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Transitting LAX A Bad Joke!  
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

recently had the misfortune of transitting LAX.

Flew QF BNE/LAX & ARRIVED early before 0700 & had to sit on aircraft as U.S. customs/immigration not open !!! (hello).

Had to leave Tom Bradley Int Term to go to AA flight from Term 4, so had to enter LA & go thru security at Term 4.

Later on AA flight reading AA magazine, maps of airports in back, it says there's a tunnell from TBIT to Term 4 to aviod having to go thru serurity again, so why couldn't we use it???

On return flights, recd. DEN/LAX & LAX/BNE boarding passes at DEN.

Again, but in reverse, arrived term 4 to them have to go to TBIT, where TSA security told me could not go thru to gate with AA boarding pass stating QF175 on it, but had to get another piece of QF paper rather than AA paper, so spent hour in queue for this, only to then go to bus terminal gate 116 to go on tour of LAX for 30 minutes to a remote stand. As a result of all this nonscience took off 70 minutes late. QF flight attendants said this happened all the time because of TSA security nonscience. They even made a joke of not congregating in groups around the toilets, because they had to say it, but had no intention of even enforcing it.

Moral of the story, avoid LAX like the plague, fly via SFO or HNL or avoid the U.S. altogether & go to Canada instead, the yanks don't really want our money!!!

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Considering you have a history of bashing on this board prior, I'll take your comments somewhat lightly.

As far as customs, the Federal Inspection Services have core hours of 0700-2300 at TBIT. Airlines schedule within those guidelines or must pay for additional staffing cost if they wish to come and go outside of this.
Its quite regular that early arrivals wait for the official opening hours. If you wish to place blame on any party, I'd suggest you place it with Qantas.

As far as the tunnel between T-4 and TBIT yes it indeed does exist, however is used to channel international customs passengers from T-4 during times its facility is closed to that of TBITs. Its not meant as a direct always open connector between the terminals but instead a sterile customs corridor.

Lastly, I'd ask for you to please identify an airport where one can arrive off an international flight and not have to reclear security prior to boarding a domestic flight?
I travel over 25 weeks a year and whether its Japan, Europe, South America must always clear thru local security at some point of my journey.
A matter of fact to my knowledge the rescreening of transit passengers is both encouraged as best practices and even governed by bilateral security agreements between multiple nations. The idea being is that you cant breach security at one airport (possibly one with weak security) and be able to travel freely without encountering rescreening downline. Its quite a prudent approach in my view.



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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Well, all that may be true, but LAX does still suck. I really wish that LAX was able to go through with its master plan! Knowing how quickly things move in California, it'll now probably be another decade before we see a major terminal renovation.

[Edited 2006-02-24 04:43:18]

User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
As far as customs, the Federal Inspection Services have core hours of 0700-2300 at TBIT.

Get real is LAX a 24 hour airport or not? Seems like you want to be a 24 hour airport, when it suits you.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
As far as the tunnel between T-4 and TBIT yes it indeed does exist, however is used to channel international customs passengers from T-4 during times its facility is closed to that of TBITs. Its not meant as a direct always open connector between the terminals but instead a sterile customs corridor.

Perhaps this tunnel should be opened up to arriving INT pax to get to T4 especially as it already exists. It would certainly shorten queues at your so called security, which brings me to the point, why is it called security at all? It would be incredibly easy to breach, not that any terrorist would use a commercvail flight/airport anyway. Let's face it, a terrorist would probably fly in on a learjet & land at any of hundreds of strips in California/nevada desert & be undetected if he was smart.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Lastly, I'd ask for you to please identify an airport where one can arrive off an international flight and not have to reclear security prior to boarding a domestic flight?

surely you're not suggesting than entering the good old u.s. of a. at customs/immigration is not a secure point? Realy this nonscience has gone on too long.

Maybe we should just tell people thinking of going to the u.s. not too bother, the whole place is a mess, huge deficit, it'll be owned by China soon anyway. Besides, they're shooting lawyers there now. Dodgy Cheney shot lawyer recently & if VP thinks he can & gets away with it, then soon everyone will be taking pot shots at lawyers. (what did the guy owe Cheney or didn't he do what he was told?)


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

I have to agree LAX is not the most pleasant place to transit. My experience when arriving into Terminal 4 on QF from MEL last December is waiting on the aircraft for 30 minutes because another QF flight arrived before us and CBP said the Immigration area was too full. Terminal 2 is not the good either. I came in on CA and felt the arrival terminal to be a bit worn.

LAX is a very busy International airport and I hope the city will move forward with their master plan to make it a more efficient airport for International arrivals.



John@SFO
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 3):
Get real is LAX a 24 hour airport or not? Seems like you want to be a 24 hour airport, when it suits you.

Sure if airlines wish to fund the service. There is very little if any activity or demand between midnight and 7am. Besides JFK and possibly MIA I am not aware of any airport that has 24hour FIS coverage in the US.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 3):
Perhaps this tunnel should be opened up to arriving INT pax to get to T4 especially as it already exists

It would then loose its sterile status. What you are suggesting is to have passengers that have cleared customs and headed to AA domestic flights mix with inbound international arrival passengers walking over to TBIT for clearance.


At the end of the day, its standard worldwide practice to rescreen passengers arriving off international flights prior to boarding domestic or even other international services.

Even airport such as Singapore which keep winning awards from convenience rescreen ALL passengers at each gate for their connecting flight. Others like Heathrow, Narita, rescreen passengers upon entry to the transit area.

It is indeed a free country, you are free to vote via your dollars to choose another airport like SFO or HNL or even another country if you dont feel the US does not deserves your presence.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3192 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 3):
Get real is LAX a 24 hour airport or not? Seems like you want to be a 24 hour airport, when it suits you.

Just because there isn't demand to keep FIS staffed 24 hours doesn't mean the airport can't serve flights 24 hours a day. There are plenty of domestic flights as well as international departures outside the 0700-2300 window that TBIT FIS is open.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 3):
Perhaps this tunnel should be opened up to arriving INT pax to get to T4 especially as it already exists.

If you had arriving INT pax using this tunnel to transit to T4, you'd then be mixing uncleared arrivals from T-4 heading to TBIT with cleared arrivals from TBIT heading to T4. Not going to happen.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4610 times:
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Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
At the end of the day, its standard worldwide practice to rescreen passengers arriving off international flights prior to boarding domestic or even other international services.

In New Zealand if you've arrived on an International flight and your connecting to a Turbo-prop flight on NZ or QO then you don't go throu Domestic Security, just re-check-in your luggage and head direct to the gate and board the aircraft. If by your comment your meaning flights that can be considered a threat due to the aircraft, speed it travels etc then yes you have to

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
Even airport such as Singapore which keep winning awards from convenience rescreen ALL passengers at each gate for their connecting flight

With all the things that SIN offer, like spa baths, swimming pools, gyms then I'm not surprised they keep winning awards because all the treats totally make up for the hassel of going throu secuirty.

I'm surprised Simpilicity flew QF considering he doesnt like QF or JQ


User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

This is not the first time these types of complaints have been aired on here. People being arbitrarily denied visas after doing the paperwork and going to the interviews, innocent visitors being unnecessarily hassled by immigration when they arrive, and the list goes on. These complaints have taken a sharp rise in the past several years.

While I understand the need for security, it is important that the United States remains friendly to all peoples. We should be welcoming as possible and stay true to the fact that we are a country of immigrants.

However...

What doesn't help our country is this culture of unilateralism and the 'my way or the highway' attitude which has come from the very top levels of our government and has filtered down to even the lowest level TSA employee. The result is our government treating many foreigners in the most condescending manner possible.


[Edited 2006-02-24 06:07:03]


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User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

What is not standard interrnational practice is the requirement to go through immigration when you are transiting LAX on the same flight e.g. NZ2 AKL-LAX-LHR. This situation is so appalling that I no longer go tghrough the US for my frequent NZ-Europe trips. I go through SIN or HKG instead.

Another thing that is not standard international practice is the level of rudeness and downright beligerence offered to passengers by (some, not all) immigration officials at LAX - even to those who aren't doing anything other than get off the plane so they can clean it.

The final thing that is not standard international practice in developed countries is the risk of random denial of entry to passengers who have met all published immigration requirements. This hasn't happened to me, but it happens often enough to make it too high risk to go through the US on business trips to Europe.

[Edited 2006-02-24 06:12:12]

User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
It would then loose its sterile status. What you are suggesting is to have passengers that have cleared customs and headed to AA domestic flights mix with inbound international arrival passengers walking over to TBIT for clearance.

then couldn't a wall be built that divided the tunnel or another tunnel be built. This would seem to be a very low cost option?


User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Quoting Max999 (Reply 8):
What doesn't help our country is this culture of unilateralism and the 'my way or the highway' attitude which has come from the very top levels of our government and has filtered down to even the lowest level TSA employee. The result is our government treating many foreigners in the most condescending manner possible.

You are right in that this attitude doesn't help. But remember whenever someone is "the lowest level" employee of any company, you do what the boss says, or you get the hell out the door. It is that way... or the highway of unemployment. What also doesn't help is the fact that people think just because they came up with a solution and it makes sense to them that it must be the right and only right answer. Often times they are not thinking about things that those who were charged with making this decision have reviewed such as studies, statistics and specifically as mentioned, keeping the sterility of the environment. Perhaps it would only make more congestion to open this tunnel up with a dividing wall for cleared and non cleared pax. But then I don't know this is just what I thought when reading the posts.
Tchau
DA-



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 10):
then couldn't a wall be built that divided the tunnel or another tunnel be built. This would seem to be a very low cost option?

I'm not sure this is really practical.

Firstly the tunnel (which in some portions is a covered walkway outside adjacent to the tarmac) is not really that large and dividing it I would guesstimate only for allow 2 people walking side by side on each side of the divider.

In addition the entire end at AA would need redesign as it currently feeds down from a sterile corridor from the gates upstairs and the T-4 FIS area.
Any passengers making use of the tunnel from TBIT to T-4 would need to be channeled to an area prior to the security check points for the required screening prior to accessing any T-4 gates.

As such its just as easy to use the current method of using either the upper or lower roadways between TBIT and T-4.



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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

I think with QF again flying SYD/SFO from Jun-Jul QF will find experienced travllers will flock to SFO services to avoid LAX. This will surely lead to less QF services to LAX & more to SFO (initially only 3/week on trial basis for something like 6 weeks then again in DEC-JAN).

User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

I'm actually sitting at LAX right now awating my next flight on American and frankly, I don't see this as a bad joke or any kind of joke for that matter.


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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 14):
I'm actually sitting at LAX right now awating my next flight on American and frankly, I don't see this as a bad joke or any kind of joke for that matter.

Did u fly in internationally? Or r u talking domestic to domestic?


User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 15):
Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 14):
I'm actually sitting at LAX right now awating my next flight on American and frankly, I don't see this as a bad joke or any kind of joke for that matter.

Did u fly in internationally? Or r u talking domestic to domestic?

This discussion is about transferring from int to dom or v.v. Sorry if not 100% clear on that.


User currently offlineB707321C From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Lastly, I'd ask for you to please identify an airport where one can arrive off an international flight and not have to reclear security prior to boarding a domestic flight?
I travel over 25 weeks a year and whether its Japan, Europe, South America must always clear thru local security at some point of my journey.

I think you are mixing up Security checks with Passport control and Customs control. Arriving off an international flight, Passport and customs needs to be cleared before departing on a domestic flight in most places. Security can be different. In a lot of airport no further check are needed as long as you stay in the secure zone.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Quoting B707321C (Reply 17):
I think you are mixing up Security checks with Passport control and Customs control

In general as a recommend and best practice International arriving passengers will clear security prior to reboarding a domestic or often international flight.

This in most cases is done in the transit area of airport such as in Europe/Asia or via entry to terminals/concourses as done in the US.

The reason behind this is that government authorities in general do not want the liability of having a person somehow eluded security in a foreign port being given further free reign to sterile areas and another potential flight.

Such follow up screening requirements have been even spelled out in bilateral treaties amongst countries to ensure compliance on occasion.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Moral of the story is SYD-SFO starts March 29th.

Working here at LAX for 4 months has been and eye opener. A select few airlines have a nice setup. Some of those carriers though do not. Connecting to codeshare partners doesn't seem to be LAX's best aspect.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 11):
You are right in that this attitude doesn't help. But remember whenever someone is "the lowest level" employee of any company, you do what the boss says, or you get the hell out the door. It is that way... or the highway of unemployment. What also doesn't help is the fact that people think just because they came up with a solution and it makes sense to them that it must be the right and only right answer. Often times they are not thinking about things that those who were charged with making this decision have reviewed such as studies, statistics and specifically as mentioned, keeping the sterility of the environment. Perhaps it would only make more congestion to open this tunnel up with a dividing wall for cleared and non cleared pax. But then I don't know this is just what I thought when reading the posts.
Tchau
DA-

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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4037 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 16):
This discussion is about transferring from int to dom or v.v. Sorry if not 100% clear on that.

Maybe I'm confused, but when arriving in SYD from LAX, don't you have to go to an entirely DIFFERENT terminal to catch a QF domestic flight? Don't you have to go through security again? I'm not sure about this, but I know QF has a separate domestic terminal in SYD.


User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 816 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
It is indeed a free country, you are free to vote via your dollars to choose another airport like SFO or HNL or even another country if you dont feel the US does not deserves your presence.

And we do.

Avoiding the personal snipe there, like another member here I make frequent trips back to New Zealand and never if I can possibly help it, ever fly via LAX. I also strongly advise friends, family and aquaintances to do likewise. The whole immigration clearance issue for transiting pax is a mind-numbing joke and never mind the third-world terminal or scary Men With Guns everywhere.

After a 11hr flight facing another 12hrs in the air, the last thing you want is to have to clear immigration, wait for bags, check back in, clear immigration, clear security, then wait in a stuffy departure lounge with perhaps a magazine shop if you're lucky.

As for the "do not congregate around toilets inflight" announcement - when I heard that on the last QF flight I took LHR/LAX/AKL it got a few laughs. But I do wonder which particular genuis was released from his padded cell long enough to scribble that one down...

"Sir... yes, YOU SIR, stay seated for 11hrs, thank you for your cooperation."

In any case, I think it's a legitimate gripe - how many pax have brought tickets to a destination without realising the consequences of transiting through the US? It makes a very long flight much longer and more stessful. Last time I transitted Miami, it was at least a little more relaxing as I completely missed my connecting flight to Sao Paulo because of the idiotic immigration/check/recheck business. In situations like that, it's always wise to give up trying to get anywhere and chill.

Sorry, but give me Changi, Dong Muang or KL any day of the week - particularly the rooftop pool at Changi - good stuff for stretching before hitting the air for another long hop.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

As the Osmond family sang in the early 1970's, "One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch".

There are wonderful friendly Americans (of which I like to think I am), and there are ignorant, self-important, idiots in positions of power. There are security people in the United States that are genuinely concerned with keeping airports safe and others who see their job as a "fiefdom" to compensate, perhaps, for other "inadequacies".

I believe the spirit of the original discussion refers to facilities, not staffing. Let us return to that topic, as personnel problems can be found in every airport on the planet.

LAX was never designed as a connecting airport. The facilities are mainly designed for O&D passengers. The astonishing population growth of California in the last 50-60 years has left most facilities and services in the state strained to the point of collapse. Try driving from southern Orange County to the Santa Clarita Valley or from San Bernardino to Ventura during any rush hour (a redundant term anymore) or during rain - the meaning of the word "eternity" will become crystal clear. Add to this mixture NIMBY's that cannot see tomorrow much less any future event that does not involve their SUV or extra-tall mocha soy double skinny latte, and you'll understand why LAX (and every other aspect of California) is the way it is.

Putting the issue of "security" aside, LAX desperately needs something like a monorail or AirTrain (a la EWR) to connect the terminals. Even if it was outside of security, it would be MUCH easier than having to negotiate the ridiculously large number of busses and drop-off/pick-up vehicles already on the lower level. No tunnels, no short-cuts, but a circular tram could make domestic-to-international (and vice-versa) as well as domestic-to-domestic connections in different terminals a lot simpler.

The only issues I might see any solution to in security is some kind of stand-by staff for delayed flights. If a QF flight is delayed and doesn't arrive until say 3 AM, it would be ridiculous to expect passengers who have already been delayed to wait on the plane another 4 hours, especially at the end of a 14 hour flight.

I do agree that unless you absolutely have to, don't transit via LAX.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 23):
LAX was never designed as a connecting airport

Love the post and the good use of the word 'eternity'. Made the mistake last year of getting into I-10 at 5:00 pm. Could have walked faster to my destination!!

But you are right, most airports werent built for connecting traffic. The best way to do it now would be a single security point for all passangers and connected terminal that would allow travel between them, w/o going thru security again.


25 NonRevKing : LAX is just fine. You just don't like it. And what you think only amounts to a rant on the a.net civil fourm. What does this have to do with anything
26 Sllevin : Let me get this straight...you want to go through and have access to your checked bags (which can include all kinds of things that cannot be carried
27 Simpilicity : N O !!! Customs & immigration is the only real security at most U.S. airports. (in the travel industry we laugh at U.S. so called security, enforced
28 777ER : Yes thats correct about QF in SYD
29 Don81603 : Both times I've transited LAX was International to international flights (YYC to TPE and vice versa via LAX. The trip to TPE< I made sure I had suffi
30 MalpensaSFO : A bit? I think the airport in Beirut is glorious compared to good ol' T2.
31 Zkojh : Im doing LHR-AKL via LAX on NZ1 at the end of april, and made up my mind that this will be the last time I go via the states, LAX has lost the plot, j
32 CTHEWORLD : I travel through LAX internationally quite often, INS/Customs in Terminal 7 moves quite nicely, and luggage is rechecked in the secured area, then you
33 Post contains images SA7700 : How does Beirut compare to the 1996-version of Cairo airport? That was an experience I will never forget - in retrospect it was actually quite hilari
34 PITA333 : Yeah, I agree that LAX can be a complicated airport if you need to get out of TBI and go to one of the other terminals. I try to avoid TBI at all cost
35 Cyclonic : Unfortunately, its sad that a rockin' town like Los Angeles has ended up with an airport like LAX. Its not so bad for domestic, but for International
36 PA110 : First off Simplicity, the word is NONSENSE, not NonScience. Second, LAX has never claimed to be a 24 hour airport. Third, it is no secret that U.S. ai
37 NonRevKing : Is it? Are you sure? Sounds like it's a little anti-American tantrum. B
38 SA7700 : Strangely enough I have never had a problem connecting at JFK, even from T3 to T7. Maybe the inner-loop Airtrain at JFK makes it an easier process th
39 PA110 : The major U.S. international gateway airports were built in an era when there were few, if any, international transit routes via the USA. The overwhel
40 SA7700 : So was JNB and you also have to take into account that South Africa saw very few, if any, transiting pax through JNB during the apartheid-era. Howeve
41 Post contains images BA : Beirut has a new terminal that was completed in 2000.
42 Simpilicity : that's my point, people are so annoyed they say, I don't know whether I want to go the the U.S. ever again & the U.S. needs every tourist dollar it g
43 NonRevKing : And posting this on the a.net civil forum is going to do what exactly? Here's a thought, why don't you save your political opinions for the non av fo
44 FlyboyOz : That's right and I totally agree with Simplicity. In my experience, transit in SFO is the best. That's why I always keep avoiding flying to transit in
45 AirWillie6475 : LAX has one of the most smallest areas of land to operate in compared to ORD or DEN which have 3 times the land area of LAX. The terminals are built v
46 Laxintl : A couple things to keep in mind regarding LAX compared to SFO. SFO only has a single FIS facility. LAX on the other hand at the urging and funding of
47 Post contains images NonRevKing : But logic and facts don't matter man, HE doesn't like it! And if HE doesn't like it, the whole country sucks! B
48 Sllevin : The same exact issues would occur at SFO. I don't believe that SFO is 24x7 customs and immigration, and you certainly have to re-enter security after
49 Post contains images SATX : Oh, we want your money alright, but do you have to come with it? On a more serious note, have you made your feelings known to Qantas and the LAX mana
50 AS739X : Non-reving: I work at LAX and I like this airport just fine. The fact is that LAX is bursting at the seem and poorly designed, not by fault of the des
51 FutureFO : Also LAX's 24 hour ops after a certain time, is mainly a cargo airport. There are not 24 hr pax ops. I think the latest I have seen a sked departure i
52 PeachAir : There is nothing simple about you. Get some help with your anger. If you don't like the US - stay home.
53 Post contains images Vincewy : LAX is awesome, walk a couple blocks from LAX and you can get these from In-n-Out 16X16 How about 100X100 Seriously, my main gripe of LAX was absence
54 Simpilicity : E X A C T L Y !!! The U.S. wants & desperately needs tourism, but goes out of their way to have the grim reaper runing things at places like LAX. No
55 Nzrich : Yes after flying into LAX for nearly 5 years a mix of TBIT and T2 i have to say i much rather T2 just because of its size ... As for the service there
56 SA7700 : Those "lost" pax just need to read. I have been through SYD alot and have also made use of the "corner gates" without any problems. If they can't see
57 SATX : Lockers and showers would be very nice for plane spotters with a bit of time between connections. From what I've read the US gets something like 40,0
58 Laxintl : I believe lockers have been removed at most US airports post 9/11, particularly those located before security screening. They are just too tempting a
59 Nzrich : I just used that as an example every airport has some kind of problem even good ones like SYD
60 Aviationfreak : To be honest I think my transit through LAX wouldn't be such a bad experience if the airline (VS) I arrived with issued me the correct arrival cards s
61 Nzrich : Unfortunately the security screening took up quite a lot of space making the area very crampt
62 Koruman : There is a point waiting to get out here..... Air New Zealand now flies trans-Pacific from SFO as well as LAX. And those of us who are frequent visito
63 Mham001 : So exactly how many tourist dollars will we be losing if Simplicity decides not to pass through LAX terminals? A $.50 newspaper? Cup of coffee, maybe
64 Post contains images SA7700 : Do you truly think that he is the only pax that is not going to go via LAX into the States? Who knows what is going to happen when QF starts up their
65 777STL : Yes you do, most of the larger Australian airports have separate international and domestic terminals. As to security, I believe you do have to go th
66 ChrisEMA : Did I read correctly somewhere that they were installing a third desk for Immigration purposes in the NZ1/2 Transit Lounge, rather than just the two?
67 OzGlobal : That's normal procedure. But answer me this: Can you please identify an Asian, European or Australian airport that forces transiting international pa
68 Laxintl : US airports have never been designed for international to international connection passengers. There simply has never been nor is there currently much
69 Post contains images B777-700 : That's just sensationalist crap. I wasn't aware that people just came for the customs area.
70 OzGlobal : Fair point, but doesn't help the hapless LAX transit passenger. You should try it sometime. I promise you, you won't believe the treatment... My QF/B
71 Rdwelch : That's my favorite part of TBIT and LAX in general. Whenever I have training issues at LAX, I love to hit the ramp, with escort of course, and watch
72 Laxintl : Airlines report the data, however the basis for reporting is international to international based on ticketing, and also for the transit specific air
73 Simpilicity : Have you seen the U.S. deficit lately? It just went up a few more million in the few seconds it took to type this. If u don't so something about it d
74 Post contains images Argonaut : Wow! That's staggering! I've never transitted the USA en route to anywhere else on the same aircraft, so I had no idea they did that. Not only is it
75 Murchmo : Simplicity...save your political views for those forums. If you don't want to come to the USA then don't. If you wanna talk about aviation then lets d
76 Murchmo : ...makes me feel a bit better. Think about it, the plane is flying the full length of the continental USA, that leg is perfect game for them. I don't
77 SA7700 : I understand your point of view 100%. However, what I just don't get is why USA Airports never seemed to have baggage scanners pre-9/11? Post 9/11 we
78 Post contains links Tekelberry : Simplicity, You are complaining about the U.S. defecit (which really has nothing to do with you), but at the same time you are suggesting the U.S. inc
79 Murchmo : I thought most did have scanners, but maybe they weren't required...as for the rest you got me. Maybe it was just lack of standards...where did it st
80 OzGlobal : I think we are all in favour of focused, effective aviation security. This however, is unrelated to the treatment international transit passengers ge
81 Ikramerica : As an illustration, in 1995 and 1996, al Qaeda in the Phillipines was testing the process of boarding planes in one country with poor security in Asi
82 Laxintl : Hate to tell you however TSA actually pays quite well especially in higher cost localities such as LA, NY etc, and is a significant improvement compa
83 Post contains images Murchmo : well I just figured i'd put some thoughts out there. I have only been through Tom Bradley once, so i'm sure you guys are right... LAX definately needs
84 Simpilicity : The TSA goes slow, so they can work more hours at minimum wage. If they were efficient, they would need less people to do job. And if you feel safer
85 777STL : The number of arriving and departing flights between 12AM and 6AM is incredibly small so it's a moot point. Make fun of the US now.... Once Australia
86 Rdwelch : I'm in total agreement. Simplicity, I would ask again that you please cease with your inflammatory statements and conjecture. No one likes a bully, m
87 Sllevin : In other words, SYD is completely bass-ackward and would have had you divert somewhere else, land, evenutally find yourself arriving much later and m
88 Murchmo : Not true. An overworked person is less safe then two. It's not about effeciency, it's about safety. [go ahead and babble about money/deficit/ect.] Wh
89 Post contains images Chugach : Exactly. Here's a novel idea: If you don't like an airport, DON'T GO THERE. Would you shut up about the damn deficit already? If you're that determin
90 Bphendri : Yes, LAX sucks! I have had some of the worst experiances clearing immigration and customs there, and I am not talking about being searched, or rude pe
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