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Preserving The Past.. Where To Start.  
User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Hi Guys...

Ok now I need some helpfull advice.

Ive been reading an article on Concorde and the current situations of the airframes around the world...
As far as I can see more AF concordes are stored under cover than BA concordes. This article was expressing concern for the airframes and their exposure to the elements.. and what a shame it is for these Airframes to be stored in conditions like this..

NOW BEFORE YOU FLAME GRILL ME Im no scientist and maybe the elements do not have such a bad effect, but I cant imagine it to be healthy.

The Concorde at LHR is parked next to a busy taxiway, and is almost taunted each day by the grand airliners that still get to fly to their exotic destinations as they rumble by on their way to the threshold..

Looking in a wider perspective, many many historically important airframes across the world are kept in conditions that must corrode them faster than if they were stored under cover..look at cosford.

I am thinking of starting a foundation or a charity to house or cover some of these historically landmarks in aviation... I know their are currently other preservation society's around, but a lot of these concentrate on the Maintainance of these aircraft.

I need some professional and sound advice... is this possible to do, does anyone have any tips or suggestions.. and in general is this a good idea..

Please no criticism, just some feedback on my idea...

Thanks guys !!

Have a good one.

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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
NOW BEFORE YOU FLAME GRILL ME

There's no need for that

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Looking in a wider perspective, many many historically important airframes across the world are kept in conditions that must corrode them faster than if they were stored under cover..look at cosford.

Yes, it is sad to see how many historically important planes were lost for good and it would be nice to see more of them preserved. In fact, I believe that Brits are doing really good job despite the fact that those planes are outside.

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
I am thinking of starting a foundation or a charity to house or cover some of these historically landmarks in aviation...

Idea is great. I'm really interested in that.



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 1):
Yes, it is sad to see how many historically important planes were lost for good and it would be nice to see more of them preserved. In fact, I believe that Brits are doing really good job despite the fact that those planes are outside.

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
I am thinking of starting a foundation or a charity to house or cover some of these historically landmarks in aviation...

Idea is great. I'm really interested in that.

Thanks Aleksander !!

Appreciate the support...
I was talking today with my Dad and some other friends who have gave me some ideas where to start.... wont be easy !!

I have to say, The Brits do a remarkable job, in fact a lot of countries do...

My line of thinking is that.. their are museums and buildings dedicated to preserving cars / motorcycles etc and they dont keep them outside...now I know aircraft in genereal are a lot bigger than an old Mercedes but that doesnt mean they shouldnt have undercover storage...

Well... I gotta keep thinking about it so as to not let the idea burn out..

Joe


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 2288 times:
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There is a disaster in the making on the go right now at JNB. SAA's Historic Flight owns 2 DC-3s, 2 DC-4s (one of them the last one ever built) and a Junkers JU-52. Until recently the planes all lived in hangars at AFB Swartkop in Pretoria, but the air force wanted their hangars back so now the planes are all standing exposed to the elements behind SAA's main maintenance hangar (the JU-52 is thankfully still hangared).

The 2 DC-4s and a DC-3 are in this pic I took a couple of weeks ago. (The Connie doesn't fly unfortunately).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/andzz/IMG_1113-1.jpg

The DCs have received TLC from everyone involved with Historic Flight, are all in flying condition and certified to carry passengers so in some ways their preservation is even more critical than Concorde. Unfortunately due to various circumstances (not of SAA's making) the planes are standing idle because they are not being marketed, hence no flights scheduled. It would be a terrible waste if they are allowed to decay to the point that they cannot carry enthusiasts anymore.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

I absolutely believe that more airliners have to be preserved for the future generations and it doesn't matter if they are inside or outside (inside would be better, though).

Belgrade has a very interesting aviation museum, but, unfortunately, not a single airliner is inside and not a single airliner is preserved well. The saddest case is Caravelle that has almost no interior and she is in really bad shape. Just to show how the situation is bad, she has 400kg of concrete in forward cargo compartment just to be able to sit normally and as of her general state, photos can explain it better than me:

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Unfortunately, there is no money and I would say not much will either to improve that situation. The airliner that is preserved well there is Ju-52 and DC-3 which was not put on display.

Budapest has interesting airliners, as well. They are outside and they do need more attention, but it is a very good starting point.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
wont be easy !!

It never is, Joe, but I'm glad you're interested in it.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
I have to say, The Brits do a remarkable job, in fact a lot of countries do...

The best case of well preserved airliner that is on outside display is probably this one in Switzerland

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No words are needed here. Simply wonderful.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
I know aircraft in genereal are a lot bigger than an old Mercedes but that doesnt mean they shouldnt have undercover storage...

Like I've already said, some can stay outside if they are well preserved. The example in Switzerland proves my point. It seems that it is more important how those planes are taken care of than whether they are inside or outside. Have in mind that those planes were exposed to worse elements while in service than they are now, but then they had more attention. What makes me sad (and a bit angry as well) is that preserved airlines are often neglected and even forgotten and that is the main reason why their condition deteriorates.

Quoting Andz (Reply 3):

Interesting photo. What about those 747s (it is 747-300 and 747SP there, I believe). Are they part of the museum now?



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