Juventus From United States, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 4 Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1348 times:
I've notice the lack of Latin Airlines at ORD and SFO; except for Mexican airlines, there is almost no Latin American presence at all in these two major cities with large Hispanic populations. Anybody want to speculate as to which Latin airline might launch services to one of these two cities? Is it that AA and UA have Latin America well covered from these two ports?
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3510 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
Didn't TA fly to ORD?, I belive they still do to SFO.
The Latinamerican airline most likely to start flying to both SFO and ORD could be CM.
Comments about ORD: Since AV is to re-start LAX, I would expect them to be at least studying a possible BOG-ORD rightnow. Same goes for LA. If TAM does well in NYC they could aslo be looking @ ORD.
Comments about SFO: Other than CM, I don't think SFO is on any Latinamerican airline rightnow; and CM may be looking at SJC or OAK instead of SFO.
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1318 times:
CM seems like the logical choice, especially for SFO. A 737 would be all they would need to fill up each day, and because of the connection opportunities that exist at PTY, I believe it would fill up quite positively. Obviously, it would be nice to see a RG or LA move in to SFO, but I don't see that happening. CM would be the best bet,followed by some expansion by TA, either to SJO or GUA.
AS739X From United States, joined Apr 2003, 4390 posts, RR: 30 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
2travel2know, thought I'd like to agree of the idea of Copa at SFO, I don't see it. The fleet of 737's don't have the legs. PTY-LAX is the longest 737 route, if I rememebr correct, and going on to SFO would stretch it an hour.
PTY-LAX 7 hours
PTY-SFO 8 hours 10 minutes or so. The 73G just can;t do it.
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2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3510 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
Quoting AS739X (Reply 3): 2travel2know, thought I'd like to agree of the idea of Copa at SFO, I don't see it. The fleet of 737's don't have the legs. PTY-LAX is the longest 737 route, if I rememebr correct, and going on to SFO would stretch it an hour.
PTY-LAX 7 hours
PTY-SFO 8 hours 10 minutes or so. The 73G just can;t do it.
Here are some numbers:
SFO (37°37'08"N 122°22'30"W) PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 5342 km
PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) EZE (34°49'20"S 58°32'09"W) 5331 km
PTY-SFO is 11Km longer than PTY-EZE, currently PTY-EZE is CM longest flight. PTY-SFO is still within B737-700 range.
AS739X From United States, joined Apr 2003, 4390 posts, RR: 30 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1279 times:
Very well could be! Let's not forget that direct line is different then flight plans. I'm not arguing with you that the 737 can not make it, I'm saying my opinion is that will stretch it damn long going into an airport with bad ATC problems when weathers down. Also, would SFO be profitable enough to utilze and A/C on that long of a flight. I would sure love to see CM at SFO though.
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1258 times:
More TA at SFO would be awesome. I would really like to see some service to either SJO or GUA. Does TA still have the MGA-LAX n/s flights and the GUA-LAX flights? I would think that SFO could sustain some more Central American service. SJO would be awesome. Seeing CM at SFO would make my day though. My fav airline at my home airport.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12243 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1216 times:
Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7): More TA at SFO would be awesome. I would really like to see some service to either SJO or GUA.
TA doesn't fly to SFO from SJO? Damn, I remember that old LR used to fly to SFO. Anyway, I guess there might be a market. SFO isn't unknown in SJO, so it could be a possible destination.
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Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
I remember when LR flew the route back in the day, but nowadays, it is a one-stopper in San Salvador. I would think that SJO would be a larger market than San Salvador, but there do seem to be alot of Salvadoreans in the Bay Area.
Thomasphoto60 From United States, joined Jan 2000, 3325 posts, RR: 31 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
Dreamflight767 From United States, joined Dec 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1143 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8): Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):
More TA at SFO would be awesome. I would really like to see some service to either SJO or GUA.
TA doesn't fly to SFO from SJO? Damn, I remember that old LR used to fly to SFO. Anyway, I guess there might be a market. SFO isn't unknown in SJO, so it could be a possible destination.
TA still flies SFO-SJO, just not everyday. TA 560/561 & 563/564. Both flights leave within only about an hour of each other. TA 563/564 originates and terminates in SJO (via El Salvador), 560/561 (the daily flight) orginiates and terminates in El Salvador.
We also get two Mexicana flights a day but I can't keep track of where they serve from SFO, I seem to remember seeing lots of destinations. Plus, Mexciana is the only international carrier that serves all the Bay Area major airports (SFO, OAK, SJC, and SMF) so more SFO expansion is not likely.
As for other Central American carries to SFO, I'm not too sure that will happen anytime soon. UA and AS have a good grasp on Mexico service and UA flies GUA and SJO from LAX. Additionally, Aeromexico will start to service to several other central California airports so service to the Bay Area isn't a big priority right now (I don't think). Copa would be nice, but if they only serve LAX once a day, I guess they find that sufficient enough, no need for another California destination.
South American airlines also seem to prefer LAX too, I guess there is just a bigger population for them to serve with plenty of connection opportunities.
On that note, I remember when TAESA used to fly into OAK.
Actually if I'm not mistaken, UA has axed all service to SJO. The only service they have to Costa Rica is I believe their ORD-LIR flight, which is flown on weekends.
Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 13): TA still flies SFO-SJO, just not everyday. TA 560/561 & 563/564. Both flights leave within only about an hour of each other. TA 563/564 originates and terminates in SJO (via El Salvador), 560/561 (the daily flight) orginiates and terminates in El Salvador.
Ah OK, thanks! I almost thought that service was axed.
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Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1096 times:
LTU- I was talking about nonstop service to SJO, I was aware of the direct service via San Salvador. I hope TA expands now that it is a codeshare partner of UA.
Stealth777 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 316 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1080 times:
not sure if this belongs in this thread or the thread about the TA/UA codeshare.
But I do remember that the TA flight was a daily flight to SJO with a one-stop in SAL. However on some days they did operate a 2nd flight that left 5 or 10 mins after the first. when I was a travel consultant for 5 yrs i can tell you that if you did not book these flights months in advance good luck trying to get a seat, especially around the holidays.
but back to what i was getting at. TA currently flies into the A-gates. But since they are going to be starting a code-share with UA, do you think they would move over to the G-gates. ( I call this side the Star Alliance Int'l terminal because it seems to have only the star carriers in there or ones with code-share with UA ,Air China would be an example). And if they moved over to the G-gates I'd assume there might be enough space for the evening Asian flights plus the one to two flights by TA to fit into all the G-gates. For those that are familiar with SFO Int'l terminal, would it make sense to move them to the G-gates or keep them in the less crowded A-gates?
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12243 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1064 times:
Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 16): LTU- I was talking about nonstop service to SJO, I was aware of the direct service via San Salvador. I hope TA expands now that it is a codeshare partner of UA.
I got a little confused here but now I see what you mean; I misquoted you there and didn't read. Sorry about the confusion on my part. I checked my timetable and noticed that the old LR SJO-SFO flight, which was LR690, was routed SJO-SAL-GUA-SFO, served with either 732s or A320s.
However I do agree that if CM would expand into SFO, it would be great! I love CM and would love to fly with them sometime again.
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AS739X From United States, joined Apr 2003, 4390 posts, RR: 30 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1055 times:
Stealth...they could move, but its really not that much of a factor. Their ticket counter is really almost in the middle. There were many time with MX in Star that they used the A-side. The G-side is not really that crowded at night anyhow.
ASLAX
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RICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 36 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 909 times:
It has to be a Central American or a Mexican airline. The population of South Americans in Chicago is not enough to have a service from a South American airline and the level of business is handled basically with companies in NY..
I have seen a RG DC10-30 during winter of 1992, but do not know if it was a regular flight or a charter.
GRU-ORD was regular for RG for a period of time during the 90s.
RG serve more cities than any other Southamerican carrier to USA, serving JFK-MIA-LAX-ATL-IAD-ORD & MCO (SFO?)
I do not see in a short period of time any Latin Airline (Except Mexican) serving SFO.
ORD could be a good point to conect with UA flights if any airline could make a codeshare agreement with them, but no Latin Airline (another from RG) was invited to be on Staralliance, so that it is not easy.
27 Dreamflight767: Here is what I think: And what I mean by that is their new service to SCK. I think FAT and PSP are new destination for them too. (Can't remember thou
28 Oakjam: Hello all: The problem with SFO is weather delays; and price the airlines pay to land there. Since Oakland and San Jose are cheaper, all of the flight
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