Lasted quite a bit longer than I thought they would.

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

 Yeah sure Big suprise, everyone loves spending close to 4 hours in an RJ...not to mention that that was one spendy leg. Ever priced a flight on it?


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Too bad, but no doubt the O&D wasn't there to make the route profitable ... as for connections, why would anyone from ELP connect via MSP when DEN, SLC, DFW, ORD, etc. provide shorter routes to almost anywhere?


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Too bad, but no doubt the O&D wasn't there to make the route profitable ... as for connections, why would anyone from ELP connect via MSP when DEN, SLC, DFW, ORD, etc. provide shorter routes to almost anywhere?

I think they were banking on the O&D from Minneapolis, as a lot of Minnesota-based companies had moved manufacturing ops to Ciudad Juarez, Mexico (right across the border). I also know many Hispanic families that had relatives that had moved to the MSP area...however, I don't think that the market (for personal travel, at least) would bear the costs of travel via NW (the fares were pretty high).



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Quoting CMB320 (Thread starter):
Effective May 2, according to El Paso Times, flights to MSP will end.

The Northwest Airlines system seems to be shrinking more and more by the day!


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 4):

The Northwest Airlines system seems to be shrinking more and more by the day!

Nah, they're still adding A319's to cities that should only be served by props like TVC. People call WN the short haul king, I guarantee NW has far more sub-300nm mainline routes to the middle of nowhere.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Interesting, because in the NW newsletter, about the routes they wanted to fly the new Regional jets on, MSP and DTW to ELP were both on the map.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3827 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Interesting, because in the NW newsletter, about the routes they wanted to fly the new Regional jets on, MSP and DTW to ELP were both on the map.

Holy cow, I couldn't imagine DTW-ELP on a CRJ. I would imagine MSP-ELP already has payload restrictions. Another route ended by NW and a tiny tiny more chance at every city they cut of WN coming (not that WN would serve MSP-ELP).


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Yeah, I always figured with as many companies in MSP that have ops over in Juarez that a 319 could be justified. The very thought of 4 hours on a CRJ is a nightmare. Too bad, ELP is a great city and I am happy I got to live there for a year. I hope I can return some day. Still, there are plenty of connections on mainline (AA to ORD, DFW, CO to IAH, US/HP to PHX and LAS, UA and F9 to DEN and WN to a lot of points west).

BTW...I've always thought WN should do an ELP-MDW flight...sure would make connecting from the East coast/Midwest easier.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6807 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 8):
BTW...I've always thought WN should do an ELP-MDW flight.

I guess the possibilities of this are dependent on whether or not WN and ELP have mended fences with respect to the public dispute over the airport's expensive expansion/renovation project a few years back.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
guess the possibilities of this are dependent on whether or not WN and ELP have mended fences with respect to the public dispute over the airport's expensive expansion/renovation project a few years back.

Wow, another airport that Southwest gets into disagreements with... one more on the list:

SEA, SAN, ELP, DFW...

Is it me or can't Southwest play well with others?


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Does NW still have MEM-TUS on a CRJ?


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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

Quoting CMB320 (Thread starter):
Holy cow, I couldn't imagine DTW-ELP on a CRJ

Funny, people still fly a CRJ/ERJ to SAT from SFO and LAX everyday!


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3698 times:
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Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 10):
Is it me or can't Southwest play well with others?

Is it me or is Tornado still upset about WN going to PHL instead of ABE?  Wink.
There are a lot of airlines that don't like certain airports. WN seems to be happy with LAS.  Silly


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 13):

Is it me or is Tornado still upset about WN going to PHL instead of ABE? Wink.

You of all people, who can IM me on AIM any time, know that I lived 290 miles away from Allentown airport at the time, considered Allentown a giant ghetto I'd wouldn't be caught dead in, and had NO intentions of living here when Southwest chose Philly over Allentown. Additionally, I'm trying my damnedest to get out of this God-forsaken Valley as we speak because Allentown, Philly, and the rest of this area all suck, so NO I'm not upset about it. I frankly don't want them here, because they'd take all the jetbridged gates and make the RJ's of GOOD airlines use the steps... AND their current route network out of PHL if it were transposed to here would be of NO use to me anyways for my most usual trips. If I wanted to reap the benefits of the "Southwest Effect" all I gotta do is pay the PTC my $2 toll and take a 70 mile drive.

I wonder though, when I move out of here back to Pittsburgh in a month God-willing, what's gonna be the newest thing you clowns use to bash me?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3629 times:
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Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
You of all people

Hahahahaha.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
I wonder though, when I move out of here back to Pittsburgh in a month God-willing, what's gonna be the newest thing you clowns use to bash me?

Probably when you start complaining that WN is diluting US yields in PIT and forcing them to cut flights.  Wink


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
I wonder though, when I move out of here back to Pittsburgh in a month God-willing, what's gonna be the newest thing you clowns use to bash me?

He'll say you moved there because they have WN.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 12):
Funny, people still fly a CRJ/ERJ to SAT from SFO and LAX everyday!

Erj and Crj are totally different animals.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):

Probably when you start complaining that WN is diluting US yields in PIT and forcing them to cut flights. Wink

US was cutting flights LONG before WN came to town. They only came to town because US DID cut flights. You're wrong again. And as far as US goes, I'll probably still fly CO out of PIT, even if it means the B1900 to CLE. If I cared about US, I'd still be flying them now, because they're the #1 carrier here too.


User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 11):
Does NW still have MEM-TUS on a CRJ?

I don't show any in SABRE. Looks like the route is gone.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3574 times:
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Quoting DFW13L (Reply 18):
I don't show any in SABRE. Looks like the route is gone.

So is MSP, all NW service is gone from TUS now, along with ONT.


User currently offlineAirwest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19):

So is MSP, all NW service is gone from TUS now, along with ONT.

Are they cutting MSP-TUS? I thought is still NW883, MSP-TUS, at least that is what I found for now.


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
Interesting, because in the NW newsletter, about the routes they wanted to fly the new Regional jets on, MSP and DTW to ELP were both on the map.

I saw the same NW newsletter and the only thing I could think of is, "what are they smoking in Eagan?" Despite the influx of Hispanics to the Upper Midwest and formerly upper-Midwest businesses to that region, the market simply isn't there. I even thought to myself that NW would've had a better shot running ELP-MEM than ELP-MSP... as sick as that sounds.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 8):
BTW...I've always thought WN should do an ELP-MDW flight...sure would make connecting from the East coast/Midwest easier.

AA does ELP-ORD...and I hear it's a quite popular route.



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User currently offlinePropatriamori From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3164 times:

I don't know how true this is or not,

but the EP times article did mention that NW was not pulling out of ELP because the route was unprofitable. It was written up as more of a "NW can make more money with the equipment on other routes and needs to do so due to the current company financial situation". There were words from a NW spokesperson to that effect.

Personally, the option came up for me to fly this route several times, connecting to the NRT flight, but the return flights always had a long layover in MSP. There are many Japanese companies operating in Juarez and perhaps NW failed to fully capitalize on that traffic, with the layover in MSP choosing AA through DFW instead was a no-brainer.

AA does ELP-ORD 3x daily now, and does quite well. I think after WN, AA has to be the number two airline in ELP.

Im surprised UA or F9 haven't pulled out of the Denver flights yet...


User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 3067 times:

Quoting Propatriamori (Reply 23):
Im surprised UA or F9 haven't pulled out of the Denver flights yet...

F9 is usually pretty flexible where it sends its equipment..or in this case, Horizon's RJs and would normally redeploy the equipment if it could bring in more revenue on another route. However, in the case of ELP, F9 has a res call center in nearby Las Cruces, NM. That may play a role in the decision to stay IF as you suggest, the route is not performing up to system standards.



"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
25 CMB320 : Why would F9 pull out of ELP? Are the loads no good? F9 has been flying to ELP since nearly the start of their operations have they not?
26 STJ : I am surprised to since I load these flights 3 or 4 times a weekend and they are usually always full or as full as we can get them as they usually are
27 MalpensaSFO : Really, last anyone checked they are both cramped and not appealing to the majority of flyers used to a standard passenger aircraft such as a A320 or
28 DAYflyer : I remember the days n the 80's when AA ran a DC-10 into ELP from DFW.
29 Joeman : True, but if I want to be loyal to the hometown "hub" carrier in CLE in travelling to SEA, I go via IAH down on the Gulf, or EWR over there by the At
30 Iowaman : Blah, I could of swore they were cutting that, I guess not. I know they cut MSP-RNO and ONT though.
31 Pilottim747 : Did NW ever fly this route? NW used to have a MSP-TUS flight on a CRJ, I dont recall a MEM (or DTW) flight recently. NW is still serving TUS once dai
32 CentPIT : Not true at all. As much as US continues to disappoint me in PIT it is not cutting flights because of WN. When will WN be adding flights in PIT anywa
33 Post contains images Burnsie28 : Uh, i would imagine it would be more like an EMB-170/190
34 Iowaman : Yes I believe it was Saturday only MEM-TUS on a CRJ.
35 Maiznblu_757 : Why should TVC only be served by props?
36 LEO777 : There are only 2 flights from ORD-ELP, there used to be 3 flights from ORD-ELP that was pre 9-11. I just looked at the schedules on aa.com.
37 Iowaman : Did anyone say avros and CRJ's weren't allowed?
38 Burnsie28 : Tornado 82 said: Seeing how many of the DC-9's are full, an upgrade to an A319 may be a downgrade by one seat if it replaces a DC-9-50.
39 Tornado82 : And welcome to the reason NW needs Q-400s. Nothing beats the waste of $2/gallon Jet-A on a route where ya never even set your altimeter to 29.92. Tha
40 KcrwFlyer : For the same reasons some other cities are???? Of course theyre allowed. How does one know this? Hey, hey, hey!!! How dare you diss NWs "Get Out of B
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