Quote: Northwest intends to replace its DC-9s, which are more than 30 years old, with Bombardier or Embraer regional jets.
Sorry if this is old news, but a carrier with a fleet of CRJs really doesn't go well with me. You can't really tell me anyone enjoys them no matter how cheap their ticket is. The only other airline to operate a major fleet of RJs was Indy Air, and we all know how that turned out.
Ejmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13468 times:
I believe this article is a little over-simplistic. The common wisdom is that NW will use the Embraer E-Jets which have similar capacity to the DC-9's. These are being broadly defined as RJ's in this article. However, the economics and comfort of the E-Jets are head over heals better than the smaller RJ's.
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I know this info may be old but they have a sizeable fleet outside of the DC-9s.
A319 - 65
A320 - 73
A330 - 18
B747 - 34
B757 - 62
I would hazzard a guess that the DC-9s that are replaced with RJs will be on smaller routes that couldn't support these bigger planes. If they pick a decent RJ like the EMB-170/190 (I know...it's debatable if it really is a RJ.) I believe those planes would be a nice fit. I hate the Jungle/Barbie Jets as much as the next guy but not all routes can support a bigger plane.
Since they own the DC-9s as has been said previously those planes will be around for quite some time. Don't expect them to disappear anytime soon.
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AirlineAV8tr From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 191 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13401 times:
I mentioned this in a related topic earlier, but it's going to be very interesting to see the pay scale for these new jets. If NWA pays them the industry standard for RJ pilots, you'll see another pilot uproar. If they pay them similar to what they made on the DC-9, you'll see an uproar amongst RJ pilots! Current average for an RJ 5th year FO, is between $30-$40 an hour. The current NWA payscale for a DC-9 5th-6th year FO on the DC-9 is $75!
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Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3604 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13304 times:
I thought I read someplace that the RJs will be for routes where an A319/20 or DC9 are not viable. NW flies to a lot of small places with frequency but is starting to but up with new commers like Allegiant. They are starting to give alternatives to NW in traditionally NW territory like Appleton and Fargo.
Some stations like my hometown airport of CWA has 4 flights a day to MSP and 4 to DTW. These planes are packed every day. When I was young Republic flew there with DC9s that filled up nicely.
NW needs something and the C-series won't come at all and would have been too late anyway. The RRJ would fit but again too late. NW needs something NOW.
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CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13172 times:
Quoting United737522 (Thread starter): Sorry if this is old news, but a carrier with a fleet of CRJs really doesn't go well with me. You can't really tell me anyone enjoys them no matter how cheap their ticket is. The only other airline to operate a major fleet of RJs was Indy Air, and we all know how that turned out.
We shouldn't dismiss the CRJs too quickly... BBD appears to have woken up to face the threat from Embraer. The CRJ705, -900 and -900X might be tempting to NW, I'm sure NW is one of the key airlines that BBD is talking to, according to a FI online-article some weeks ago. The E-jets are in very high demand with delivery slots being fully(?) booked out for several years while BBD had spare capacity and perhaps is willing to offer some good deals...?
If the CRJ705, -900 and -900X offer good economics (which apparently they do), MX-commonality with Pinnacle's CRJ200s and clever use of cabin amenities to enhance the feeling of space (light colours and fabrics, 32-33-34 inches of seat pitch and even PTVs) they could be a good replacement for DC9s on routes with reduced demand (75-85 seats per flight) while the A319 covers the other DC9-routes with higher demand (100-126 seats)...
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1942 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12604 times:
Im sorry but none of the so called Regional jets even the bigger Embraer planes can compare to a FULL SIZED airliner....
Boeing really screwed the pooch when they decided to close down the B717-200 line. If Boeing had not been thinking inside their shoes they could have sold a mess of them to Northwest as a DC9 replacements.
Is it me or are airplanes getting smaller on the inside whilst the general population get bigger?
I was looking at a picture I shot of a CRJ that I flew on back in 1999 and there were some guys standing next to it loading bags... That plane is dinky...Compare it to Convair 580 or an F27 or one of the older Turboprop airliners it tries to replace and its a toy....Maybe its me but thats what it seems like!!!
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12308 times:
These RJs are no surprise. 15 years ago, the NW domestic fleet was basically 2 jets, the 727-200 and DC-9 (ok, and they flew like MSP-DTW, or MSP-LAX on the DC-10). They replaced 727-200 with the 757 and A320, they replaced some of the DC-9 routes with A319s, others, which the DC-9 is still on, will be replaced with CRJ2 and CRJ7's, as well as Embraer E-Jets. The CRJ is an abomination, and I refuse to ride on one unless I am absolutely forced to. I hate them .... with a passion. My understanding is that the E-Jets aren't bad, but i highly doubt they're as roomy, open, and comfortable as the old DC-9s. It is too bad Boeing shut down the 717 line, I would much rather ride a 717 than an E-Jet, and WAY more than a CRJ. That said, NW could also buy A318s, since they've already got a nice fleet of 320s and 319s, but they're going a different direction. Cheaper to pay pilots on a E-Jet, I guess. Anyhow, I avoid flying NW, and I live in their hub.
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What would be the option if you were a pilot? If you don't take it, there is 1000 of us waiting in line to take your Regional jet pay. Heck, I'll give up my good paying job to become an RJ pilot any day because I know I gotta start somewhere. Unfortunate for the current A318 pilots but it's the reality.