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Rumor About IND Is It True?  
User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

I have heard from several people at IND that when the new airport termial opens they are going to be tring really hard to land a deal with a European Carrier to serve the airport non-stop? Is there any truth in that any one know? Or see it even happening?
Eric


"Its not what your country can do for you its what you can do for your country" JFK
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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9164 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11317 times:

They have Cargolux flying into IND (already or starting soon).

For passenger services - there is no connectivity to justify a European service. Unless local business "subsidizes" a service to Europe by buying a given numb er fo seats for 3 years at least, any airline would rather add a fequency in DTW or ORD.

BTW - the CV service works on a similar deal with a cargo customer.



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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11261 times:

Me personaly i was thinking of like KLM flying non-stop to IND from AMS. Where people from around Indiana could drive to IND then go to AMS and connect to where they need to go. That would give the city of Indianapolis money and AMS i am sure. Looks good to when a big company wants to HQ or something here in IND like Eli Lilly. THey fly all over. A non-stop for them would be for sure something they would like.


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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11145 times:

I have also heard this rumor before. I would say , based on what I heard,that if the US/EU openskies goes through that perhaps there would be a few flights a week between IND and maybe LHR or perhaps LGW. If that proves successful than the flights could be expanded to perhaps daily.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11126 times:

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 2):
Me personaly i was thinking of like KLM flying non-stop to IND from AMS. Where people from around Indiana could drive to IND then go to AMS and connect to where they need to go

That would be a joint decision by NW/KL to fly IND-AMS. Do you think the market can support 250+ passengers a day?


User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11095 times:

Not sure if it could support a 1x daily. But for sure probably 2-3 times a week. I think you would get some support for a LHR over probably a AMS. I think Eli Lilly, could possibly buy some seats on that sector. ??? any thoughts. If LHR can in or LGW what would be the carrier? United AA or BA?


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User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11086 times:

Too bad 757's didn't have just a bit longer legs.IND BDL BUF and a flew other city's are perfect for a 180 seat A/C to Europe.

User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11086 times:

what about a 767??? from IND.


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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11078 times:

Of course they're going to try. But how many bigger cities without nonstop service to Europe are ahead of IND on carriers' lists of expansion markets?

User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11071 times:

DOn't you think you could pull away, some traffic from CVG, and like CMH, and bloominton, IL to IND with a non-stop to LHR or something?


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11024 times:

For European flights it makes more sense to funel the passengers via the hubs then risk filling a flight out of one gateway.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10902 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
They have Cargolux flying into IND (already or starting soon).

It started. This past friday was the 2nd flight. I waited on the IND parking garage for 45 minutes to take a pic of the 744 but it didn't show up. It came in like 2 hours late. I wasn't prepared to wait in the cold wind quite that long. I'll try again next friday  Smile.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
That would be a joint decision by NW/KL to fly IND-AMS. Do you think the market can support 250+ passengers a day?

According to the Dept of Commerce it can. I think the deal will happen with a good cargo contract and perhaps a deal with a local company or two. The medical industry here will likely be what makes it happen. According to the Cargolux articles that was a big reason that flight started.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

In this day and age of high fuel prices it makes more sense to connect passengers via hubs than to risk the start up costs and to dedicate a plane on a route they may or may not be profitable. The problem with IND is that it is located to close to other hubs that currently offer service to Europe.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 12):
In this day and age of high fuel prices it makes more sense to connect passengers via hubs than to risk the start up costs and to dedicate a plane on a route they may or may not be profitable.

That doesn't really make sense. In a day of high fuel prices the last thing you want to do is fly people further than necessary. When fuel prices are high the best route to fly is a direct route. Why do you think so many carriers (LCCs) are starting so much point to point service? Because that is where the money is. The money is in O&D. There is less fuel consumption. Fewer aircraft operations. Fewer man hours. Better for the customer. Connections only have value when you simply cannot make a profit between city pairs. You just aren't going to fill jets daily between Indianapolis and Biloxi.

Based on the logic of using hubs why offer IND-LGA? Why not just make it IND-DTW-LGA? Because it makes no financial sense to do so when the nonstop route is profitable. Hub only flying will continue to fade with time.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

You are not comparing apples to apples here, you compare domestic we are talking International.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10829 times:

It doesn't matter where it goes. If you can make a profit on the route you fly it. Look at the service out of RDU. Same state as CLT but that didn't stop them from getting the service. And people can't use the excuse that airlines want to fly through their hubs. If that were true then why is it when I do a search on nwa.com for flights from IND-AMS that I get options of flying through DTW, MEM and BOS. Last time I checked Boston wasn't a NW hub. If airlines were so dead set on flying through hubs I'd only have a choice of flying through DTW or MEM.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10821 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 13):
Connections only have value when you simply cannot make a profit between city pairs. You just aren't going to fill jets daily between Indianapolis and Biloxi.

And that is why BOS is an option because they can effectively fill the flight with connections from I don't know IND! And AMS is a hub for KLM that has connections on the other end for this flight. And one thing that BOS has that IND does not is the O/D numbers to fill this flight with out connections if need be.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

You know... all this speculation is really pointless. We aren't going to know anything on this one way or another until 2008 I think. I don't think any carrier regardless of demand will use the current IND facilities for international arrivals. International arrivals here just isn't very good. There is no jetway. And the building is completely detached from the main terminal. Imagine coming home after an 8 hour flight and having to go down those stairs in a driving rain or a bitter cold wind and having some slow clown in front of you just taking his/her sweet time getting down the stairs. Of course you'd have to try and explain to people how to get to this building to pick you up. Not a very good system. Perhaps we can put this discussion on ice for a couple of years. Maybe a bit early if serious talks come up with an airline to start it up sooner.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10814 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 16):
And one thing that BOS has that IND does not is the O/D numbers to fill this flight with out connections if need be.

I've gotten the numbers from the Dept. of Commerce. IND does have the O/D. I honestly didn't think it did but the numbers say otherwise. There is actually quite a bit of travel between Indianapolis (and Indiana) and Europe.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10801 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 17):
Perhaps we can put this discussion on ice for a couple of years. Maybe a bit early if serious talks come up with an airline to start it up sooner.

Well said and I can not agree more with you! Who thought I would say that.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10775 times:

I went to weather.com and looked up the forecast for Hell. Low tonight is supposed to be 32 degrees Big grin . BTW construction on the new terminal is moving along nicely. Framing is supposed to start this summer. The new tower is supposed to go live in April.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9499 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

There are only two companies that really have the strenght to support an international flight out of IND. Eli Lilly and Rolls Royce employee thousands in the area. Eli Lilly doesn't have the international location to support a flight to any specific destination. Rolls Royce has its North American headquarters in Indianapolis and of course is based in the UK. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be enough traffic to pay for a route.

I think the only chance would be Northwest/KLM to AMS. BA, AF, or LH don't really have any reason to fly to IND.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10631 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 21):
I think the only chance would be Northwest/KLM to AMS.

Provided they don't return to hub only flying out of IND I think that will likely be the route that starts up in the future. They are already the largest carrier at IND by a good margin. Offering that route would be a good way to pull away business travelers from US, UA and DL. I wouldn't expect BA, AF or LH to fly the route either. It would be too hard in a market this size to start flying to a city without an existing customer base and expect to fill a jet. That is where NW/KL has the edge.



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10601 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 15):
It doesn't matter where it goes.

Yes it does. A short-haul domestic route flown by a 50-seat regional jet (IND-LGA) isn't the same as a long-haul, high-risk international route (IND-LGW/FRA/CDG/AMS) flown on a 275-seat 777 or A340. There's much more risk involved, with the amount the airline has to invest to get the route started. There's more money to be made on those routes, but more money to be lost, as well.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10583 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 15):
people can't use the excuse that airlines want to fly through their hubs. If that were true then why is it when I do a search on nwa.com for flights from IND-AMS that I get options of flying through DTW, MEM and BOS. Last time I checked Boston wasn't a NW hub.

And then there is Northwest out of Portland (PDX) to Tokyo/Narita.

[Edited 2006-02-26 19:37:57]


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25 Indy : Obviously you aren't going to fly that kind of equipment on a route like this. You may be looking at a smaller jet. Perhaps a KL 767. If it had to be
26 Luv2fly : And is NRT not a HUB for NW?
27 Indy : I think the focus of that statement was directed at PDX and not NRT. But I could be wrong. The thinking being that PDX has international service and
28 LambertMan : Would 2 or 3x a week even justify the cost of operating the route, especially one where the premium traffic would no doubt be weak? Lilly would only
29 Indy : Connections however are a waste of time for business travelers. But I guess the important question for this particular thread would be is there reall
30 Post contains images Stirling :
31 Post contains images LambertMan : So thats why business travelers from Milwaukee, St Louis, Cleveland (most of time), Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Nashville, and Columbus all have those n
32 Indy : Things will change and fuel prices will play a big part in it. I've seen it said all too often on here that the two biggest expenses in the business a
33 Eyeonthesky17 : My instinct tells me that if indeed INDAMS is being looked at by NW/KL, they are probably considering a PrivatAir flight with 48-52 all C class equipm
34 Indy : Pardon my ignorance but what is an SFL? When you look at the number of flights to AMS from DTW, MSP, MEM, BOS, etc I don't think changing one station
35 ChiGB1973 : There is nothing wrong with flying the 752 to most of western Europe from IND. There may be occasional fuel stops. Maybe B6 should grab a few 752s an
36 1MillionFlyer : 2 hours of driving to IND vs. 45 minute flight to ORD with every Euro airline or 1 hour 20 minutes to JFK and massive Non-stops, it's a no brainer, N
37 Boeingguy1 : The diffrences between CLT and IND are huge. CLT is the 2nd largest banking city in the United States... which is more than enough to generate trans-
38 Steeler83 : The last time I checked, business travelers from PIT had to connect in PHL to get to Europe. They would LOVE to have non stop service like PIT-FRA ba
39 N670UW : That's not the point. The point is, a long-haul international flight with a large aircraft with many seats to fill -- whether it's a 767 or an A380 -
40 Eyeonthesky17 : Sorry..... Seat Load Factors. While that might seem true, you are considerably cutting down the amount of feed by originating in IND. I understand th
41 Northwestair : IF we were to start IND-AMS how are we suppose to pay for this route. I mean the last time I checked our Bank account isn't the best inthe industry. A
42 RoseFlyer : US Airways still has quite a few flights and has a loyalty base. US flies to PHX, BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, CLT and PIT along with codesharing to ORD, DEN
43 Post contains images 1MillionFlyer : I think the correct term is Load Factor (Seat load factor is not an industry term. kind of like "finals" on A.net")  [Edited 2006-02-27 01:02:44]
44 Indy : The timing if this happens will work out nicely. It really can't happen until the 2nd half of 2008 because of facilities issues. Alot of the financia
45 ATAIndy : Of course everybody else can go on top of the parking garage and not get in trouble by security, but when I go... I didn't know about the Cargolux se
46 Fedexexpress : Where is the 744 Cargolux parking once on the ground at IND?
47 YOW : I always am amazed at how many large cities in the U.S. do not generate enough demand for flights to Europe compared to say Canada. Cities the size of
48 Galapagapop : This sounds much like the dreaming happening at BDL. Both IND BDL certainly could support daily 757's to a multitude of international destinations, bu
49 Fedexexpress : That is something I don't understand. I know Northwest is in money troubles. But would it not make sense to fly from IND to places like AMS, FRA, LHR
50 Post contains images Indy : Cities like IND can support it. Getting it is another thing. We can in the sense that the numbers are there. The facilities at this time are not. The
51 Lincoln : Not just xxx+ pax per day, but xxx+ pax per day at a decent yield (if they're all deeply-discounted coach there's no reason to fly the route even if
52 Bobnwa : Please don't forget that any IND-AMS sevice would have to be supported mainly by business originating at the European end as are all other Europe to U
53 MasseyBrown : IND-AMS is 3624nm and the 757 range is 3900nm. So AMS is doable and LGW would be easy. I've always thought that cities like IND would be a reasonable
54 RoseFlyer : While the population is relatively high in Indiana, you have to remember that these are some of the poorest cities in the entire country. I have live
55 IADLHR : RoseFlyer Very, very well said. I have some extended family in that part of the country. They are middle class. Still they can not begin to comprehend
56 Indy : According to the Dept of Commerce though there is a great deal of travel between this area and Europe. So the disposable income idea really wouldn't h
57 Luv2fly : Being from the Midwest and having a passport I can tell you this we are not all farmers and have been to the BIG city once or twice!
58 Luv2fly : And one other thing is, that soon USA citizens will need a passport to travel to Mexico, Caribbean and even Canada so even the Midwest will have to ge
59 Cornish : Trying really hard to get a European carrier in - yes they may be trying really hard to attract one. Are they likely to get one - almost certainly no
60 LambertMan : Options, options, options my friends. In St. John's you don't have hubs like ORD, DTW, CVG, ATL or PHL to connect through so easily. You are basicall
61 Indy : With the exception of CVG which I've never been to I would have to drop the "so easily" off the comment. Connecting through those airports stinks. It
62 Fedexexpress : Everyone in my family and there are 7 of us all have our passports, and we fly out of the United States to Europe, and the Caribbean 4 times a year. 2
63 Bobnwa : Where in the above messages did anyone suggest anything like this? Recommend you re-read the whole thread.
64 Post contains images Fedexexpress : Well buddy, I consider myself the middle class as well, and we can quite well comprehend taking a vacation, or business trip to some where other than
65 RoseFlyer : I don't think that either of us were implying that everyone is poor, but I am implying that there aren't that many people that can afford to travel t
66 IndyCanuck : Reasons for IND getting a European Destination: Eli Lilly (Indy) Cummins Engine (Columbus) Rolls Royce (Indy) Dailmer-Chrysler (Kokomo) Indiana Univer
67 N1120A : IND-LGW can happen right now while BUF and BDL are both significantly closer to Europe and can likely get as far as Hamburg. BDL is probably inches f
68 Post contains links IADLHR : A while back, I read somewhere about the percentage of citizens in the midewst that had passports. The figure was lower than even I had expected. It w
69 Tornado82 : Not allowed by law, Bermuda II, you'll have to go to LGW or something. Columbus is a hell of alot more than 2 hours from IND, and even Cincy you'd ha
70 MasseyBrown : Note I said doable, not guaranteed; and the rest of the post suggested summer frequencies. Amazing how negative people are on IND, while cities simil
71 Indy : We have a very large number of people traveling to Mexico and the Carribean from IND. With the passport rules changing I think it is safe to say the n
72 RoseFlyer : I agree that Rolls Royce and Daimler Chrysler are companies that would demand an international flight however neither would really increase demand fo
73 Indy : Actually there is a very good reason to go through a European hub and finish your connection in Europe versus having a connection in the US. The prob
74 AirportPlan : I did international air service marketing for two years working or international recruitment projects at airports around the US. There are dozens of a
75 Indy : AirportPlan... its the traditional and inflexible thinking that allowed the LCCs to move in and cause so many problems for the Legacies. The Legacies
76 Steeler83 : I made almost the exact same statement on another thread regarding US and international service from PIT. PHL has all the international traffic becau
77 Indy : Actually IND set a PAX record last year which broke the PAX record for the previous year. But we didn't have the loss of a hub to have to compensate
78 Tornado82 : PIT is also setting O&D records for each period. It began with FlyI, believe it or not. Total pax through the facility is down of course, with the lo
79 Indy : That is definately good to hear. You hate to see a facility like that get wasted.
80 Luv2fly : I think PIT shows that even if you build a flashy terminal that does not mean it will be filled with International flights!
81 Tornado82 : It was for years after its construction... and with a governor from the right side of the state it would still be today. Alot of politics was involve
82 Indy : If memory serves me correct PIT did have international service until the demise of the US hub. They are now in a rebuilding phase. Give them time.
83 Luv2fly : Like always I agree 110% with you. My point being was that nothing is a for sure in this business and just because you have a new terminal with custo
84 Indy : Agreed. But people need to remember that it only takes 1 flight to get the ball rolling.
85 LambertMan : USAirways executives said that the PIT-FRA route was unprofitable even during the PIT hub days. Lufthansa studied it and concluded that the route was
86 Tornado82 : IND's market is relatively the same size as PIT, right now it's riding a little higher crest of a wave than PIT, but going back through time in the i
87 Indy : I think the reason that it isn't happening right now is that there is no incentive for an airline to do it. Legacy carriers are very stuck in their w
88 Luv2fly : With the exception of the London market it is open skies!
89 Indy : Indianapolis is rapidly growing into one of the largest distribution points in the U.S. They are 2nd in bulk storage only to Memphis and I believe ar
90 Indy : I don't think that is accurate. At least not today. I don't think LH could start FRA-IND without prior approval. Unlike NW who meets the requirements
91 Luv2fly : I am totally accurate.
92 Post contains links Luv2fly : See here. http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressRele...&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en And the part that matters. With European Union Member States the U
93 ERJ170 : hmmm... what about Litchenstein, Andorra, and San Marino? I always liked the little guys best..
94 Luv2fly : And it has been that way since 1994. Under the 1944 Chicago Convention, international civil aviation is currently bound up in a latticework of thousan
95 Post contains links Indy : According to the U.S. Government on Open Skies... "allowing air carriers unlimited access to points in the signatory countries and unlimited access to
96 Post contains links Luv2fly : http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/fs/208.htm Says it all right here though, 1. Free Market Competition No restrictions on international route rights; numb
97 Indy : You may have to dig deeper than just the one liner. Does this mean unlimited access from a certain point to another certain point? From a certain poin
98 Steeler83 : Yep. I believe it was sometime in December 2004. Both the PIT-FRA service and the US hub at PIT became history... Shortly after that, WN anounced ser
99 Indy : If the day comes that a domestic LCC partners up with an international LCC it could. Much like when you take NW to AMS and KL provides the internatio
100 ERJ170 : Grand Bahamas Island?
101 Post contains images Steeler83 : Oh, I meant besides that... I knew that, I thought I mentioned that. Thanks for the correction
102 Stirling : I am wondering why Boeing never came out with a true 757-200ER, or better yet, 757-100ER, maybe a frame or two shorter, same engines, same fuel capaci
103 ERJ170 : I would agree with you whole heartedly.. I believe that Boeing could move one step further and make the 737-800ER version with a 4500nm range.. It wo
104 Fedexexpress : Filling a 767 with cargo in the belly is not a problem trust me. I am a ramp agent at Fedex here at IND we put more cargo on passernger flights each n
105 CentPIT : Yes this is true, however PIT will see international service again. Isn't that the truth! Yes, they did have International service before the demise
106 Steeler83 : Oh yeah, oops. What is wrong with me... Did they eventually go to 4x weekly? Yeah, I have mede several posts about this topic. Bayer employees are tr
107 Scalebuilder : Not necessairly the case. I have flown to both Europe and to the US (on a visa). The hassle is just as big in Europe as it is here. With more recent,
108 CentPIT : I am not sure if it went to 4x weekly but it might have. My father works for Bayer.
109 Steeler83 : I read an article in the Post Gazette last year about air traffic at PIT, and I remember seeing in there that they had only been in service for not e
110 CentPIT : The service was operated with a B732. Hooters Air resumes service on March 17th. The service will be 2X weekly. Mon. and Fri.
111 Steeler83 : Thanks for the updates. I wonder if Myrtle will be the only destination they serve out of PIT... I have always wondered that. They had a much larger
112 Tornado82 : Alot of the Florida routes Hooters runs from ABE they are the only show in town (that doesn't involve a stop in CLT/ATL/etc). PIT has direct service
113 MasseyBrown : I think Lufthansa's FRA-PDX service shows that a hub at the European end will work just as well as a hub at the US end for middle-sized US cities. An
114 Post contains links Indy : Very good post Scale. When you mention geographic orientation are you talking about where these schools are in relation to Indianapolis or are you ta
115 Tornado82 : First off, Purdue is more like a 55-65 minute drive, I've done it more times than I care to admit in the past 6 months. My girlfriend can even make i
116 Hjulicher : I'm going to reply to these quotes first: DCX is headquartered in Auburn Hills, MI (Detroit) All the head execs live in MI, yet DCX has their own jet
117 Post contains links Indy : The drive time listed was provided by Google maps from West Lafayette IN, to IND. The enrollment numbers I gave are the total enrollment numbers for
118 Post contains links Tornado82 : It's pretty easy for Indy to grow that much when they sucked in almost all of Marion County and whatnot which used to be "Unincorporated land." In Pe
119 Ssides : AA's RDU-LGW flight is a guaranteed profit-maker due to a contract with GlaxoSmithKline, which has its US headquarters in Raleigh and its European he
120 Indy : Its no problem. That is what an open debate is all about. Its a good thing. What would the benefit of a 787 over a 767 be?
121 Post contains images Steeler83 : There was an article in today's Pittsburgh Tribune Review that stated that Pittsburgh's economy should turn around starting this year. The city is ad
122 Post contains images Indy : I hope it turns around for Pittsburgh. It seems they have done a great deal over the years to improve their image. They have to shed the steel town im
123 Steeler83 : EXACTLY!!! I heard about that "Indian-noplace." If they are still considered that, then Pittsburgh should be the capital of hinterlandville... Indi's
124 Tornado82 : Like I tried to explain above, that's because of how municipality boundaries are in the respective cities, and state land-charters. The "city" of Pit
125 Scalebuilder : I am unaware of the fact that the City of Indianapolis has "annexed" itself into a population growth rate over the years that seems artificial. I may
126 Steeler83 : Mayor Bob O'connor and County Exec Onorato have a proposal to merge Pittsburgh with Allegheny County's 120-some other municipalities. This HAS TO HAP
127 Post contains images Tornado82 : It's not JUST that which made it grow... but that was an influence as well. It's still growing naturally as well. That 173% figure or whatever it was
128 Nwafflyer : How many fortune 500 co's within 50 miles of IND?
129 Vega : Face facts. If Parker saw an economic advantage for re-starting PIT-FRA services, why would he just not add the 2nd PHL-FRA service this Spring with a
130 Tornado82 : Ummm... we've BEEN in Indy for about 100 posts, and we've never been in Philly for nothing more than a brief blip on the radar. Pittsburgh and Indian
131 Post contains images Scalebuilder : At first I decided to leave the Colts out and just go with the Pacers.....but temptation just got the better of me, and I simply had to include them
132 Post contains images Tornado82 : Haha. Always good to see people who are good sports about it... or should I say gluttons for punishment.
133 Scalebuilder : You need to explain this better, because I do not think many in this forum will comprehend this. OK. So the City of Pittsburgh is losing people and r
134 Post contains images Scalebuilder : Allright....should have left the Colts out. You got me on this one!
135 Indy : I believe the population numbers for Indianapolis include Marion county and what are called the donut counties. That is not influenced by annexation
136 COSPN : The Boundy for Marion County and Indianapolis are the same but you still have lots of crops growing within 20 Miles of downtown...so yes City of Indy
137 PavlovsDog : I wonder if Icelandair would be interested in a subsidized service to IND? Their 757's are a good size for the route and they offer easy connections t
138 Post contains images Indy : I have a family member who would without hesitation book a route like this for the reason you state. I am sure there are many other passengers that b
139 Bobnwa : You are a very busy guy. When do you find time to post?
140 Indy : Actually Bob I don't think its uncommon to find people with day jobs that work FX ramp at night here in Indianapolis. I've known a couple of people t
141 Steeler83 : You essentially hit the nail right on the head... I should have explained that post a little better... People ARE leaving the city and region. The MS
142 Steeler83 : To add onto my post above... People are tending to relocate around the airport, but the overall market, those who are WILLING to fly out of PIT, prima
143 Post contains images CentPIT : I completely agree with you. Some people get way to offended. Bayer has made offers stating how much they are willing to subsidise the route. PHL is
144 Steeler83 : Make that the entire eastern seaboard... BOS, LGA... but PHL is in horrible shape regarding delays. They keep adding service to an airport that is pr
145 Scalebuilder : Quite a comprehensive overview of recent demographic developments in Pittsburgh and surrounding areas. Well...Pittsburgh and Indy in the same boat in
146 Indy : I figure even if I had been in the industry for 30 years there are still things to learn especially since the market is constantly changing. If I'm r
147 Post contains images CentPIT : Well, you just gained my respect! Adding you to the list right now! (Your thinking big deal)
148 Post contains images Indy : Thanks. It makes getting beat by your football team a little less painful
149 Steeler83 : BIN-GO, pal!! The cost of living is low in Pittsburgh as well. It's one of the most affordable cities to live in compared to the top 40 metropolitan
150 Fedexexpress : Indy, you are correct. i work about 6 hours a night. I am the ramp agent for about 5 flights a night that go outbound. Those are LAX, EWR, ORD, IAH. t
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