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LGA Landing Runway?  
User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

I'm connecting to Montreal through LGA in May- and since I have never flown into LGA I'm wondering if there is a preferred no-wind runway for landings? I assume whatever LGA is using needs to be coordinated with JFK, EWR and who knows what else, so maybe there is no such thing.

Thanks- Bruce.

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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

The preferred operation at LGA is to land on 22 and depart on 13. I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.


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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

I've seen landing being done on 4 with take-offs on 13 and I've also seen landings on 22, while take-offs were still done on 13.

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.

I don't think Kennedy is considered the main airport in that sense. That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

Quoting Brucek (Thread starter):
I'm wondering if there is a preferred no-wind runway for landings?

I would assume there would be wind, but I would expect you'd come in from the south and the Manhattan skyline would be on your left. This is the approach that's commonly used to LGA. I know because I can see the planes on this approach from my window, and I see them very often.

Leo.



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User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

It all depends on the winds, day of the week, and season. For example yesterday they were using 31 Expressway visual and then 31 using the localalizer. In the summer months we see 4 being used for arrivals and 13 for departures most of the time. They also were closing 13/31 for construction very often there really isn't one runway they use more then others, although 13 arrivals are extremely rare.

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.

I don't think Kennedy is considered the main airport in that sense. That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

I heard this from a former controller at NY TRACON. It would appear that becuase JFK doesn't use ILS to the 13's that it's "giving way" to LGA and EWR. But its just the logistics of the way the airspace is divided between the three airports. Basically, I don't believe there is a real big ryhme or reason other than winds and perhaps volume of traffic. Im sure there is some compromise between the three so they can best accomodate the level of traffic on any given day.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
I would expect you'd come in from the south and the Manhattan skyline would be on your left.

If LGA is landing runway 4 or 31, expect Manhattan on your left (if you're arriving from the south or west).

If they're landing 22, and departing from 13, you'll fly up the Hudson. If landing 22 and departing 31 then over Brooklyn you'll turn right to 070 heading.


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Currently, LGA is using expwy visual 31 and departing rwy 4. Check this out:
www4.passur.com/lga.html

You can also see JFK and EWR, just change the identifier in the address.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Arrivals on 13 are fairly rare, as are departures from 22. Normally, the configuration is landing on 22 and departing on 13, or landing on 31 and departing on 4. Sometimes, they'll land on 4 and depart on 31. And when the winds are really strong, they'll be forced to put everything onto one runway (dictated by the wind direction, of course).

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
I don't think Kennedy is considered the main airport in that sense. That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

LGA could work around it, since it has runway 13/31. EWR, with only the 4/22s for most of the flights, would be more difficult (particularly if the departures were going off of the 4s).

-Mir



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

Never say never. ILS 13L has been used, it's a pretty site to see the heavies flying straight over Manhattan into 13!



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User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2602 times:

Thanks everyone. Looking forward to flying into this airport with a window seat  Smile

Bruce.


User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
The preferred operation at LGA is to land on 22 and depart on 13. I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.

I am pretty sure that some operations out of LGA are restricted during the US Tennis Open or scheduled so as to get around Flushing Meadows. In a live broadcast a couple of years ago, I heard John McEnroe commenting on this after a noisy flyby that stopped the game for a couple of seconds.

Can anyone confirm this?



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User currently offlineGipper913 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 176 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting Hagic (Reply 10):
I am pretty sure that some operations out of LGA are restricted during the US Tennis Open or scheduled so as to get around Flushing Meadows. In a live broadcast a couple of years ago, I heard John McEnroe commenting on this after a noisy flyby that stopped the game for a couple of seconds.

Can anyone confirm this?

Mayor Dinkins (huge tennis fan, but very bad Mayor) instituted this arrangment during the US Open (though there never is any consideration given to Mets fans as the Jets buzz Shea during games as a matter of course - which is fun foir me, though annoying to some).

As I recall, Rudy Giuliani relaxed the restrictions on the planes, but eventually a compromise was reached where they were kinda, sorta diverted, but not as extensively as during the Dinkins admin.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Isn't that one of the few times LGA uses Rwy 22 for takeoffs-- when something's going on at Shea or the tennis center?

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting Hagic (Reply 10):
I am pretty sure that some operations out of LGA are restricted during the US Tennis Open or scheduled so as to get around Flushing Meadows. In a live broadcast a couple of years ago, I heard John McEnroe commenting on this after a noisy flyby that stopped the game for a couple of seconds.

Can anyone confirm this?

I would say that mnost of today's modern jets and the influx of RJ's at LGA are really not that noisy, especially on approach, but then people find anything to complain about.



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