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Major Mexican ATC Radar Outage  
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6147 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

There has been a major outage of some mexico's airspace radar. Alaska alone has 4 flights that have been held on the ground 3-4 hours from Mexico City to Cancun.

Anyone else having some major issue's?

Ghost, you have any info?

ASLAX


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25416 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Yup they have had an outage affecting Mexico City Center airspacen for the last couple hours. Lots of diversions to places like Acapulco.

http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=59&adv_date=02252006



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User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

The list of airports/cities as they appear on the link that Laxintl gave: San Luis Potosi, Oaxaca, Queretaro, Morelia, Acapulco, Zihuatanejo, Mexico City, Leon, Toluca, Puebla, Manzanillo and Guadalajara.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25416 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3503 times:

Looks like things are getting back to normal.. Diversion recovery flights being launched.


ATCSCC ADVZY 004 ALL/ZMC 02/26/2006 MEXICO CITY CENTER UPDATE
MEXICO CITY CENTER [ZMC] HAS RETURNED TO NORMAL OPERATIONS



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

It started abou 5pm, lot´s of diverisions, power blackout at MEX atc center, so MEX fir was out of service for a while, airports without service:
MLM, BJX,TAM,ACA,ZCL,VER,CVJ,TLC,QRO,PBC,ZLO,ZIH,OAX and lot more.
Lot´s of diversions, that included IB,LH,KL, etc etc etc.

All back to normal about 8:25pm, but the queue for landing was about 45 minutes (35 for take off).

Saludos



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User currently offlineAM From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3339 times:
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This was definitely the most unusual thing I've ever experienced at my home airport. I got there for some spotting at about 6pm, and it seemed so weird no ops were taking place. I found out that the airport had been closed for about an hour at that time. The thought of a bomb threat or something similar crossed my mind. And for some reason, the fact that there was a NW A330 at one of the hardstands made it all even more rare (a fellow spotter later let me know this was the aircraft that flew in the Rolling Stones, and it was supposed to leave for DTW at 6:30pm). After 5 or 10 minutes of frequency monitoring with my scanner, I realized what was going on.

Of course, I had to stay there until everything started to get back to normal. The 1st flight took-off at 7:12pm, MX952 to GDL. The sequence got going really slow, with ATC having to allow 5 minutes between take-offs, most probably to check all systems before going full capacity.

As you can imagine, company frequencies were going crazy. Flights returning to gates, pilots asking for more food or water for their upset passengers, some crews asking for passenger deplaning, and so on. The flights that were already on the queue for take-off, except for one (MX952, which was able to stay at one of the holding points for runway 05R), eventually had to restart their engines and return to a gate or hardstand, since their APUs were already starting to consume fuel destined for flight. A MX 757 holding at a different point for departure on 05R had to return to the ramp since a passenger was having severe kidney stone-related pain, according to what the pilot reported to company, and an onboard doctor was recommending immediate ambulance assistance. What I didn't like at all about this particular case, is that the crew originally requested their company to arrange for an ambulance and an airstairs vehicle to rendezvous with the 757 at their current location, but for some reason this didn't happen, and the airplane had to restart engines, taxi all the way to the nearest available hardstand, and then finally have the passenger deplaned. Too much bureaucracy for a situation requiring more effective action, I'd say.

During all this time, ground and clearance frequencies were giving flights sequence numbers for pushback and ATC clearance orders, respectively. So, for example, a flight with a sequence no. of 25 for pushback already had ATC clearance onboard, but a flight with a clearance sequence no. of 34 had to wait until everything got running, then wait for other 33 flights to copy their ATC clearance, and then call ground and join the queue with the other dozens of flights that were already waiting for their turn to pushback.

At about 7:30pm, airplanes started to take-off immediately after the previous one, without the 5 minute spacing. The first landing took place at about 7:45pm, an AM MD-80. NW9845, the A330 to DTW, finally took-off at 8:07pm, and I left the airport.

One more thing worth mentioning. I expected that when operations finally resumed, the airport would be crazy with a big number of airplanes pushing-back at the same time, a take-off queue of at least 15 aircraft, etc. But it wasn't like that. There were not many pushbacks at 1st, so not too many aircraft were getting to the holding point for departure. Maybe with some flights having deplaned passengers and for some other reason not fully ready at the time operations got going again, not everyone could just pushback and go just like that.

But what is really puzzling me right now, is what the heck happened to all the flights that were in the Mexico City Center airspace (either going to MEX or not) at the moment the power outage occurred. How effective radar and communications coverage could the adjacent centers (Monterrey, Mérida and Mazatlán) have really been able to provide? How were flights directed to their alterns (ACA, GDL, BJX, etc.), when all of these airports are also located within the Mexico City Center jurisdiction? This has really got to be something to talk about.

Cheers,
AM



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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

myTELUS reports:

Power failure closes Mexico City airport for nearly 3 hours

MEXICO CITY (AP) - A power failure knocked out a radar system at the Mexican capital's airport Saturday, forcing the airport to close for nearly three hours and affecting 32 flights, officials said.
Jose Luis Uribe, a spokesman for Benito Juarez International Airport, said a technical problem at a power substation within a special grid feeding only the airport caused one of the control tower's radar systems to go dark at about 4:15 p.m. local time.

Officials corrected the problem and reopened the airport just before 7 p.m., Uribe said.

Some 20 departures were delayed or cancelled and 12 scheduled arrivals were diverted to the western cities Acapulco and Guadalajara or Veracruz on the Gulf coast. Flights also landed in the northern city Monterrey and in Morelia, in central Michoacan state.

© The Canadian Press, 2006


http://www.mytelus.com/news/article....D=cp_travel_home&articleID=2182427

Comparing this to wht our fellow friend N405MX reported (and he is on the ground, front line), It looks like the issue was somewhat minimized by someone, eh what?

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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 6):
Comparing this to wht our fellow friend N405MX reported (and he is on the ground, front line), It looks like the issue was somewhat minimized by someone, eh what?

really minimized  wideeyed 

Here at MTY it saturated about 6:00pm, with 6A flights, with IJ flights, ZE flights and MX flights.

MX160 MTY-MEX alternate TAM
MX851 DEN-MEX alternate MTY
MX1692 EZE-MEX alternate HUX
AM235 MTY-GDL delayed 3hrs
IJ114 MTY-TLC Cancelled
IJ117 MTY-TLC delayed 3:30 hrs
ZE157 MEX-MTY arrived at 2:30am
MX801 ORD-MEX declared alternate MTY but made a wait pattern and proceeded to MEX.

And a lot more, IB misscnx a lot of passengers because of the delays, also AM have a lot of delayed flights; AM943 MTY-MEX normally departs at 9:30pm, it departed 2:00am. MTY was a "controlled" chaos  fight 

MX809 MTY-BJX went IFR to GDL and there VFR to BJX.

MEX center was not acepting any flight from anywhere, so you can get and idea of how this was.

Saludos



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting AM (Reply 5):
But what is really puzzling me right now, is what the heck happened to all the flights that were in the Mexico City Center airspace (either going to MEX or not) at the moment the power outage occurred. How effective radar and communications coverage could the adjacent centers (Monterrey, Mérida and Mazatlán) have really been able to provide?

So effective that there was no incident/accidents! Cheers for the ATC's who were yesterday in charge of airspace security!

ghost77 APM



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
So effective that there was no incident/accidents! Cheers for the ATC's who were yesterday in charge of airspace security!

Indeed, one of the better trained atc´s are the ones of SENEAM, they handle a lot of flights visual to MEX while the rest where sent to the alternates.

Saludos



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User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Is there any FIR in the world with a backup radar system?
does that exists at all in any continent??

Would it be possible for Mexico center to learn from this and prepare for this kind of thing for the future?



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 10):
Would it be possible for Mexico center to learn from this and prepare for this kind of thing for the future?

I'm sure they will learn! Whatever was the cause of this failure I'm sure they'll take it's precautions for next events of the kind!

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

It's still not clear to me what caused the failure, some sources say it was a power overload and others say that it was because they had a power outage,

probably one caused the other,

or probably I'm just tripping,

haha lol!!



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 12):
It's still not clear to me what caused the failure, some sources say it was a power overload and others say that it was because they had a power outage,

Heard that was the sub-station that gives power to SENEAM, CFE was there for abou 5 hours trying to fix the whole thing, when that thing went down, the emergency generator was also down, something really bad happened.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11):
Whatever was the cause of this failure I'm sure they'll take it's precautions for next events of the kind!

Indeed, and now with all the complains presented by the airlines, they will, as some airlines will seek to get paid for all the inconveniences caused.

Saludos



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