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Rumour: Air France Studies A340-600E  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12767 times:

Heard a rumour , coming from an A340 AF captain , telling they are studying the A340-600E to replace their A340-300s.
Probably we will know if Airbus goes ahead with this new version at the end of March , when Qatar Aw will say if they buy it or goes to Boeing with the 777-300ER.

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7616 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12762 times:

Any particular reason why AF would want to do this? AF is already a 777-300ER operator and it seems to me it is a bit crazy to have both -300ER's and new A346E's.


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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12725 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Any particular reason why AF would want to do this? AF is already a 777-300ER operator and it seems to me it is a bit crazy to have both -300ER's and new A346E's.

The A340E might provide capabilities that the B777-300ER is out of reach. I would expect Air France to order the A340E if GE jump on board the project. One of the reasons that Air France did not order the A340-600 was that it only comes with RR.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10174 posts, RR: 97
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12701 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
The A340E might provide capabilities that the B777-300ER is out of reach

In order to be competitive, the heavier A345/6E would need to deliver this, and one would expect Airbus to plan for it.
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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12681 times:

Why would they replace A343s with A346Es? Are the routes that A343s are used on in need of more range-payload?

I guess engine choice will be an important factor here for AF, but I would be surprised if GE commits to an engine for the A346E as it would be a significant investment (as they don't have an A346 engine which they can upgrade) for what will likely be a split market (as RR will definitely have an engine for this aircraft if it is built) for an aircraft model that in all likelihood will have a limited shelf life.

[Edited 2006-02-24 20:34:51]

[Edited 2006-02-24 20:36:55]


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User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12663 times:

Does AF have any route that fit this kind of aircraft?

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12599 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
In order to be competitive, the heavier A345/6E would need to deliver this, and one would expect Airbus to plan for it.

If Air France is indeed looking into the A340E than this means that Airbus is offering them a good product. Dont forget how much Air France loves those B777.

I would only expect them to order the A340E is GE jumps on board. Other wise I doubt it very much.

Regards,
Wings I



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12514 times:

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Heard a rumour , coming from an A340 AF captain , telling they are studying the A340-600E to replace their A340-300s.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

AF will not buy any more A340 of any kind.
A343 are still in AF's fleet for quite a few years. AF has always been that kind of airline who is using its a/c "until the end".

When the time will come , the A343 will be replaced by more B772ER/B773ER and/or more A332. Eventually A350-X or B787.

Please, be serious and use you mind before according credit to such ridiculous allegations, even if (or especially if) it comes from a Captain ...  sarcastic 


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12479 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
I would only expect them to order the A340E is GE
jumps on board. Other wise I doubt it very much

Why would GE do that?

Are you guys implying that GE could use one of its current models on the A340E like GE90's or CF6-8E1s-IMO out of the question. The GENx is still years away from certification. GE and Airbus don't seem to be the best bed-fellows, the CF6 was hardly used on the A330's, not since the A300/310s have GE engines been popular on a Airbus.

The A340E would be best with RRs, in my opinion.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7616 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12456 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 7):
AF has always been that kind of airline who is using its a/c "until the end".

The 735's that it recently dropped from its fleet were still in reasonably good shape and I am sure they have found nice homes with less wealthy airlines that need small narrowbodies.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12413 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
If Air France is indeed looking into the A340E than this means that Airbus is offering them a good product.

Or maybe they are going through the motions to keep the powers that be in France placated. Remember there was a furor when AF wanted to buy 772ERs instead of more A343s. AF's CEO threatened to resign if AF was forced to buy only Airbus. After the French government relented and as a face saving measure for the politicos, they made some sort of commitment for A346s, which they conveniently got out of when it became an RR only aircraft.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12362 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 8):
Why would GE do that?

Are you guys implying that GE could use one of its current models on the A340E like GE90's or CF6-8E1s-IMO out of the question. The GENx is still years away from certification. GE and Airbus don't seem to be the best bed-fellows, the CF6 was hardly used on the A330's, not since the A300/310s have GE engines been popular on a Airbus.

The GEnx is pretty popular on the A350. CFMs sell well on A320s. And the GEnx will have to be certified in under 2.5 years for the 787 so I wouldn't call it years away. But GE will be starting from scratch to make an engine for the A346. And after years of griping by GE execs about the lack of ROI on the GE90, they have finally ended up in a position where they have exclusivity with GE90s on an aircraft that is dominating its sales category, so why detract from that.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12244 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
The 735's that it recently dropped from its fleet were still in reasonably good shape and I am sure they have found nice homes with less wealthy airlines that need small narrowbodies.

Right. And this is the best example to show that this "rumor" is stupid :
The B735 are retired because AF is targeting the most rationalized fleet, around only one a/c type for its short/medium haul (A318/19/20/21) to save money.
Just like LH is doing, AF could continue to operate its B735 beside its Airbus fleet ... But it simply doesn't fit with AF's fleet policy.


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12206 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 8):
GE and Airbus don't seem to be the best bed-fellows, the CF6 was hardly used on the A330's, not since the A300/310s have GE engines been popular on a Airbus.

Excuse me?

GE are a partner on the A350. Their engines power around half of all A320 family aircraft and all A340 series before the A345/6! GE is the lead partner in CFM. They also have a half stake in Engine Alliance, the manufacturer of the GP7200 for the A380.

Just because they didn't run away with A330 sales for the CF6 doesn't mean you can deduce Airbus and GE have fallen out of love. GE's finance arm GECAS is probably one of the biggest Airbus buyers in the world.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12060 times:

Flyssc

I perfectly know how to use my mind.
Telling it's ridiculous , is ONLY your opinion.

I never said AF will BUY the A340-600E , i just said reporting to what i heard they are studying it.Not more , not less.
So keep your disobliging comments for your mind.

That's said , and answering to serious questions above , it is absolutly not stupid they think at this plane to replace A340-300s.
The main continent where these A340-300s fly is Africa , and flights are always surbooked.A larger and more economic plane to operate on these routes will be totally perfect.
The fact that AF loves and have many T7s , do not exclude a new medium wide body (if they order quite many examples of it) if it proves it is superior to the T7s , what it could be if Airbus launches it.

Would like to point out the A350 or 787 will be too small to replace the A340-300s.Has someone heard one day AF is seriously looking at the A350 or 787 ?Never heard of that.Probably as all airlines thru the world they are studying both planes , but they are very far to place an order for one of the types.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11932 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Flyssc

I perfectly know how to use my mind.
Telling it's ridiculous , is ONLY your opinion.

I never said AF will BUY the A340-600E , i just said reporting to what i heard they are studying it.Not more , not less.
So keep your disobliging comments for your mind.

That's said , and answering to serious questions above , it is absolutly not stupid they think at this plane to replace A340-300s.
The main continent where these A340-300s fly is Africa , and flights are always surbooked.A larger and more economic plane to operate on these routes will be totally perfect.
The fact that AF loves and have many T7s , do not exclude a new medium wide body (if they order quite many examples of it) if it proves it is superior to the T7s , what it could be if Airbus launches it.

you have some good arguments, but I personally believe AF would either change the route to the A330 (flew AF A330 to DXB, great aircraft) or to 777's.......

to add another subtype, especially one which competes with the 777-300ER wouldn't make any sense, especially given that the 777 is killing the A340 in sales due to superior economics..

now if you had said SA, LH, IB, or VS, I would agree with it........but not AF.. no 

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
The 735's that it recently dropped from its fleet were still in reasonably good shape and I am sure they have found nice homes with less wealthy airlines that need small narrowbodies.

I was fortunate to fly on AF's 735 last summer.. biggrin 



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11932 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 13):
Excuse me?

GE are a partner on the A350. Their engines power around half of all A320 family aircraft and all A340 series before the A345/6! GE is the lead partner in CFM. They also have a half stake in Engine Alliance, the manufacturer of the GP7200 for the A380.

Just because they didn't run away with A330 sales for the CF6 doesn't mean you can deduce Airbus and GE have fallen out of love. GE's finance arm GECAS is probably one of the biggest Airbus buyers in the world.

Alright, I was wrong to say the GE and Airbus are not good partners. Your right about the wide use of CFM, I totally forgot about GE's part in CFM international.

I still stand by my opinion about GE not making a exclusive engine for the A340E, but my other comments where totally out of line.. my apologies.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11901 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
i just said reporting to what i heard they are studying it

But what you heard is a nonsense and is against everything AF is doing and saying since the past 10 years.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
The main continent where these A340-300s fly is Africa , and flights are always surbooked.A larger and more economic plane to operate on these routes will be totally perfect.

Wrong.
Additional seats will be provided by additional frequencies. Not by a bigger aircraft.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
The fact that AF loves and have many T7s , do not exclude a new medium wide body (if they order quite many examples of it) if it proves it is superior to the T7s

This "medium wide body" is called A332 and AF is already using it largely on its African network.
The A332 is not "superior" to the B777 as they don't aim at the same market. A332 & B777 are not competitors, but they are perfectly complementary.
On the other hand, on this particular African network, the A332 (twin engines)proved to be far superior in terms of costs to ... the A343 (four engines).

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Has someone heard one day AF is seriously looking at the A350 or 787 ?

It is been publicaly declared by AF's CEO J.C Spinetta, and reported in many news papers/websites/AF's internal news.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
but they are very far to place an order for one of the types.

Right. AF's fleet renewal plan is secured until 2010.
Until then AF could add some A332 or B77X to adjust its fleet but no real big changes.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Telling it's ridiculous , is ONLY your opinion.

It is not.
It is ONLY obvious when you know how AF works and what is AF's strategy for the next 10 coming years.

Within the next 5 years AF Long Fleet will be rationalized to its maximum with B772ER/B773ER, A332/A343, & A380... and maybe few remaining B744 but nothing is less sure.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11880 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17):

Within the next 5 years AF Long Fleet will be rationalized to its maximum with B772ER/B773ER, A332/A343, & A380... and maybe few remaining B744 but nothing is less sure.

I would add A319/320/321 also...



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11809 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
I would add A319/320/321 also...

Of course ... and A318 !
But I was talking about the Long Haul fleet ...  Wink


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11766 times:

Just out of interest - what will happen to the AF A340 in YYZ? Will it be replaced by a new/second-hand frame (A340/T7/A330 etc) or not at all?

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11745 times:

Cat in hells chance, as far as i can see.

The A343X/E's (whatever you want to call them) are very young and won't be replaced for a while.

The A340E won't even be in the same size bracket. Well maybe the A345E, but they've got loads of 777s to cover this area.

Seems totally unnecessary.


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11106 times:

I really can't see this going anywhere.

The cheerleaders here love to poke at anything they see as Airbus changing and refining offerings, but the facts are different.

Airbus is quite fluid in its operation, and floats all kinds of projects before they become set in stone. The A350 was a prime example, as a midlife upgrade to the A330 was on the boards but the market drove development in a different way. But the screeching in here was beyond belief about warmed over designs.

What they can't accept is that an A350 in its currrent form has been in the design stage for years now. Airbus and Boeing both have project development divisions which come up with specifications and designs, many of which go nowhere. Airbus has been more open with its floating procedures which drives the cheerleaders into a frenzy when one such proposal hits the buffers. The A350 initially had a basic A330 upgrade format and then more advanced proposals, already at advanced design stage, were brought out instead to meet market demands.

And this one is no different. Building an A340 in the way Air France might be interested (GE powered) would be expensive, although Qatar Airways might take a look. I can't see this go anywhere beyond a proposal, and an eventual Air France A350 purchase.


User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11090 times:

"They are studying".

Some guys are just doing their job of analysing all the future available products. I think it tells nothing wether or not they would order the aircraft.



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11067 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17):

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Telling it's ridiculous , is ONLY your opinion.

It is not.
It is ONLY obvious when you know how AF works and what is AF's strategy for the next 10 coming years.

Perhaps not all the people knows AF strategies as good as you...
We are so lucky to have people that knows simply everything... Isn't that amazing?  sarcastic 


I mean we all still don't know what will come out of the A340E, even if extremely unlikely with better economics than the T7 we don't know about it. Besides we should consider politics that can have a big role... Look at TG... They bought A340 after a T7 order... We never know.

Ciao
Joe


25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I knew I would be corrected by not putting that in......
26 Atmx2000 : TG bought A340's because they had problems adhering to ETOPS requirements.
27 Rolfen : Why airbus would still want to develop a 4-engines plane of the size of the a340 and why air france would still consider buying it is a mystery to me.
28 Trex8 : why can't GE derate the GEnx-2B67 from the 748 for any enhanced A345/6???? Present A345/6s Trent 500 engines only have 56K thrust anyway.
29 FlySSC : The A343 F-GLZQ has not been replaced. Before the accident, AF was operating a total of 21 A343 but the last A343 summer program was built for "only"
30 Cuprita : The A340-600 cant fight with the B777-300ER........
31 Post contains images Gkirk : Why would they need the A346 when they have 773ERs anyway? Not planning on becoming another Emirates are they?
32 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G�day Sounds like another "My mothers cousins uncles nephew overheard people dicussing this at the local pub" to me. But - Adding all the improve
33 Columba : It does seem very unlikely but who knows we have been surprised a lot over the years. Air France has a lot of qualified A330/A340 crews and technician
34 SA7700 : What if they cannot secure permanent additional frequencies? IIRC, not too long ago it was "reported" on a.net that AF applied for additional permane
35 Post contains images WINGS : First of all little is still known about the A340E. From what we know is that it will incorporate various upgrades taken from the A350 and A380. New e
36 FlySSC : In A.netters dreams maybe. Not in the real world. Would you say that SN Brussels/Swiss/Finnair or even TAP Portugal could buy the A380 ? I don't thin
37 Post contains links and images WINGS : Why not? In TAPs case the Portuguese Government may eventually decide not to build a new airport in Lisbon. This may mean that they will become slot
38 Post contains images FlySSC : I am not really crazy about the new TAP colorscheme but that's a nice "picture" !!! And after all, what would life look like without dreams ???
39 WINGS : Well thats true. Sometimes all we have are dreams. The tricky thing is turning them into reality. Regards, Wings
40 PM : That's used to be true but they've picked up a lot of the recent orders. Just last week they added Jet Airways to their list. They're still in third
41 OldAeroGuy : You all should remember that GE is a risk sharing partner on the 777-200LR/300ER. They put up money to fund the development and share the profits wit
42 Dutchjet : Two things - 1. Every major airline world wide looks at and analyzes new models and variants being offered by the manufacturers......AF is certainly i
43 Hb88 : I think it's probably better to wait and see what comes of the 340 HGW, 600, 700 and other interesting future variants in the family before saying nev
44 Trex8 : according to the FI article last year RR said there had been no IFSDs for the Trent 500 though LH had several unscheduled removals but most of the pr
45 OldAeroGuy : SQ did not respond to FI on A345 questions for the article. I don't believe SQ would agree that there have been no Trent 500 IFSDs.
46 Post contains images SA7700 : I absolutely agree! A very prominent (A.net) SA A346 cheerleader made the mistake, a year or so ago, by stating on this forum that SA's B744's would
47 N328KF : Exactly. GE didn't work their way to being on the top of the corporate "Best Run/Most Respected/Best Brand/Top Market Cap/etc" lists by being stupid.
48 Cruiser : Airbus would probably take about 5 years to get this plane developed and certified. During this time also, the 777 will continue to develop. Just last
49 Joni : I agree completely. I bet BA has been extensively studying the 380 as well, but that's just part of their job of running a huge international carrier
50 Trex8 : you are correct SQ did not respond and engage in a detailed interview, the no IFSD was the RR guy they interviewed talking about the Trent 500 in gen
51 Atmx2000 : I see no reason to take any offence at that. As I said in the portion of my response you didn't quote, AF has had political problems stemming from it
52 OldAeroGuy : But he didn't say no SQ IFSD.
53 Trex8 : but the RR guy said no fleet IFSD, I'll try dredge up the article off my office floor and look at it again but the RR guy said in one sub story no fl
54 AA777223 : Is this really true? From what I understand the A340-600 series is a competitor to the 777-300er. So what you're saying is that the boeing equivalent
55 Post contains images Jacobin777 : in a coupe of years AC will have completely abandoned the A340.... with due respect, I still dont' think AF are going to let "political pressure" cha
56 FlySSC : The (big) different is that AF is now a private company, not anymore owned by the French Gov. Moreover, one of the conditions imposed by J.C Spinetta
57 Post contains links Trex8 : My memory is shot!! There have been Trent 500 IFSDs as they have a figure of 0.004/1000hr! http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...9/Early+engine+snags
58 OldAeroGuy : The following is an excerpt from the FI article, quoting the Lufthansa interviewee. ...The airline has been generally pleased with the performance of
59 Cruiser : Exactly my point...AC abandoned the A340, but the outcome of that order might have been different had Airbus had a much better offering in the A340-6
60 OldAeroGuy : " target=_blank>http://www.ihi.co.jp/ihi/technology/...1.pdf Yes, but the IFSD for the competing engine, GE90-115B, is 0.000/1000hr. Possible, but it
61 Jacobin777 : yes.....I agree..but its a moot point at this juncture........
62 Trex8 : wait a few years and you will see an IFSD on a -115! there are far fewer 77Ws in service than A345/6s which also have double the number of engines so
63 Trex8 : the envelope size is (according to this years AWST source book) 97in for the Trent vs 104 for the GEnX on the 748 (and 114in for the 787/A350). I cou
64 FCKC : Once again would like to point out 4 comments 1 I never said they will purchase A340-600Es , but ONLY are studying it , as probably some other airline
65 OldAeroGuy : The statistic is per engine hour, so having four engines doesn't change the engine hour based rate. I have no doubt that eventually there will a GE90
66 Trex8 : yes, but the point is if you have eg 2 million hours on one engine type and only 250,000 on another the figures aren't truely comparable till both ha
67 LTU932 : Yet LH is considering to buy the 747-8I to operate side by side with the A380s. So why can't AF also consider something else? Though if LH would buy
68 PM : I don't believe the two situations are strictly comparable. GE bought absolute exclusivity on the 777W in return for underwriting part of the develop
69 Trex8 : given GE will be developing a 67K thrust engine for the 748, I can't see there is much cost to them to make a 60K engine for any new A345/6. Whether
70 OldAeroGuy : Don't forget that GE also has an exclusive deal on the 747-8. Putting the GEnX on the A345/6 would also create an additional competitor for the 747-8
71 PM : No, it wouldn't "create" a competitor. The competitor would already exist with RR engines whether or not GE chose to come to the party. GE aren't (ye
72 OldAeroGuy : But GE would now be in competition with RR on the A346E for orders in a small order base market, a situation GE has taken great pains to avoid.
73 PM : Indeed, and that's probably why they won't do it but GE getting on board the A340E wouldn't "create" a competitor if RR were already there.
74 Trex8 : but 4 engines sold on a 748 as opposed to a A346 is probably not a big deal in terms of $$ to GE. Having a competitor to RR on the A346E will put GE
75 Post contains links and images AirbusA346 : If AF went for the A346 it would look something like this. Edit: Click to enlarge, to get a better view. Tom.[Edited 2006-02-26 21:56:39]
76 Atmx2000 : But didn't the Trent 500 problems show up early? I don't think exclusivity on the A340NG was a forever deal, and would be ending soon, certainly befo
77 Atmx2000 : If GE were chasing marketshare that would certainly make sense. But they don't have unlimited funds to pursue that strategy. The A346E would first ha
78 Post contains images FlySSC : Really nice !!! The A340 always looks great in AF colors ... Too bad this will never hapen...
79 Post contains images Jacobin777 : first, they are considering it, no one really knows if they are going to purchase it or not.....not to mention, LH already has a lot of 747's in thei
80 Atmx2000 : Good point, unless GE expects that there will be lots of new customers for the A340NG-E, they would likely not have much marketshare on that platform
81 Trex8 : yes and if the Trents IFSD now after several years service was as good or bad (0.005/1000hr) as the whole GE90 program after many years, it can proba
82 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : A bit OT but A340's would make me go back to AF as those noisy GE90 engines are awful for pax comfort compared to the silence of the CFM's. UTA
83 Kaneporta1 : Actually, it wouldn't look like this, the image lacks the customary AF dirt all over the fuselage...
84 Post contains images WINGS : How could we forget that major detail that easily distinguishes the Air France Euro White color scheme from all the others. Regards, Wings
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