The gist of it is that a flight, a Virgin Atlantic 747, hit severe turbulence en route to LAS. A flight attendant reportedly screamed, "We'll Crash! We'll Crash," thus causing a panic on the flight. Check out the link for more details. Heads are gonna roll over this one...
Stealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 31665 times:
read the article but didnt state if the plane landed somewhere on the east coast or if it continued all the way to Vegas. If it occurred three hours into the flight would it not have returned back to LGW or at least continued to the nearest airport to have the plane checked over. Sounds like it was a hellish ride and experience for some if not all. Just surprised if the flight continued all the way to Vegas without a diversion.
UAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 31620 times:
Apparently it did continue all the way according to the Independent out of GB. I would think it would have been diverted, too. I agree, though, pax. accounts leave a lot to imagination. Anybody know of similar reports of turbulence on other airlines yesterday? Haven't heard any as of yet...
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6138 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 31417 times:
As far as she throwing a box of barf bags to the passengers, well, under the circumstances you could not really expect her to get up and graciously attend to each passenger individually. Throwing the box was a good idea given the reported severity of the turbulence.
I find it hard to believe she would have lost it like the reports say she did. These are trained professionals, and with the hundreds of hours of flight they put every year, you can pretty much expect them to have such encounters with turbulence with a certain regularity. While no one ever gets used to severe turbulence, I don't think its enough to throw a cabin crew member into a panic like that.
I've had three encounters with severe turbulence in my life. Twice in a 732 and once in a 742 and not once have I seen or heard a cabin crew member lose it. If anything, after the event, I've seen them as busy as ever, going around the cabin, checking the injured and serving sodas or juice to those who were sick. Which turns out happens to a great many, I'm surprised to say.
"Even though the fasten your seat belt sign may be turned off, please remain with your seat belt fastened during while in your seat" Why people just don't listen?
Superhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 31392 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 4): I find it hard to believe she would have lost it like the reports say she did. These are trained professionals, and with the hundreds of hours of flight they put every year, you can pretty much expect them to have such encounters with turbulence with a certain regularity. While no one ever gets used to severe turbulence, I don't think its enough to throw a cabin crew member into a panic like that.
Well..It's Virgin - AS inexperienced as the name suggests!
Mudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31173 times:
Quoting HBJZA (Reply 6): Impossible to train people until facing the reality ! Even though airlines train F/A's to all possible situation it's still some kind of acting and in a mock-up !
I agree, try training for combat! Soldiers are trained in learning how to react and think in the worse environment known to man, but they are still human. No matter how hard you train, you never know how you will respond until that moment you think your life is about to end!!! You just hope and pray your training gets you through it!!! Same goes for anyone else whose profession can occasionally place them in harms way.
Jumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 31032 times:
You know, I don't think they probably took this young lady up in a real plane with 300 other young ladies and put them through the "paces". Dutch rolls, touch and goes, mock severe turbulence as only a crew can do when asked.
"Back in my day" you were rolled out of bed at 4AM, thrown into a Boeing 707 and you spent a couple of hours having the "beejesus" scared out of you so you'd know what to expect.
While I believe this young lady will probably never grace the inside of a jet again, I do not blame her for her actions.
I remember one time when a Frontier F/A from Denver rode with us over the Atlantic. She was having a hard time falling asleep until we hit some turbulence. I swear she fell into a deep sleep the minute we were ordered down. I figured she was used to it since she flew over the rockies daily.
Nyskymasters From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 30468 times:
The whole article sounds rather "colorful" (as in embellished) to me. I don't doubt that the turbulence was probably that bad knowing first hand what the ride can be like over the Atlantic in the winter. But as to the screaming flight attendant...
If she did do this then her days are probably numbered.
Mich From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 30355 times:
F/A's are trained professionals....
So they are excused from having feeling and forbidden from showing it.
Without sounding too harsh f/a's are airborn waitresses with no specific skills other then people ability and can use a microwave. Some have a decent memory being able to go through the safety show before each flight.
The real stars of the show are the flight deck and ground crew/mechanics.
Anything more then that you are trying to justify the 500-1000$ an hour seat you are sitting in.
From a beech1900 to a 744 all f/a have been courteous and a credit to their profession in my experience but the "we'll crash" statement is not a surpise nor unexpected
Ben330NWA From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 36 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29920 times:
I am a flight attendant, currently on furlough status, and have been through some pretty severe turbulence. One incident comes to mind, 23DEC02. We were about an hour or so out of DTW on an A320 on our way to PDX, when we hit some normal turbulence, about code 2. We the cabin crew continued our service as normal as we usually encounter these types of bumps on every flight. About halfway through the back of the cabin the turbulence got severe. It was code 6 or code 5 for pilots, it remained this way for about 45-50 mins. We couldn't even get our service carts out of the aisle, and pax had to hold us down a few times because we couldn't run back to our jumpseats or take an empty seat as there were none. When we finally had a little break in the bumps, my co-worker and I brought our carts back to the galley, but the bumps started again, we had enough time to strap ourselves in the jumpseat before going through another round of code 6 for 20 mins. That's when the worst happened. The service cart that we didn't have time to secure, flew up and fell on me and broke my leg. The whole time that plane was just making the worst noises, it sounded like it was just going to snap in half. I was thinking, this is pretty much it, I'm dead 2 days before Christmas. But never once did I show that on my face, not even when my leg was broke and the pain was killing me. The thing is once you (the FA) freak out, that's it, you have 148 people freakin out with you and that ain't fun. Of course I was screaming bloody hell when they got me off the plane in PDX though!
Rotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29657 times:
"Loads of people were being sick and when someone shouted at the stewardess for more sick bags, she picked up a dozen and threw them across the cabin.
"It was raining sick bags. The aircraft was in chaos.
Quoting Ben330NWA (Reply 15): Of course I was screaming bloody hell when they got me off the plane in PDX though!
If my rough math is correct, the flight pressed on another 1:30-2:00 to PDX with you incapacitated and in great pain from a broken leg? I would have though that they'd have dropped into MSP, or some other NWA station along the way...
Richie87 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29315 times:
Sounds like a pretty wild ride in any event... but then- I remember reading the book from some years past called "Unfriendly skies", by the mysterious "Captain X", who wrote of various degrees of turbulence. He indicated that nobody had really been through severe turbulence and talked about it later, because nobody survived SEVERE turbulence. Hmmmm.
Thanks all, I appreciate that. But I was merely just doing my job. Even though many of my peers, especially in the US, hate to admit that we're there for service, it goes beyond that. I had kids and elderly pax looking at me, who only traveled maybe once a year. I wasn't about to make a horrible situation worse by screaming bloody murder. Instead whenever someone wanted to come to the back of the A/C and chat or hand me a sickness bag, I'd smile, make some small talk, and when they left close the curtain and SILENTLY scream my head off till we landed in PDX.
Willo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 29215 times:
Quoting Mich (Reply 13): Without sounding too harsh f/a's are airborn waitresses with no specific skills other then people ability and can use a microwave
That is probably one of the most banal statements I have read here. I just hope you never have the need of the services of one of these "microwave dollies" to get you out a plane in a hurry. I guess you've forgotten the Toronto incident already?
: I guess that there are reasons why they're not the "World's Favourite Airline."
: To quote Mich: "Without sounding too harsh f/a's are airborn waitresses with no specific skills other then people ability and can use a microwave. Som
: Yes this was an issue that my crew brought back to the pilots, who were completely busy with the A/C at the time. When NWA found out that it was an e
: How someone reacts during a panic situation is not based on how much training they have it is their mental state at the time of the occurance and thei
: Exactly. I find it hard to believe someone who flies for a living would come out with such a statement....but then this is the Daily Mirror, and the
: I don't think any of us can really know how we will react in a time like that. It is easy to say that a true professional would stay calm, but you nev
: Instead of a Christmas card, you probably should have sent them a copy of the X-ray of your broken leg...
: My stepmom was working a flight from Frankfurt to Houston and while over Little Rock they hit severe clear air turbulence which pitched the wings 45
: No, a true professional would'nt have screamed "we'll crash, we'll crash". Sure we are all human, but she's in the wrong job if she really did do tha
: I do not understand why, if the turbulence was so severe, the pilots kept the aircraft at the same altitude rather than utilizing PIREPs from aircraft
: I have a scar on my right ear from getting my head smashed by a flying cart when our Zambia Airways 737-200 tried to penatrate a thunderstorm over the
: Rediculous. On a trip to SEA from LHR, (well I visited Seattle too, and the boeing everett plant. didnt just stay in the airport) on the return journ
: Even the "World's Favourite Airline" is not the "World's Favourite Airline" anymore...
: I believe I said that she was wrong for saying that!!!!!
: A true professional. (Sorry, I thought this part expressed it better )
: I have been to "almost" severe turbulence and been involved in 2 emergency landing situations, the crew have been fantastic... The first time I had an
: Glad everyone made it through! Coming from a still nervous flyer, passengers on aircraft look to F/A's to sense if anything is indeed wrong! If the F/