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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

This may have been discussed before, but does anyone have information or detail knowledge of how airlines go about naming their aircraft? Is there a system in place or is it just random? I know KLM name theirs after famous and influential individuals with great historical significance. SAS seems to go for the great Vikings. In the US it seems uncommon to give aircraft names at all (with the exception of good old Pan Am).

Also, aircraft are mostly named after dead people. Should an aircraft be named after a person, can anyone recall an airliner being named after someone still living?

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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4878 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Quoting Scalebuilder (Thread starter):
I know KLM name theirs after famous and influential individuals with great historical significance.

As well as landmarks. "Golden Gate Bridge" and "Mexico City" come to mind.

YOWza



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

I have seen aircraft from IB being named after geographic places within Spain. Can't seem to figure out how BA decides on how to name theirs. Names they have though.

User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7471 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Quoting Scalebuilder (Thread starter):
Should an aircraft be named after a person, can anyone recall an airliner being named after someone still living?

UA name some of their aircraft (usually temporarilly) after both current employees and customers. Hence:
744 N105UA is 'Rosa Santana Employee' and N180UA is 'Edwin D Fuller Customer'. I believe that currently just over thirty aircraft are named in this way although one, 320 N415UA is simply named 'Ronald A Schy' with no indication as to whether he is a customer oir employee.


User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

LY names it's aircraft after Israeli cities or areas.
The bigger the city is, the bigger aircraft it gets...


User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 4):
LY names it's aircraft after Israeli cities or areas.
The bigger the city is, the bigger aircraft it gets...

Makes a lot of sense to me  Wink .


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2966 times:
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Olympic Airways/Airlines names their planes after Greek Gods, Islands, and maybe cities as well.

LX names theirs after mountain peaks. The A340's and A330's get the highest mountains to their names, and so on down the pecking order.

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

UA used to name their 737's "City of ___________".

N9005U was named "City Of Lincoln".

N9006U was named "City Of Bakersfield".

Don't know when they stopped.

TWA's Constellations were named "Star Of _________".



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
UA name some of their aircraft (usually temporarilly) after both current employees and customers.

Just curious, but need to ask: Any idea of how UA came up with that particular employee or customer? It must be quite an honor to have your name attached to an aircraft - even though just temporarily.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

You oughtta hear what I used to call some of the airplanes I worked on. Why, it ain't fitten for polite company LOL.

User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Names of current KLM a/c:

Fokkers: none
733/734: famous people, all old Dutch scientists and sailors?
738/739: birds. Pre-WW II KLM a/c also had bird names.
744: cities
74F: names of 17th century Dutch East India Company ships
767: bridges
777: Unesco heritage sites, except Albert Plesman who is KLM's founder
MD-11: famous women, all scientists?
A330: city squares.

So, new KLM aircraft are not named after people.
The A330 theme was decided by a competition among frequent fliers. It had to be something making people feel at home.
Names are usually chosen to reflect the 'last one' of the registration.

Peter



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7471 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 8):
Any idea of how UA came up with that particular employee or customer? It must be quite an honor to have your name attached to an aircraft - even though just temporarily.

I guess the employees get chosen through something like an employee of the month competition. Perhaps a customer gets chosen by being the most frequent flyer. Perhaps someone working for UA knows iif this is correct?


User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
I guess the employees get chosen through something like an employee of the month competition. Perhaps a customer gets chosen by being the most frequent flyer.

This is a fantastic way to recognize both employee effort as well as customer loyalty. I wonder if either of them know that they are being recognized. Would love for a UA employee to confirm how all of this works.


User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Slightly off-topic, but I didn't want to waste a thread on it..

Does anyone know of Runways being named - other than the Polderbaan at AMS ??
When I heard of it first, I was surprised a runway had been named. Just curious if there are any more in the world? like a MLK or LBJ Airway or something  Smile



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4878 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 10):
all scientists?

not all
Ingrid Bergman and Mother Theresa come to mind.

YOWza



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 12):
This is a fantastic way to recognize both employee effort as well as customer loyalty

I disagree, the pax especially make for horrible names. Imagine the Titanic having been named Passenger John Smith.  biggrin 

YOWza, you're right about the MD-11 ladies of course.



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User currently offlineDC10BHX From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

I am surprised that no-one has thought to mention the VS 747 which was named after Sir Freddie Laker. (Spirit of Sir Freddie I think). Obviously this was when the man himself was still around. Sad to think that this pioneer of cheaper air travel is no longer with us.

On a different matter I believe that UA use a random draw for naming their Airframes. For customers it is frequent flyers and for Employees it is staff who are nominated for exceptional service.

IIRC BCal used to name their airframes after mountains and lakes in Scotland.



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User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Hi Scoliodon,

Quoting Scoliodon (Reply 13):
Slightly off-topic, but I didn't want to waste a thread on it..

Does anyone know of Runways being named - other than the Polderbaan at AMS ??
When I heard of it first, I was surprised a runway had been named. Just curious if there are any more in the world? like a MLK or LBJ Airway or something

I assume this is not an official name, but just a descriptive term locals and probably also airport employees have assigned to that specific runway, as it just means "the runway built on the polder". Fyi, land reclaimed from the sea and drained with a system of ditches is called polder in Dutch.

Local "names" for runways exist at other airports as well, e.g.

FRA Frankfurt: The East-West runway that faced heavy political opposition in its planning phase had unanimously been dubbed "Startbahn West" by media, officials, locals and environmentalists before the first meter of concrete was laid down. Nobody talked about "runway 16/34" during the sometimes violent decision-taking and construction phases! Since those days, the name has stuck with the runway. A propos Frankfurt: I recall that the speaker on the public observation deck kept announcing take-offs and landings on the older, parallel runway using nothing but the terms Nordbahn, and Südbahn respectively (Northern / Southern runway)

ZRH Zurich: In my hometurf, the general public has given "nicknames" to all three active runways ("Piste" in Swiss German). Even airport staff sometimes use these terms when it's not something official like radio communications with crew etc. These nicks are:
- Runway 10/28: "Westpiste" when 28 in use, "Bisenpiste" when 10 in use (Bise = Cold Northerly wind usually blowing on the few days when 10 is active)
- Runway 14/32: As 14 is used 90% of the time for landings, and just about 10% of the time 32 is used for take-offs (Sat, Sun morning), the runway is simply called "Blindlandepiste" (blind landings because this was the first ZRH runway with Cat III ILS). Some older airport workers sometimes also call it V-Piste, because it has a high-speed taxyway exiting it about 3/4 down the landing roll, angling off at a 30° angle.
- Runway 16/34: When 16 is in use, the general public has actually adopted the official term and calls it "ds Sechzehni" which means nothing else than "the 16". As a relatively new term, referring to the politically controversial procedure when 34 is in use for landings on Sat/Sun mornings, we now also start to hear the term "Südanflugpiste" (Southern approach runway) for 16/34.

I'm sure there are many more local terms for runways which you'll just hear when chatting with the locals...

Cheers, Lukas


User currently offlineBritannia191A From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

British Airtours named their 737 family fleet with name of birds such as Kingfisher and rivers such as River Swale

User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

The older runways in AMS also have names. They refer to the areas under the flightpaths. These may have been invented by locals but they are quite official now.

06-24 Kaagbaan
09-27 Buitenveldertbaan, aka 'Bulderbaan' ('Roar Runway')
18L-36R Aalsmeerbaan
18C-36C Zwanenburgbaan
18R-36L Polderbaan

The Polderbaan name for the new runway was chosen in a public competition, I believe the winner was on the ceremonial first flight. The whole of AMS is in a polder, so the name does not make much sense. However, it suggests that the flightpath is all uninhabited farmland. Also, the phrase 'poldermodel' stands for something like 'progress through harmonious collaboriation, not conflict'.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 1):
can anyone recall an airliner being named after someone still living?

Transavia did. Soccer star Johan Cruyff and cycling champion Leontien van Moorsel amongst others.



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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 15):
Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 12):
This is a fantastic way to recognize both employee effort as well as customer loyalty

I disagree, the pax especially make for horrible names. Imagine the Titanic having been named Passenger John Smith.

Probably that's why the names are only temporary - perhaps only long enough to take a photo to send to the person named.  Smile
Speaking of horrible names - how do you pronounce yours?  sarcastic 


User currently offlineScoliodon From India, joined Oct 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Thanks a lot Lukas and Ptrjong...

Interesting information on the Zurich runways too..



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 20):
Speaking of horrible names - how do you pronounce yours?

Just Peter.
John, I chose that as just a login name for uploading and I find it awkward that I have to use it now that I joined the forums.  banghead 
If you can help me changing it for once, please!!

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 20):
Probably that's why the names are only temporary

You shouldn't change the names of your ships.



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User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 19):
Quoting YOWza (Reply 1):
can anyone recall an airliner being named after someone still living?

Transavia did. Soccer star Johan Cruyff and cycling champion Leontien van Moorsel amongst others.

And MP, who have named their aircraft after the Dutch royalty


User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting Vunz (Reply 23):
And MP, who have named their aircraft after the Dutch royalty

Oh yeah, Martinair's scruffy Prince So-and-so names.
But royals are often excepted in this matter. Think of the liner QE II.

Do you still like your user name by the way?



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25 Scalebuilder : Do you know anything about how BA goes about naming their aircraft? I have seen these named after cities, but also after what appear to be people (fa
26 Ptrjong : They simply pick a theme for each new aircraft type.
27 Argonaut : At the risk of wandering a little off topic: FYI, the liner Queen Elizabeth 2 was not named after the monarch. It was called after the first "Queen E
28 Post contains images LTU932 : Not all aircraft have such names. For example, the MD-11s don't have names except for PH-MCU, the one with the flower scheme, which was named after P
29 YOWza : What ever happend to that eBay acution for the naming right to a Virgin Atlantic 340? YOWza
30 Post contains links and images Ptrjong : View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter de Jong Well, this one is named after him. This is the crown prince's title. Well, there must be hundreds of
31 VV701 : With aircraft in their Landor (old) colour scheme British Airways used the following names: BAC 1-11 - British Counties - e.g. G-AVML 'County of Surr
32 Scalebuilder : That was just one incredible and honorable act. I admire companies that just don't make history soon to be forgotten, but take it upon themselves to
33 Bohica : I remember an unofficial naming of a UA A320. After bankruptcy, UA cancelled all retirement parties. A group of mechanics decided to hold their own pa
34 Scalebuilder : VV701: Thanks for a comprehensive and informative post. I have flown with BA quite a bit over the past years. Always seem to remember that every aircr
35 SafetyDude : I know of a UA customer who was merely informed that UA was going to name a plane after him. He was rather confused yet intrigued about it. I haven't
36 Scalebuilder : Please share if you can when you do find out. I would be really interested in finding out "why me?".
37 TK787 : TK A310's are named after Turkish rivers: Aras, Coruh, Ergene, Aksu, Goksu Except for the Cargo one: Samsun and the one that came from KTHY: Lefkosa
38 LTU932 : Thanks! I stand corrected. I completely forgot that Prins van Oranje was his official title, hence the confusion on my side.
39 Aseem : How can anybody forget AI in this discussion. They've named each and every aircraft they've ever had, even those on lease. B747 after Maharajas (Kings
40 Post contains images Aseem : when it comes to BA, my personal favourite G-BUSH cheers!! VT-ASJ
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