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More AA Spring Schedule Changes @ STL  
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9372 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

* come March, fourth (intermittent daily) flight between St. Louis and Indy.

* come early April, Seattle and San Francisco bump to three daily

* early April, San Diego drops to one daily, Tampa drops to two daily.

* come April, Dallas/Ft. Worth drops to eight daily, of course, four Love Field flights begin first of March.


is a second daily ultimately planned to come back into the schedules to San Diego like it did last summer, or not so much?

[Edited 2006-02-25 05:23:39]


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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
Tampa drops to two daily.
TPA has always been at two daily. They operate 3 daily on Sat. during the busy winter months. There could be more schedules changes on the next schedule change this weekend. We will see. Does anybody know for sure if the STL-SRQ is gonig to be seasonal or suspended? Also, Eagle is resuming a second daily flight to JFK.

[Edited 2006-02-25 06:30:16]

User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Has anyone checked out the seven (7) nonstops to BNA this spring/summer?? I don't remember there ever being that many from STL under AA's schedule. Also DEN goes up to six daily. United goes to six daily to DEN as well and F9 goes to five daily in August-- this might not happen but the schedule showed it the last time. Wow if WN were to start service we would have more flights to DEN than DFW/DAL

User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 2):
Has anyone checked out the seven (7) nonstops to BNA this spring/summer??

Yea, I'm suprised. AA Eagle is switching its STL-CID to STL-BNA.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
* early April, San Diego drops to one daily, Tampa drops to two daily.

* come April, Dallas/Ft. Worth drops to eight daily, of course, four Love Field flights begin first of March.

Tampa has been a daily flight in past summers, it would be nice to see it stick around at 2x year round. Same case with FLL, except it has been weekend only in past summers. This summer it looks like FLL wil stick around at once daily throughout.

We actually lose one flight and quite a few seats (6 or 7 757's to 3 757's?), so that's not good. I guess we did gain 4 extra dailies on the WN side of it, so overall a net gain in seats just not for AA.

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 1):
Does anybody know for sure if the STL-SRQ is gonig to be seasonal or suspended? Also, Eagle is resuming a second daily flight to JFK.

I would bet on SRQ being seasonal. As I just said TPA usually lost a daily flight in past summers and I wouldn't be surprised to see SRQ follow suit.

The 2nd daily JFK flight is a good and a bad thing. For one, it hurts our slim or non-existant chances of ever landing some direct or nonstop service to Europe.

AA looks to be done with adding on in St. Louis for the most part. They had added about a net gain of 15 daily after about a year and a half, but since then smaller markets such as BMI, CMI, etc. have been dropped. Overall seats are up, which is a good thing, but I really don't see much AA growth in our future.

[Edited 2006-02-25 09:02:56]

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9372 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

i still wonder about the San Diego flight. i figured bookings would go *up* in the summer and we'd still see the second flight.

i am most surprised about the fourth flight on the RJ to Indy.

also, the number of flights to Chicago remains the same but there is a rescheduling of many of the flights come the first of April.



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

does anyone know yet what will happen to the Trans States routes that are currently operated with J41's that will not switch to ERJ when Trans States goes all jet? I think there were a few cities, like PIA, COU & SGF that were maybe in talks to get the service replaces by RegionsAir....

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5621 times:

Is STL still considered a hub for AA?

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 7):
Is STL still considered a hub for AA?

Yes, very much so.

Alex



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5479 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 6):
I think there were a few cities, like PIA, COU & SGF that were maybe in talks to get the service replaces by RegionsAir....

PIA was dropped February 1. If service could resume under RegionsAir, that would be good.

DPJ


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 7):
Is STL still considered a hub for AA?

Guess it depends on your version of a hub. If you consider over 200 mainline and regional flights per day a hub, then so be it. AA looks at STL as a "hub".

Looking at it from a different angle, if there are few if any connecting opportunities, then is it still a hub, as defined by the "hub and spoke"?? I would look at STL as more of a "focus city", with the "focus" on the O&D passenger.

Just my opinion...


User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

AA connection is also ending STL-HOU sometime in March.

User currently offlineSTLTOWER From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

If I remember correctly, I couldnt find STL-SGF in the schedule as of mid May.

I too am wondering how Regions (or if) will pick up any of these routes that TSA is dropping. Maybe they will use some of the Jetstreams that are currently flying the STL-BNA route and put them into serivce to COU, JLN or DEC.

I honestly dont think we will have STL-SPI anymore because I dont think Regions would find it profitable to compete with Jetstream 31s up aginst United Connection RJs (which seem to go five time a day to ORD).


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

STL is a big ghost town after about 5pm. I was based there as my first base with my current company, Not much goes on at STL. AA is not as great as when they first merged with TW. All the ex-TW flights are long gone, as well as the environment that TW provided.



Sean from MCO and SDF



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 10):
Guess it depends on your version of a hub. If you consider over 200 mainline and regional flights per day a hub, then so be it. AA looks at STL as a "hub".

Looking at it from a different angle, if there are few if any connecting opportunities, then is it still a hub, as defined by the "hub and spoke"?? I would look at STL as more of a "focus city", with the "focus" on the O&D passenger.

Just my opinion...

Exxactly.

AA technically considers STL to be a hub. But when you look at the size of some of AA's other hubs and then their other focus cities, AA is much closer in size to those focus cities than it is to the hubs.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 11):
AA connection is also ending STL-HOU sometime in March.

That route just started last year!! First VPS now HOU whats next? SRQ and PVR? How come these new AA ex.STL routes always get drastically reduced or cut?



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 15):
That route just started last year!! First VPS now HOU whats next? SRQ and PVR? How come these new AA ex.STL routes always get drastically reduced or cut?

Because they're not profitable?  Wink



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
Because they're not profitable?

That's probably correct, but it just gets annoying seeing AA add these routes only to drop them a few months later.  wink 



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 17):

That's probably correct, but it just gets annoying seeing AA add these routes only to drop them a few months later.

Ahh it is just testing stages to see if it works, if it doesn't work they drop it. Every airline does it as you should know, but it is nice to see AA trying to fly the routes.

Alex



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User currently offlineSTLTOWER From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Also these routes like STL-SRQ, HOU and others might be dropped to free up RJs for the new RJ services that are starting like STL-CID, MSN, MEM and XNA. If I understand correctly the AA connection operation at STL is limited in the number of RJs they can operate. So if TSA is dropping the Jetstreams and they want to continue service to some of these cities the only thing they can do is move some RJs around.

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
AA technically considers STL to be a hub. But when you look at the size of some of AA's other hubs and then their other focus cities, AA is much closer in size to those focus cities than it is to the hubs.

A hub is a hub when an airline calls it a hub. AA calls STL a hub, so it's a hub.

Jeremy


User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Quoting STLTOWER (Reply 19):
Also these routes like STL-SRQ, HOU and others might be dropped to free up RJs for the new RJ services that are starting like STL-CID, MSN, MEM and XNA. If I understand correctly the AA connection operation at STL is limited in the number of RJs they can operate. So if TSA is dropping the Jetstreams and they want to continue service to some of these cities the only thing they can do is move some RJs around.

That may be true, but I thought I read on here that TSA was putting some planes into the AA Connection and United Express banners as they stop flying for US Airways Express. Also, STL-HOU was flown by Chautauqua.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 21):
That may be true, but I thought I read on here that TSA was putting some planes into the AA Connection and United Express banners as they stop flying for US Airways Express. Also, STL-HOU was flown by Chautauqua.

Houston being cancelled surprises me. If they can make money on lighter routes like LIT, OKC, and TUL while competing with WN, I wonder why they can't on a heavy route like HOU? Odd.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 15):
That route just started last year!! First VPS now HOU whats next? SRQ and PVR? How come these new AA ex.STL routes always get drastically reduced or cut?

VPS was a complete shot in the dark anyway, I really didn't think it would stick around too long. SRQ is probably seasonal, and PVR is flown like 12 times a year.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 20):
A hub is a hub when an airline calls it a hub. AA calls STL a hub, so it's a hub.

In the technical sense, maybe. I'd consider LAX or BOS to be more of a hub than STL, though both are considered to be focus cities while STL is considered to be a hub. BOS and LAX both have similar numbers of flights, both are AE hubs, and both have something STL doesn't, AA international service.

"Hub" is somewhat of an ambigous term. STL is my home airport and I consider it to be more of a glorified focus city than a genuine hub, regardless of what AA calls it. You can call it whatever you want, I'll call it a glorified focus city.



PHX based
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 23):
BOS and LAX both have similar numbers of flights,

STL - 212 daily AA flights
LAX - 146 daily AA flights
BOS - 87 daily AA flights

Quoting 777STL (Reply 23):
STL doesn't, AA international service.

AA flies STL-PVR seasonally, and STL-CUN will resume later this year.



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25 777STL : I count ~85 mainline flights for LAX compared to ~45 mainline flights for STL. Boston rang in at ~40 mainline flights. I understand you mean both AA
26 Stl1326 : AA operates 59 daily mainline flights. I was hoping this would return. Do you know like what time frame, mid or late summer ect.?
27 Stl1326 : I was browsing Lambert's website to see the how many passengers we had go through Lambert for 2005 and they still haven't updated it. Does anyone know
28 LambertMan : 14.7 million, about a 1.3 million person increase.
29 Stl1326 : Thanks. Almost made it to 15 million, pretty strong increase in passengers from a year ago.
30 Phuebner : I read up on AA quite a bit and I noticed that on their website, they mentioned STL as a hub, as well as BOS and JFK. I consider them hubs if this is
31 Drerx7 : Understandable--I flew the route a couple of weeks ago--going there were 16 passengers on board returning there were 8. We could have all loaded up i
32 Stl1326 : That doesn't suprise me. Just by looking at the seatmaps online, always more than half the seats are available.
33 STLGph : I was surprised that Hobby was selected. most of the St. Louis to Houston traffic tends to prefer Intercontinental Airport.
34 Kanebear : Frequency,competition, and equipment. WN has two nonstop flights per day to the markets you've mentioned. WN has 5 N/S per day HOU-STL and 8 flights
35 MIASkies : Ok STL has 50-something mainline flights, how many AA Flights out MIA? and AE Flights out of MIA? Are STL flights to MIA RJ or Mainline?
36 Atrude777 : Mainline, 2 757 I think if I recall. Alex
37 BHMNONREV : Mainline. 2 X 757 per day, rumored to possibly go to three in the near future. Demand on these flights is very high..
38 777STL : I believe STL-MIA-STL is strictly 757s as MIA is MD80 free, and STL doesn't see regular scheduled 737 service. Well as long as you want to split hair
39 STLGph : they are 757's and very full 757's at that. AA hasn't had 737's in St. Louis on a "scheduled" basis since later in 2004.
40 Atrude777 : If a 3rd is added would it be another 757? Last 737 was -800 and BOS-STL-SNA was the flight right? Alex
41 BHMNONREV : According to Mark (MAH4546) who posted this here several months ago, the answer would be yes. But again, just a rumor.. Correct sir... Alex, any new
42 STLGph : yep. bos - stl - sna - stl - bos. it was put into the schedules on Nov 1, 2003 and still appears on the old timetables i have printed out from the sp
43 Stl1326 : On a Saturday, I would most likely agree, but during the week(Mon-Fri) AA operates as of April 3: BOS-2 DCA-3 LGA-5 MIA-2 FLL-1 TPA-2 RSW-2 MCO-3 MSY
44 Post contains links and images Atrude777 : There you go man! Alex
45 Post contains images BHMNONREV : Thanks for the pics Alex, in spite of how depressing they are... Gate 51, that is an oldie there. I can't remember how long it has been since Lambert
46 TxAgKuwait : >>Frequency,competition, and equipment. WN has two nonstop flights per day to the markets you've mentioned. WN has 5 N/S per day HOU-STL and 8 flights
47 Atrude777 : It appears they pulled it out of the closest to put the "new old" ones in for the new digital Moniter screens. I was completely shocked to see 51, it
48 777STL : You should have "borrowed" one of them....
49 MAH4546 : MIA is 21 ERJ-140s, 29 ATR-72s, and 208 mainline flights on the busiest day.
50 Post contains images Atrude777 : Who me?! I would never.... Actually, I saw them before boarding my STL-DFW flight, I wasn't gonna drag it around in Dallas, and I was way to tired to
51 Post contains images TVNWZ : Atrude777: Wow. Depressing. Used to fly alot out of C. Mostly to PHX. L-1011 left from the east end gates. Left out of the end of the concourse for OR
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