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Oman Air To Order Widebodies  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

Oman Air plans to order 3 widebodied aircraft, the Gulf Airline is looking at Boeing's 787 and Airbus' A350 and A330 aircraft.

The airline plans to order 3 or more aircraft this year  Smile

What are the possible routes for the new aircraft... MCT-LHR, MCT-BKK..?

The airline currently operates regional routes in the Gulf using a fleet of 737NG's and ATR-42's

I would suspect the 787 is a top condender as the airline already operates a small 737 fleet, but Airbus could also win the order  Smile

http://www.oman-air.com/


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User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
I would suspect the 787 is a top condender as the airline already operates a small 737 fleet, but Airbus could also win the order

I´ll second that, I read an article about them which included an interview with their CEO who said that they are satisfied with the Boeing product. But you never now, maybe Airbus gives them a good deal.
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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

There is a large british community in Muscat and I would assume first wide-body flights would target London and maybe Manchester.
Obviously like many Gulf-countries population from the sub-indian continent is well represented and would make flight -as usual- to Bombay,Madras,Cochin ,Bangalore and Karachi a secondary target.
I don't see Muscat-Sydney flights,as the competition from EK is too big.
But Frankfurt,Paris,Manila,Djakarta and Amsterdam would figure high on my guess-list.
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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

Pretty much all other airlines in the region (Gulf, Emirates, Qatar, Etihad) fly the A330. That might be a pointer. The other factor is when they want to start these flights. It may be a long wait for a 787 or an A350 whereas the A330 could be in service next year.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12430 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

This has actually been heralded for some time and it would not surprise me if, in due course, Oman withdrew from GF and it became a BAH only airline.

Oman Air would probably try to emulate the other "Gulf" carriers and establish themselves as a Europe (primarily UK) - MCT - India/FE airline.

I'm actually flying out there next week ... with GF, to BOM via MCT.

As to which aircraft they would choose, I'd imagine that the 787 would be at the top of the list.

Remember it's only two years until the first 787 enters service; don't know what their planning timescale is, but if they were to get 787 production slots from a cancelled or deferred order (Primaris, NW?) or a lessor, they might be able to get them by 2008-9.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

The beginning of the end of Gulf Air as a multi-national airline... Looks like it will call only BAH as its home, very soon.


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

My top picks are: LHR/LGW, FRA, CDG, KUL or CGK to SIN and maybe MAN. BTW its sad to hear that the Africa flights are ending  Sad


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4772 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

If they can wait till 2011 then B 787-800, if they cant and want it in 2 years time then A 330-200.

Routes mentioned for the widebodied are MCT-LHR, MCT-BOM, MCT-BKK and MCT-DEL only.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
Pretty much all other airlines in the region (Gulf, Emirates, Qatar, Etihad) fly the A330. That might be a pointer. The other factor is when they want to start these flights. It may be a long wait for a 787 or an A350 whereas the A330 could be in service next year.

They could have 787s in 2, maybe 3 years potentially, especially if NW cancels their order, which doesn't look too far out right now.

Also, the 787 looks to have substantially better economics than A330, and marginally better economics than A350. Plus, the prestige of flying on a brand-new, ground up aircraft. It was like when 757 or A320 came out, there was a prestige attached to buying them. Boeing has marketed the 787 really well.

If they bought 73Gs, and are happy, i'm not sure why they'd move over to Airbus. Except that my understanding is that Airbus is giving A340s away, practically (and with their fuel consumption, it's still not a good deal), and have been making pretty good deals on the A330 as well. Too bad Boeing refuses to be more aggressive in selling 767s, maybe they could sell a few more.

A lot of gulf region airlines opperate A330, but they will also opperate 787s as well (atleast, some of them).



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 8):
A lot of gulf region airlines opperate A330, but they will also opperate 787s as well (atleast, some of them).

Well, the four major Gulf airlines have all ordered the A330 so that's a fact. None has so far ordered the 787. I have no doubt that the 787 will sell there but I'd say you are mixing fact with expectation.


User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4947 times:
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I think Oman will buy the plane that fills their needs. I think 787 is a legitimate contender. However this maybe over kill but depending on their freight business the 772ER might be the right plane for them. As for the 767-300ER if Oman Air wanted to order the 763 with the 777 style interior I am sure Boeing would give them a reasonable price. Lan and JAL are recieving new 763'S.

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Thanks for the replys  Smile

I hope Oman recieves some widebodies soon, I can't wait to try their long haul product  Smile

Does anyone know if Swiss does any well on their MCT services?

I may take a trip to MCT in June  Smile

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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 4601 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Oman Air would probably try to emulate the other "Gulf" carriers and establish themselves as a Europe (primarily UK) - MCT - India/FE airline.

Plus, there're still a few cities in India/FE that no ME airlines have really tapped into yet, a mid size aircraft like 787/A350 would work really well.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
The beginning of the end of Gulf Air as a multi-national airline... Looks like it will call only BAH as its home, very soon.

It's long over due, IMO it'll be more efficient for GF to concentrate on BAH rather than spreading planes/resources between multiple hubs.


User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
The beginning of the end of Gulf Air as a multi-national airline... Looks like it will call only BAH as its home, very soon.

The beginning was EK, a further step was QR. For me it looks like that GF will have very bad time again.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4531 times:
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A real setback for GF... again but after all, analysts were expecting that move.
As stated above, all GF has to do now is to concentrate its strenght to Bahrain and only Bahrain !!

FB.



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User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

The airline's CEO was interviewed by Neemah Wardeh on BBC "Middle East Business Report". He admitted Oman Air was a small company which would never compete with the likes of Emirates and Etihad, at least in the short-term. He also hinted very clearly that Oman would withdraw from Gulf Air "eventually".
What I found shocking in this interview was the man's very humble English and almost complete absence of technical airline terminologies which a 5-year old would understand. He lacks the ability to articulate advanced ideas and quite frankly the airline will not go anywhere notable with that man at the helm.
Just my 2 cents worth of opinion.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12488 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4463 times:
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Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 15):

Probably using the same simple language that most airline CEOs would if they were interviewed in Arabic?



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User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Scbriml,
The BBC interview was carried out in English.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 15):
What I found shocking in this interview was the man's very humble English and almost complete absence of technical airline terminologies which a 5-year old would understand. He lacks the ability to articulate advanced ideas and quite frankly the airline will not go anywhere notable with that man at the helm.
Just my 2 cents worth of opinion.

And that's all its really worth....

Are you saying that use of complicated jargon is the only way to recognise a capable person? I think the ability to communicate in simple and uncomplicated language is a great asset....


User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

"I think the ability to communicate in simple and uncomplicated language is a great asset...."

That is correct.

"Are you saying that use of complicated jargon is the only way to recognise a capable person?"

Definitely not, nor did I imply that. I simply meant to say the airline is better off with an articulate CEO, not someone who will stutter and use "ummmmm" this and "ummmmmmm" that, before expressing an obvious idea.

It is my hunch that the CEO was appointed because 1) He is an Omani and 2) government wants him there because of his govt. / family connections.

The BBC interview did not show his credentials, if any. He did not even bother to explain to the audience why they should fly Oman Air. Instead, he sat back, looking bored, and dwelling on the fact that Oman is a small country.

You seem to have taken an offense from my remarks. Are you an OMANAIR insider?

[Edited 2006-02-26 16:17:48]

[Edited 2006-02-26 16:19:38]


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User currently offlineDannypro45 From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Any news on GF's aircraft order...I read some were that they planing to pump in $900mill to get ride of there B763ER's and standardize there fleet ????

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9779 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Remember it's only two years until the first 787 enters service; don't know what their planning timescale is, but if they were to get 787 production slots from a cancelled or deferred order (Primaris, NW?) or a lessor, they might be able to get them by 2008-9.

I'm not so sure about that. Aren't the first few years of the 787 production already fully booked (even taking into account possible cancellations)? I would guess if any airline will order the 787 now will have to wait until at least 2010-12 to receive their 787, right? So delivery at the moment for new orders isn't just 2 years away from now but rather 4 years or more, anyone with more detailed insight in the 787 production here?

A388


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
I would guess if any airline will order the 787 now will have to wait until at least 2010-12 to receive their 787, right? So delivery at the moment for new orders isn't just 2 years away from now but rather 4 years or more, anyone with more detailed insight in the 787 production here?

Given such a situation, would Boeing do something to increase the rate of production? Else, it might just boomerang on Boeing as customers who don't want to wait that long might opt for the A350.....


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

I'm curious to know how much longer Oman Air plans to be updating their site, I've been going to it off and on for about a year now, and its always been that same page...

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Beaucaire-

What is the photograph of? Nice!



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25 Post contains links RogerThat : Looks to me like Al Nakhal Fort... http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldgui...ions/middle-east/oman?v=images&a=3 but I like Beaucaire's photo better than
26 Post contains links Beaucaire : http://www.ibiblio.org/edweb/oman-dubai/nakhal.html The picture was taken in early 2006 -currently restaurations work going on-yes it is Al Nakhal -wh
27 Andessmf : I want your opinion on the tremendous growth of the airlines of the region and whether it is justified. I spoke to my brother, who lived in Dubai for
28 Georgiabill : Still think Oman may go 773ER'S. Perhaps over kill but with frieght may work
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